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Aug 08 2011, 19:01:46 Meaning of Latin text

My Latin is rusty to say the least and I'm trying to find out what the next line says "Georgius Culpin filius Henrici Culpin de Ketton in Com Rutland pastor ovium po: se appren will. Claxton extra Bippsgate pro 7 ann a die dat &c."
I'm guessing it means "George Culpin son of Henry Culpin from Ketton in Rutland had his will approved (or his will was approved after his death?) at Claxton without Bishops gate" but after that I'm lost. Can someone help me translate? It's a quote from 'Records of the Worshipful Company of Carpenters: Volume I: Apprentices' Entry Books 1654-1694'.
And while I'm at it: Worshipful Company of Carpenters? Does anyone have more information on these carpenters?

elluhn1

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Aug 22, 2011 16:14:45

George Culpin, son of Henry Culpin of Ketton, Rutland, shepherd [i.e. Henry was the shepherd, not George], binds himself apprentice to William Claxton, Bishopsgate Without [a ward of the City of London].

The Worshipful Company of Carpenters was one of the London Livery Companies; you should be able to find information about it in the Encyclopaedia of London, or even (dare I say this?) on Wikipedia.

Chris Lewis
Aug 25, 2011 11:32:16

You asked the meaning of
"Georgius Culpin filius Henrici Culpin de Ketton in Com Rutland pastor ovium po: se appren will. Claxton extra Bippsgate pro 7 ann a die dat &c."

If the abbreviations are expanded, you have
"Georgius Culpin filius Henrici Culpin de Ketton in Comitatu Rutland pastoris ovium ponit [or posuit] se apprenticium Willielmo Claxton extra Bishop[p]sgate pro septem annos a die data etc"

This translates as
"George Culpin, son of Henry Culpin of Ketton in the County of Rutland, shepherd, places [or placed] himself as an apprentice to William Claxton of Bishopsgate Without for seven years from the date given [above] etc."

Bishopsgate is one of the wards of the city of London, which is divided into the two sides of Within [the walls] and Without.
If you go to Google Books, and input "Worshipful Company of Carpenters", you will find several histories of this livery company of the city of London.

Auscultor
Sep 2, 2011 03:12:52

elluhn1,

The clue (I think) is that your source is the Apprentices' Entry Books.

I'd read: "George Culpin, shepherd {pastor ovium}, and son of Henry Culpin of Ketton in the County of Rutland, binds himself {po[nit] se} apprentice to William Claxton, Without Bishopsgate, for seven years {pro septem ann[os]} from the day given in this indenture (a die dat[a]} etcetera".

This looks formulaic + + ; so the editors of the Entry Books should have explained it (or something very like it) in their introduction or footnotes.

You will have guessed by now that this isn't really my field; but my version will at least get you started.

Robin Adams
02 September 2011

RBdRAdams

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