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November 1689

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'Minute Book: November 1689', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 9: 1689-1692 (1931), pp. 61-70. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=104769 Date accessed: 01 August 2014.


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November 1689

Nov. 1. Present : Earl of Monmouth, Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Col. Birch to attend to-morrow afternoon about the proposal from Sir Vere Vane et al.
The Chamberlain of the city [of London], Sir William Ashurst, Sir Francis Child and Mr. Evance to attend on Tuesday morning next.
Alderman Duncomb and Mr. Hoar to attend on Tuesday afternoon about Mr. Neale.
Mr. Freckleton and Mr. Smithsby to attend on Tuesday afternoon on Mr. Harbord's letter of Oct. 24 from Dundalk.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 135.]
Nov. 2. Present : the King, all my Lords, the Lord President, Lord Privy Seal, Earl of Shrewsbury, Earl of Nottingham, Mr. Russell, Earl of Torrington, Earl of Carbery, Sir Jo. Chichley, Sir Tho. Lee, Sir John Lowther.
Ordered that the Victuallers do not fail to attend the King to-morrow afternoon.
[Ibid, p. 136.]
Nov. 3. Present : ut supra.
The Victuallers were called in and are asked what provisions there are now in the King's stores. They answered they could not particularly say what quantity there is. Being asked whether or no they have enough for the present service lately ordered they answered they had not and that pork was the species most wanted and some beef, but that in 21 days they should have enough and they were now slaughtering in order to it.
They were asked how they had employed the 5,000l. paid the last week. They answered it lay in the Exchequer, but that they had since contracted for three times the value of that sum for provisions upon their own personal promise of payment.
Being asked when the West India fleet should [would] be victualled, they answered they were not prepared [to say], but to-morrow they should be able to make particular answer to it ; and also to tell in what time the other services should be performed.
"Being asked how there came to be Gauls in the provisions Sir Jo. Parsons answer'd that one William Parsons comeing from Spain haveing taken in salt for ballast and lading several baggs of Gauls, the ratts eat holes in the baggs and some Gauls falling amongst the salt in the putting up the beef and pork the custom is to every lare [layer] of victuals they throw in a shovell full of salt ; that when the barrell is open'd the Gauls will swimm at the topp : and this he conceives was the occasion of it, but that those Gauls are not poyson."
Sir Jo. Parsons, Alderman Sturt and Mr. Fenn withdrew into the next room and brought in a paper written by Sir John Parsons in these words : "for what ships are in the River that wee have a warrant for victualling for either the Channel, Mediterranean or the West Indies [these] will be victualled within ten days, wee meaning all the victualls sent from our Office : and by letter from Mr. Adise at Plymouth of the 30th of October [he] advises us that he is now victualling that fleet and will be despatch'd as soon as wind and weather will permitt ; and by letter from Sir Richard Haddock of the 30th of October [he informs] that he hopes to victuall all the fleet now under victualling in Portsmouth within 14 days if the beer can come to him that now lyes in [the] Downs."
[Ibid, pp. 137-8.]
Nov. 5. Present : the King, all my Lords, Earl of Shrewsbury, Earl of Nottingham, Mr. Russell, Earl of Torrington, Earl of Carbery, Sir Jo. Chichley, Sir Tho. Lee, Sir John Lowther.
Sir H. Johnson and partners called in and are required to name the other two persons they will propose to be joined with them in the managing the victualling of the fleet ; and to deliver in their proposal to the King in Council on Thursday next.
Sir Jo. Parsons, Mr. Sturt and Mr. Fenn called in and ordered to perfect their proposal sent in on Saturday last without any names to it, but since owned by them ; and to name the persons they propose to be joined with them ; and to deliver it to the King in Council on Thursday next. And they were ordered to give in a particular account of the debt of 97,000l. claimed by them [viz.] to whom it is due and for what goods. This they are to despatch with all the haste they can.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 139.]
Nov. 6.
Kensington House.
Present : the King and all my Lords.
Sir Christopher Wrenn to attend on Friday afternoon next upon his memorial of the 5th inst.
Ordered by the King that all such persons as have any of their Majesties' plate upon delivery from the Jewel House and refuse to return the same be forthwith proceeded with : and that such who pretend to keep any upon account do forthwith return answer upon what account they pretend to keep same.
The Wine Licences Commissioners to attend on Friday afternoon next and bring their patent with them.
[Ibid, p. 140.]
Nov. 8.
Treasury Chambers, Whitehall.
Present : all my Lords, Earl of Portland, Earl of Marlborough, Visct. Lumley, Lord Sydney.
A committee appointed by the King in Council for the regulation of the Musters, of the [Regimental] Agents and of the clothing and payments of the Army ; [viz.] by two Orders of Council of Oct. 21 ult. and the 7th inst. respectively.
A penalty to be laid upon every person that shall be found contributing to a false certificate of any soldier pretended to be sick or absent.
A penalty to be laid upon the officers that make false musters and upon such as sign the [false] muster rolls as also upon the person that is falsely mustered : and a good reward to persons discovering false musters for a person not being a soldier : the reward to be paid by the sheriff of the [particular] county and to be allowed upon said sheriff's accounts, and if a soldier [then his reward] to be paid by the Commissary of the Musters.
The Mayor or other chief magistrate or officer of the town where the soldiers are quartered is to be present at each muster ; with a penalty for refusal to attend.
The next Justice of Peace to be empowered to commit to a house of correction for — months' hard labour falsely mustered persons upon the oath of a witness (if the person that is falsely mustered be no soldier) or upon the certificate of the officer commanding in chief at the muster or of the Commissary of the Musters (if the falsely mustered person be a soldier).
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 141.]
Nov. 9. Present : Lord Delamere, Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Write the Customs Commissioners to send word by this night's post to the collectors at Chester and Liverpool to pay (or give credit) to Mr. Greenhill any sum up to 1,500l. On said Greenhill's drawing bills on Mr. James Herriott, goldsmith at the Naked Boy in Fleet Street, the latter shall (by my Lords) be enabled to comply therewith. Of this sum 1,000l. is for seven days' provisions more for the Danes in their transportation from Scotland to Ireland. The other 500l. is to be paid to the masters of the [transport] ships, upon account.
The Wine Licence Commissioners called in ; and it being proposed that two persons more be added to the Commission the Commissioners consented to it at the salary of 200l. per an., provided there be money sufficient to comply with the covenants of their contract.
Write the Customs Commissioners for one or two of them to attend the Committee for Irish Affairs this afternoon upon the said Commissioners' presentment relating to a late order in Council touching the transportation of several commodities to Ireland.
[Ibid, p. 142.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 122.]
Nov. 10. Present : as under Nov. 2, supra, p. 62.
The King ordered the Lords here present to meet here on Thursday next at five o'clock to consider of five fit persons to be presented to his Majesty as Commissioners for Victualling the Navy.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 143.]
Nov. 11. Present : Earl of Monmouth, Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
[Deputy] Auditor Humphreys to attend on Friday afternoon next about the Earl of Macclesfield's memorial (struck through).
The Chamberlain of London desired to attend on Wednesday morning next with some of the gentlemen of the Committee for the city debt.
Mr. Humphreys called in about the Earl of Macclesfield's memorial for payment of money to him as Lord President of [the Marches of] Wales. My Lords ordered him to present in writing a state of the case ; which he presently did and signed the same. Thereupon my Lords resolved to represent the same to the King for his directions therein.
Mr. Dockwray and partners to attend on Friday afternoon next.
The Customs Commissioners to attend on Friday afternoon next.
The Bishop of Chester to attend on Monday afternoon next.
[Deputy] Auditor Humphreys to attend on Friday afternoon next upon a petition of the Welsh Judges.
[Ibid, p. 144.]
Nov. 12. Present : all my Lords, Earl of Portland, Earl of Marlborough, Visct. Lumley, Lord Sydney.
[? The Lords present being] "appointed a Committee for regulating the affairs of the Army."
The Earl of Ranelagh, Mr. Blathwaite and Mr. Crawford called in. They offer a proposal for regulating the agents, pay and clothing of the Army.
My Lords will propose to the King :—
(1) That the off-reckonings to the 1st of March last shall by the Paymaster be applied to the discharging the [account for] old clothing where any is due and from Mar. 1 to the new clothing. (In the margin, Dec. 4 : His Majesty orders the Earl of Ranelagh to give a particular account what Regiments will come within this rule.)
(2) That the rolls shall be closed upon the place of the muster ; and the parchment rolls that used to be delivered to the officer or agent shall by the next post after the muster is taken be sent up to the Commissary General's Office and by him forthwith transmitted to the Paymaster General of the Army. (In the margin : His Majesty does agree to this.)
(3) That there should be regular weekly payments made to the Paymaster-General [out of the Exchequer] towards the monthly payment of the Army. (In the margin : His Majesty will consider of this.)
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 145.]
Nov. 13. Present : Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
The gentlemen of the City Committee were called in and 'twas recommended to them to lend his Majesty a considerable sum of money upon the credit of the next 2s. Subsidy according to a vote of the House of Commons of the 9th inst. : and they returned answer they would consult with their fellow citizens and give my Lords an account of what should be agreed on.
They withdrew and returned and offered it as their opinion and advice that a letter should be written to the Lord Mayor to communicate this matter to the Common Council.
[Ibid, p. 146.]
Nov. 14. Present : all my Lords ; the Lords of the Admiralty ; the Lord President, Lord Privy Seal, Earl of Shrewsbury, Earl of Nottingham, Mr. Russell.
The [Treasury] Board agreed that for the proposing five persons to be presented to his Majesty to be Commissioners of the Victualling each [person present] should in a paper set down the names of such as they think fit for that service. This was done and the votes were found as follows : Mr. Papillon, 13 voices ; Mr. Mayne, 11 ; Mr. Howe, 11 ; Mr. Agar, 7 ; Mr. Ayles, 6 ; Sir Robt. Rich, 2 ; Mr. Hornby, 2 ; Mr. Fenn, Mr. Hales, Mr. Paschall, Mr. Hill, Mr. Wilmer, Mr. Abr. Hill, Capt. Hill and Sir H. Johnson, 1 each : so the choice fell on the first-named five.
[Ibid, p. 147.]
Nov. 15. Present : Lord Delamere, Lord Godolphin, Sir Henry Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Mr. Twitty to attend my Lords this afternoon.
Ordered that William Johnson have 5l. in charity out of secret service.
Afternoon : present : all my Lords.
Mr. Evance to attend to-morrow morning.
The King came in.
The Commissioners of the Victualling to attend to-morrow morning.
Mr. Blathwaite to attend to-morrow morning.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 148.]
Nov. 16. Present : Earl of Monmouth, Lord Delamere, Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell.
Sir Jo. Parsons and Mr. Fenn are called in and my Lords recommended to them that the 8,000l. ordered them yesterday should be applied to the present service [of the Victualling]. They promised it should be applied accordingly and that they would not pay any arrear to any person but such as should now furnish as many provisions for this present service as the money paid them should amount to.
Write Mr. Sanson [the Customs Secretary] to send directions by this night's post to the [Customs] officers at Hull and the adjacent places to pay to Thomas Fotherby, esq. (upon account of the pay of the Danish Troops) any sum not exceeding 2,000l. Upon said Fotherby's receipt the said officers may draw bills on Mr. James Herriott, goldsmith at the Naked Boy in Fleet Street, who shall [by my Lords] be enabled to [honour same or to] comply therewith.
Write Mr. Noell [Secretary to the Excise] to the like effect for the officers of Excise and Hearthmoney to pay said Fotherby the like sum of 2,000l.
Write Mr. Sanson to send direction by this night's post to Mr. Isaacson, collector of Newcastle port, to pay to the Commander in Chief of such Danish Forces as shall arrive there (if there be occasion for it), any sum not exceeding 500l. Upon the Commander's receipt bills drawn as above shall be honoured as above.
[Ibid, p. 149.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 124.]
Nov. 18. Present : Lord Delamere, Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
[No entry of any minute.]
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 150.]
Nov. 19. Present : Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Write the Customs Commissioners to direct the officers of the several ports of England to give notice to all masters of the several ships in the ports, bound for Ireland, that the King's Army is upon removal from Carlingford and Dundalk to Carrickfergus : to the end the said masters may take their measures accordingly.
Sir Jo. Parsons and the other Victuallers to attend to-morrow morning.
Afternoon : present : the Treasury Lords and the Lords for Regulating the Affairs of the Army.
[The following rules and orders relating to the clothing the Army are agreed to] :—
(1) They shall clothe once in two years and surtouts after the first year.
(2) A standard of clothing shall be given which no officer shall exceed.
(3) That when the time of clothing shall draw near the Colonel shall call together the several Captains who are to choose two or three of their own number that are to find out cloth, lining and other necessaries for the clothing according to such patterns as shall be given them by the Colonels and to beat down the price as low as they can and to make their report to the Colonel, who, approving of the rates, is to make a contract with the tradesmen and to sign it together with all the Captains.
(4) The off-reckonings shall be stopped in the hands of the Paymaster [of the Forces] and not be issued but to the persons to whom the same is due according to the aforesaid contracts, till such time as the contract is satisfied.
(In the margin : 1689, Dec. 4. His Majesty agreed to the above four articles.)
The estimate of clothing is as follows :—
For the Light Horse.
First year : Coat, 1l. 15s. 0d. ; hat, 10s. ; taffaty cravat and linen, 4s. ; gloves, 4s. ; cloak, 2l. 10s. 0d. ; howse and [holster] caps, 1l. 5s. 0d. ; scarf, 8s. ; total, 6l. 16s. 0d.
Second year : Coat, 1l. 15s. 0d. ; hatt, 10s. ; taffaty cravat and ribbon, 4s. ; gloves, 4s. ; total, 2l. 13s. 0d.
(In the margin : Dec. 4. His Majesty ordered that the carabine belts for the Light Horse shall be of buff.)
For the Foot.
First year : Shoes, one pair, 3s. 6d. ; hat, 5s. ; one shirt, one cravat, 3s. 4d. ; stockins, one pair, 2s. 6d. ; coat and breeches, 1l. 10s. 0d. ; gloves, one pair, 1s. 6d. ; scash, 1s. 2d. ; waste belt, 3s. 6d. ; sword, 5s. ; total, 2l. 15s. 6d.
Second year : Shoes, one pair, 3s. 6d. ; hat, 5s. ; one shirt, one cravat, 3s. 4d. ; one pair of stockins, 2s. 6d. ; surtout, 15s. : total, 1l. 9s. 4d.
(In the margin : His Majesty ordered that one shirt and one cravat more be added each year.)
[Treasury Minute Book VII, pp. 151-2.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 126.]
Nov. 20. Present : Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capel, Mr. Hampden.
Afternoon : present : the King, all my Lords.
[No entry of any minute, either morning or afternoon.]
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 153.]
Nov. 21. Present : Lord Delamere, Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Write the Victualling Commissioners to take care to comply with the contract made with Mr. Gore and other merchants for pipe staves ; and that my Lords will take care to supply them with money "according to the letter which they received from you last night" : also to direct them to attend my Lords tomorrow morning.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 154.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 126.]
Nov 20
[apparently an erratum for Nov. 22].
Present : Earl of Monmouth, Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
The Earl of Montagu [Master of the Great Wardrobe] was called in and produced a letter from Mr. Vernon touching the providing the presents for Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli ; which he affirmed would amount to about 1,000l. And there has been furnished for the Queen of Spain's yacht and ship furniture to near 2,000l., which his Majesty commanded should be done with all speed. My Lords assured the Earl that they would take care to supply him with money for these services.
Some of the Commissioners of the Navy to attend this afternoon.
Mr. Ingram to attend to-morrow morning.
Afternoon : present : Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
The Bishop of Exeter called in touching his pretensions to the silver etc. taken up by Ford and partners. He pretends to a moiety as Vice-Admiral. My Lords proposed that he send an extract of his patent, which (together with Mr. Ford's patent) they propose to refer to the Attorney General for his opinion.
The Navy Commissioners called in and ordered to come on Monday afternoon next to give my Lords an account in writing of the method of taking a survey of the stores etc. to be delivered over to the new Victuallers.
Mr. Papilion to attend on Monday afternoon next.
Sir Jo. Parsons, the like.
Alderman Herne to attend on Monday morning next about the ship seized at Scilly.
Sir Saml. Dashwood to attend on Tuesday morning next.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, pp. 155-6.]
Nov. 23. Present : all my Lords ; Earl of Shrewsbury, Earl of Nottingham.
Agreed upon a regulation for the extraordinaries of foreign ministers.
Write the Customs Commissioners or Mr. Sanson, in their absence, that in regard the collectors of Chester and Liverpool had not [enough] in their hands to pay Mr. Greenhill the whole 1,500l. ordered the 9th inst. supra, p. 64, they are to pay him forthwith only 500l. in part thereof, because my Lords have ordered the remaining 1,000l. to be paid to him another way. The 500l. will be made good here [in London to said collectors] upon [Greenhill's] drawing bills on Mr. James Herriott, ut supra, ibid.
Write Mr. Noel (in the absence of the Commissioners of Excise and Hearthmoney) to write by this post to the collectors and receivers of Excise and Hearthmoney at Chester and Liverpool and the places adjacent to pay or give credit to said Henry Greenhill for any sum not exceeding 1,000l. On Greenhill's drawing bills on said Herriott, goldsmith, at the Naked Boy in Fleet Street, my Lords will enable him to comply therewith.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 157.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 127.]
Nov. 25. Present : all my Lords.
[No entry of any minute.]
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 158.]
Nov. 27. Present : Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Write Sir Richard Haddock, Sir Jo. Parsons and partners, late Commissioners of the Victualling, that they are to make up their (Victualling) accounts with all speed. Meanwhile they are to deliver in a list of the debts due from the [Navy Victualling] Office to merchants and others, and my Lords will take care that money shall be provided to discharge the same. A copy of this order is to be sent to Mr. Papillion et al. the present Victuallers (who, as they see occasion, are to acquaint the respective creditors of the Victualling therewith).
At Kensington.
Afternoon : present : the King ; all my Lords.
The King appointed Mr. Germain and Mr. Machell to be Commissioners of Wine Licences and ordered that the present Commissioners be sent for and discoursed with about admitting Mr. Chair to be another. If they agree to it the King will have Mr. Chair to be added.
[Ibid, p. 159.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 130.]
Nov. 28.
Treasury Chambers, Whitehall.
Present : Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Write Mr. Williamson, the Receiver for co. Yorks of the 12d. Aid, to forthwith pay or give credit to Thomas Fotherby, esq., of any sum not exceeding 4,000l. on account of the pay of the Danish Troops. On said Williamson's drawing bills for same on James Herriott, goldsmith, and on production of Mr. Fotherby's receipt for the money, my Lords will take care that he be enabled to comply therewith.
The like letter to be sent to Mr. Isaacson, Receiver for Newcastle [of the said Aid], to similarly pay 500l. to the Baron de Ivell.
Ordered that Capt. Studholme have 400l. upon account for the ways made by him in Hyde Park and St. James's.
Write Mr. Treageare, Receiver for Cornwall of the 12d. Aid, to pay any sum not exceeding 3,441l. 5s. 8d. to Col. Trelawney. On Tregeare's drawing bills on the Earl of Ranelagh (and on production of Trelawney's receipt for the money) my Lords will enable said Earl to comply therewith. Mr. Tregeare to pay this money without delay because it much imports his Majesty's service.
Write the Customs Commissioners to instruct the Customs Collectors of Plymouth, Exeter and ports adjacent to pay any sum not exceeding 1,750l. to said Trelawney. The said collectors to draw bills for same on said Ranelagh and to pay the money without delay as above.
The like letter to the Excise Commissioners (or to Mr. Noell in their absence) to give like orders to the officers of Excise and Hearthmoney in Plymouth, Exeter and adjacent places to similarly pay the like sum of 1,750l. [to said Trelawney].
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 160.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 132.]
Nov. 29. Present : Earl of Monmouth, Lord Delamere, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
The Excise Commissioners and Sir Vere Fane and partners to attend on Tuesday afternoon next.
The Wine Licences Commissioners called in and with Mr. St. Germain and Mr. Matchell are heard upon the latters' memorial. Mr. St. Germain and Mr. Matchell submit to the minute of Nov. 9, supra, p. 64 : and the Commissioners agree to admit Mr. Albion Chaire to be one of the Commissioners upon condition that his salary be not paid out of the 1,800l. a year allowed to them by their contract.
Ordered that a scire facias be issued against Lady Moning's patent for the [water] bailiwick of the river of Severn.
[Treasury Minute Book VII, p. 161.]
Nov. 30. Present : Lord Godolphin, Sir H. Capell, Mr. Hampden.
Sir Jo. Parsons and Mr. Papillion to attend on Monday morning.
Mr. Strong and Mr. Culliford, the like notice to attend.
[Ibid, p. 162.]