House of Commons Journal Volume 2
12 November 1641

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 12 November 1641', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 312-314. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=11322 Date accessed: 25 October 2014.


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Die Veneris, 12 Nov. 1641.

PRAYERS .

Searching for Arms, &c.

ORDERED, That the Mayor of Colchester, and the rest of the Justices, shall have Power to search the House of Mrs. Paine, a Recusant, for Arms; and to seize them according to the Ordinance of Parliament in that Behalf; and to intercept, and make stay of, such Letters as shall come hither to be conveyed into Ireland.

Book of Rates.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Customers, to which the Book of Rates is referred, be revived; and do meet this Afternoon, at Four of Clock, in the Inner Starchamber: And that they may sit at such times as they shall think fit, without Adjournment.

Arundell Election.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Election of Sir Edward Alford, and Mr. Garton, for the Borough of Arundell in the County of Sussex, was good.

Arundell Writ.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Speaker shall issue his Warrant, directed to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, for a new Writ to be sent to the Sheriff of Sussex, for the Electing of another Burgess to serve for that Town in the Stead of Mr. Garton, formerly chosen to serve as a Member for that Town, and is since deceased.

Tewxbury Election.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Election of Tewxbury shall be committed to the Committee for Elections, together with the Petitions that concern that Election: And That Committee is to meet as to this Business only, To-morrow Morning at Eight of Clock, in the Star-chamber.

Irish Affairs.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that forthwith so many Officers be sent over into the North Parts of Ireland, as shall be sufficient to command Two thousand Men.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that these Two thousand Men be divided into Two Regiments, a Thousand in each Regiment.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it ..., that the Lieutenant of Ireland shall have Power to make a List of the Officers, and to appoint what Number shall be in every Company, provided that each Company consists of no less than One hundred.

Resolved, upon the Question, that this .... That the Thirteen hundred Arms shall be forthwith sent over into the North Parts of Ireland, and so many Arms as shall arm a Troop of Horse.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that the old Companies, of the old Army, shall be made up a Hundred in a Company at least.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that Sir John Clotworthy be recommended, from both Houses of Parliament, to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, to give him some honourable Employment, with Power to raise Men; and that the Lords be moved to that Purpose.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that so many Officers shall be sent into the Province of Munster in Ireland, as shall command a Thousand Foot, and a Troop of Horse.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that it be propounded to the Lords [a], that Order be taken for the Securing the several Forts of Ireland; that is to say, Corke, Waterford, Limmerick, Kinesale, Yahale, Galloway and Baltimore.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that the Lord Dungarvon be recommended to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, to have the Command of Yahale in Ireland; and to have some Place of Command in the Army; and that the Lords be moved to that Purpose.

Resolved, upon the Question, that this House holds it fit; that Captain Charles Price shall be recommended unto the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, for some Place of farther Command in the Army according to his Merit.

Communication to the City.

Mr. Hampden, Sir Ben. Rudyard, Sir Wm. Armyn, are to go with the Gentlemen that serve for the City, to communicate unto them the Letter that came from the Lords Justices of Ireland, directed to the Lords of the Council here, concerning the Miseries of Ireland: To acquaint them with the Resolution of this House for the Raising of Two hundred thousand Pounds: To acquaint them with the Order of this House for the Bill for Protections.

Parliamentary Protections.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill for Protections do meet To-morrow at Seven of Clock, in the Exchequer-chamber; and that the Bill be brought in, and reported To-morrow Morning: And that those Gentlemen of the long Robe that were added to that Committee, be especially enjoined to attend That Committee.

Providing Monies.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the House shall be presently resolved into a Committee, to consider of some course for Providing of present Monies.

Mr. Hide called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Upon Mr. Hide's Report; it was

Resolved, upon the Question, That Two hundred thousand Pounds shall be raised for the Suppressing of the Rebels in Ireland, for Security of this Kingdom, and for the Payment of Debts.

Irish Affairs.

Mr. Pym reports from the Committee for Irish Affairs: "1. I am commanded to present a State of the Army; that is, what Charge it will be to the Commonwealth, to maintain such Men as will be for the Defence of Ireland: Those Gentlemen that are appointed as a Council.. War to prepare Things for this House, have proportioned the Charge in a middle way, between Sixteen hundred and Eighteen, and Sixteen hundred and Thirtynine: That the Pay of a Regiment of One thousand Men, together with the Officers, amounts unto Nineteen thousand Two hundred and One Pounds per Annum: for One Regiment of Six hundred Horse, per Annum, Thirty-seven thousand Three hundred and Ten Pounds; for the General Officers of the Field, Nineteen thousand Five hundred Forty-one Pounds Eight Shillings and Two-pence per Annum.

Ordered, That this Report, now made from the Committee for Irish Affairs, be recommitted unto the same Committee; to be farther considered of, and to be presented with some Resolutions of theirs upon it.

Raising Soldiers for Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that Sir Simon Harecourt shall presently go down to Chester, to raise Men to carry over to Dublyn; and that Sir Wm. Brereton, a Member of this House, shall be intreated to go with him, to give him his best Assistance in that Service; and that Two thousand Pounds shall be imprested unto him, to carry down with him for that Service.

Ordered, That the Treasurers for the Subsidies shall forthwith pay unto Sir Simon Harecourt Two thousand Pounds, appointed to be imprested unto him for the Raising of Men at Chester, out of the Monies in ready Cash in their Hands: And that the said Treasurers shall have the like Order, to have these Two thousand Pounds out of the first Monies that shall come in by Loan, as they have for the Re-payment of the Eleven thousand Pounds by the Order of the Ninth of November.

Examining Roberts.

Ordered, That Sir Walter Earle, Mr. Arthur Goodwyn, Mr. Strode, and Mr. Morley, or any Two of them, do take the Examination of Mr. Roberts, and report the same to this House: And, in the mean time to remain in the Serjeant's Custody.

Papers delivered.

Memorandum, the Committee that went to the City received of me, and carried with them, the Letters from the Lords Justices to both Houses of Parliament, and to the Lords of his Majesty's most Honourable Privy Council.

Oneall to answer.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Daniel Oneall ought to answer to the Interrogatories, notwithstanding any Allegation of the Act of Pacification and Oblivion:

Irish Affairs.

That all the Resolutions of this House, concerning the Irish Affairs, shall be proposed by the Committee of this House to the Committee of the Lords.

Transactions with Scotland.

Mr. Hollis reports the Conference, Yesterday had with the Lords, concerning the Instructions to be sent to the Committees attending his Majesty in Scotland.

The Question being put, whether this House should insist upon their former Vote of Accepting, at this present, of a Thousand Men only, to be raised in Scotland, to be sent into Ireland;

The House was divided:
The Noes went forth.
Sir Walth. Erle,
Mr. Martin,
Tellers for the Noe, 77.
Sir Ralph Hopton,
Mr. Strangewayes,
Tellers for the Yea, 112.

Resolved, upon the Question, that this House shall insist upon their former Vote of Accepting, at this present, of a Thousand Men only, to be raised in Scotland, and sent into Ireland.

Proceedings against the Bishops.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Whittfield and Serjeant Glanvile;

The Lords have sent us with this Message; this being the Day for the Thirteen Bishops, charged by this House, to put in their Answers; One of them (Godfrey Bishop of Gloucester) has pleaded, Not Guilty, modo & forma; the other Twelve have put in, for their Answer, a Plea and Demurrer.

Footnotes

a The Words "that it be propounded to the Lords," are scored under, as if they were to be left out.