House of Lords Journal Volume 37
June 1785 21-30

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June 1785 21-30

DIE Martis, 21o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Archiep. Ebor.
Epus. Bath. & Wells.
Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Ds. Camden, Præses.
Comes Gower, C. P. S.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Devonshire.
Dux Portland.
March. Lansdown.
Comes Derby.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Shaftesbury.
Comes Scarborough.
Comes Morton.
Comes Galloway.
Comes Hopetoun.
Comes Effingham.
Comes Fitzwilliam.
Comes Northington.
Comes Radnor.
Comes Chatham.
Comes Clarendon.
Viscount Townshend.
Viscount Stormont.
Viscount Dudley & Ward.
Viscount Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Say & Sele.
Ds. Elphinstone.
Ds. King.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Hawke.
Ds. Brownlow.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Bagot.

PRAYERS.

Sarum Council House, &c. Bill.

The Lord Scarsdale reported from the Lords Committees, to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act for the Removal and rebuilding of the Council Chamber, Guildhall, and Gaol of the City of New Sarum, and for ascertaining the Tolls of the Market, and regulating the Chairmen within the said City," was committed: "That they had considered the said Bill, and examined the Allegations thereof, which were found to be true; and that the Committee had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Aylesbury Road Bill.

The Lord Scarsdale made the like Report from the Lords Committees, to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act to enlarge the Term and Powers of an Act passed in the Tenth Year of His present Majesty's Reign, for amending the Road from Aylesbury in the County of Buckingham, through Thame and Little Milton to the Turnpike Road between Bensington and Shillingford in the County of Oxford, and for amending the Road from the Turnpike Road at Thame to the Oxford Turnpike Road between Postcomb and Tetsworth in the said County of Oxford," was committed.

Banbury Road Bill.

The Lord Scarsdale made the like Report from the Lords Committees, to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act to enlarge the Term and explain and amend the Powers of an Act passed in the Fifth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for repairing and widening the Road from the Turnpike Road in Banbury in the County of Oxford, through Daventry and Cottesbach to the South End of Mill Field in the Parish of Lutterworth in the County of Leicester," was committed.

Shoreditch Paving Bill.

The Lord Scarsdale also made the like Report from the Lords Committees, to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act for amending Two Acts of the Eighth and Sixteenth Years of His present Majesty, for opening certain Passages and for paving the Streets and other Places in the Parish of Saint Leonard Shoreditch, and such Part of Hog Lane as lies within the Liberty of Norton Falgate in the County of Middlesex, and for preventing Annoyances therein," was committed.

D. Northumberland's Exchange Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act to enable His Majesty to grant the Inheritance of certain Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, situate in or near North Scotland Yard in the County of Middlesex, in Exchange for the Inheritance of certain Buildings or Barracks and Land adjoining thereto, and also of certain Ground contiguous to Tinmouth Castle in the County of Northumberland, belonging to the Duke of Northumberland, or for such further or other Compensation as shall be a full Consideration for the same; and also to empower the said Duke to make such Exchange."

The Question was put, " Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Lambeth Water Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for supplying the Inhabitants of the Parish of Lambeth and Parts adjacent, in the County of Surrey, with Water."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Clapham Lighting Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for lighting and watching the Village of Clapham and certain Roads leading thereto, in the County of Surrey."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Messages to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to the Three preceding Bills.

And Messages were, severally, sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Holford and Mr. Anguish:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bills, without any Amendment.

Bristol Church Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for rebuilding the Parish Church of Christ Church otherwise the Holy Trinity, within the City of Bristol; and for widening the Streets adjacent thereto."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to the Consideration of the Lords following:

Ld. President.
Ld. Privy Seal.
D. Richmond.
D. Devonshire.
D. Portland.
M. Lansdown.
E. Derby.
E. Sandwich.
E. Carlisle.
E. Shaftesbury.
E. Scarborough.
E. Morton.
E. Galloway.
E. Hopetoun.
E. Effingham.
E. Fitzwilliam.
E. Northington.
E. Radnor.
E. Chatham.
E. Clarendon.
V. Townshend.
V. Stormont.
V. Dudley & Ward.
V. Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
L. Abp. York.
L. Bp. Bath. & Wells.
L. Bp. Lincoln.
L. Bp. Bangor.
L. Bp. Bristol.
L. Sydney.
L. Say & Sele.
L. Elphinstone.
L. King.
L. Chedworth.
L. Sandys.
L. Scarsdale.
L. Hawke.
L. Brownlow.
L. Loughborough.
L. Walsingham.
L. Bagot.

Their Lordships, or any Five of them, to meet To-morrow, at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, in the Prince's Lodgings, near the House of Peers; and to adjourn as they please.

Mercer against Williamson.

Upon reading the Petition and Appeal of Charles Mercer Esquire of Lethindy, complaining of certain Parts of Three Interlocutors of the Lord Ordinary in Scotland, of the 17th of February, 8th of July, and 10th of August 1784; also of an Interlocutor of the Lords of Session there of the 25th of January 1785; also of Three other Interlocutors of the said Lord Ordinary of the 27th of January, the 3d of February, and 8th of March 1785; also of another Interlocutor of the said Lords of the 11th of March 1785; and also of another Interlocutor of the said Lord Ordinary of the 11th of June 1785; and praying, "That the same may be reversed, in so far as the same are complained of, or that the Appellant may have such other Relief in the Premises as to this House, in their Lordships' great Wisdom, shall seem meet; and that Robert Williamson Minister of Lethindy may be required to answer the said Appeal:"

It is Ordered, That the said Robert Williamson may have a Copy of the said Appeal, and do put in his Answer thereunto in Writing on or before Tuesday the 19th Day of July next; and Service of this Order upon the said Respondent, or upon any of his Lawyers or Agents in the Court of Session in Scotland, shall be deemed good Service.

Flection Voters Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Mahon and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for the better securing the Rights of Voters at County Elections;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be printed.

Kilnwick Enclosure Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Taylor and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for dividing and enclosing the Open Arable Fields, Ings or Pasture Grounds, and Common within the Township of Kilnwick in the Parish of Kilnwick in the East Riding of the County of York;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ireland, Land Owners &c. of Lancaster, Petition against Resolutions respecting, referred to Committee:

Upon reading the Petition of the Gentlemen, Clergy, and Owners of Land in the County Palatine of Lancaster, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; setting forth, That the Petitioners, observing that certain Resolutions on the Subject of an Arrangement of a commercial Intercourse with Ireland, are now under their Lordships' Consideration, and understanding that such Arrangement is intended to be permanent and unalterable, and being greatly apprehensive that it will in its Consequences be highly prejudicial to the landed, as well as the commercial Interests of this Kingdom, and particularly those of this County, beg Leave humbly to pray their Lordships, that further Time may be given for the most mature Consideration of so important a Subject; and they further desire to express their anxious Wishes for the general Prosperity of the whole British Empire, and that such a complete Union, commercial, political, and legislative, may be formed betwixt Great Britain and Ireland by the Wisdom of Parliament as may be productive of mutual Advantages and lasting Harmony to both Kingdoms:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions.

House in Committee on said Resolutions.

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland; and for the Lords to be summoned:

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee thereupon.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported a further Progress.

Ordered, That the further Consideration of the said Irish Commercial Resolutions be adjourned till Tomorrow, and the Lords summoned.

Petition of Manufacturers against said Resolutions, referred to a Committee.

A Petition of the Manufacturers, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, on Behalf of themselves and others, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners are filled with the most serious Apprehensions of the pernicious Effects which certain Resolutions respecting Ireland, now before this Right Honourable House, will have on the manufacturing Interests of this Kingdom if passed into a Law, and particularly the Fourteenth of these Resolutions; the Petitioners are persuaded that the Existence of many of the valuable Manufactures now carried on in this Kingdom by the Petitioners and others, depends on the exclusive Use of numerous Materials the natural Produce of this Kingdom, and of a great Variety of Tools, Implements, and Machines invented and made by their Artists for the better carrying on their several Manufactures; that the Exportation thereof will be productive of great Loss to the Kingdom in general, and particularly to the Petitioners and other Manufacturers, as the Irish Manufacturers will be thereby enabled to rival them in their own and foreign Markets, and the Merchants of Ireland will be enabled to supply foreign Countries with the Materials, Tools, and Machines before-mentioned, by which Means many Thousands of the industrious Poor of this Kingdom will be deprived of their usual Labour and Support, and the Revenue of this Kingdom will, consequently, be much diminished; the Petitioners humbly beg Permission to state to this Right Honourable House their Belief that the Nature and Extent of the Mischief contained in this Fourteenth Resolution has hitherto escaped the Notice of the Framers and Promoters thereof, or has not met with the Consideration it requires;" and therefore praying, "To be heard by themselves or Counsel against the pernicious Tendency of the aforesaid Fourteenth Resolution, and against the passing of the same into a Law, or that this House will grant other effectual Relief in the Premises."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel against the Fourteenth Resolution."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel against the said Fourteenth Resolution.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Mercurii, vicesimum secundum diem instantis Junii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Mercurii, 22o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Ds. Camden, Præses.
Comes Gower, C. P. S.
Dux Portland.
March. Lansdown.
Comes Derby.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Abingdon.
Comes Morton.
Comes Hopetoun.
Comes Fitzwilliam.
Comes Radnor.
Comes Clarendon.
Comes Beaulieu.
Viscount Townshend.
Viscount Stormont.
Viscount Dudley & Ward.
Viscount Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
Viscount Sackville.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Say & Sele.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Hawke.
Ds. Brownlow.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Rawdon.

PRAYERS.

Bristol Church, &c. Bill.

The Lord Scarsdale reported from the Lords Committees, to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act for rebuilding the Parish Church of Christ Church, otherwise the Holy Trinity, within the City of Bristol, and for widening the Streets adjacent thereto," was committed: "That they had considered the said Bill, and examined the Allegations thereof, which were found to be true; and that the Committee had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Sarum Council House, &c. Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for the removal and rebuilding the Council Chamber, Guildhall, and Gaol of the City of New Sarum, and for ascertaining the Tolls of the Market, and regulating the Chairmen within the said City."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Aylesbury Road Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act to enlarge the Term and Powers of an Act passed in the Tenth Year of His present Majesty's Reign for amending the Road from Aylesbury, in the County of Buckingham, through Thame and Little Milton, to the Turnpike Road between Bensington and Shillingford, in the County of Oxford; and for amending the Road from the Turnpike Road at Thame, to the Oxford Turnpike Road between Postcomb and Tetsworth in the said County of Oxford."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Banbury Road Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act to enlarge the Term and explain and Amend the Powers of an Act passed in the Fifth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for repairing and widening the Road from the Turnpike Road in Banbury, in the County of Oxford, through Daventry and Cottesbach to the South End of Mill Field, in the Parish of Lutterworth in the County of Leicester."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Shoreditch Paving Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for amending Two Acts of the Eighth and Sixteenth Years of His present Majesty for opening certain Passages, and for paving the Streets and other Places in the Parish of Saint Leonard Shoreditch, and such Part of Hog Lane as lies within the Liberty of Norton Falgate in the County of Middlesex, and for preventing Annoyances."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Messages to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to the Four preceding Bills.

And Messages were, severally, sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Holford and Mr. Anguish:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bills, without any Amendment.

Kilnwick Enclosure Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for dividing and enclosing the open Arable Fields, Ings, or Pasture Grounds, and Common within the Township of Kilnwick in the Parish of Kilnwick, in the East Riding of the County of York."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to the Consideration of the Lords following :

Ld. President.
Ld. Privy Seal.
D. Portland.
M. Lansdown.
E. Derby.
E. Huntingdon.
E. Sandwich.
E. Carlisle.
E. Abingdon.
E. Morton.
E. Hopetoun.
E. Fitzwilliam.
E. Radnor.
E. Clarendon.
E. Beaulieu.
V. Townshend.
V. Stormont.
V. Dudley & Ward.
V. Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
V. Sackville.
L. Bp. Lincoln.
L. Bp. Bangor.
L. Bp. Bristol.
L. Sydney.
L. Say & Sele.
L. Chedworth.
L. Sandys.
L. Scarsdale.
L. Hawke.
L. Brownlow.
L. Loughborough.
L. Walsingham.
L. Rawdon.

Their Lordships, or any Five of them, to meet To-morrow, at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, in the Prince's Lodgings, near the House of Peers; and to adjourn as they please.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure.

The House was resumed.

Game Certificates Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for repealing an Act made in the Twenty Fourth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties on Certificates issued with respect to the killing of Game, and for granting other Duties in Lieu thereof;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be read a Second Time on Wednesday next.

Ireland, House in Committee on Resolutions of H. C. respecting.

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee, upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons, relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland; and for the Lords to be summoned:

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committe thereupon.

After some Time, the House was resumed in order to swear a Witness.

Who being sworn:

The House was again adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported a further Progress.

Ordered, That the further Consideration of the said Irish Commercial Resolutions be adjourned till To-morrow; and the Lords summoned.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Jovis, vicesimum tertium diem instantis Junii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Jovis, 23o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Ds. Camden, Præses.
Comes Gower, C. P. S.
Dux Portland.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Abingdon.
Comes Scarborough.
Comes Morton.
Comes Hopetoun.
Comes Ferrers.
Comes Tankerville.
Comes Fitzwilliam.
Comes Northington.
Comes Clarendon.
Comes Beaulieu.
Viscount Townshend.
Viscount Stormont.
Viscount Dudley & Ward.
Viscount Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
Viscount Sackville.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Say & Sele.
Ds. Elphinstone.
Ds. King.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Ponsonby.
Ds. Walpole.
Ds. Grantham.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Brownlow.
Ds. Harrowby.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Walsingham.

PRAYERS.

Kilnwick Enclosure Bill.

The Lord Scarsdale reported from the Lords Committees; to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act for dividing and enclosing the Open Arable Fields, Ings or Pasture Grounds, and Commons within the Township of Kilnwick, in the Parish of Kilnwick, in the East Riding of the County of York," was committed: "That they had considered the said Bill, and examined the Allegations thereof, which were found to be true; that the Parties concerned had given their Consents to the Satisfaction of the Committee ; and that the Committee had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to House, without any Amendment."

Bristol Church, &c. Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for rebuilding the Parish Church of Christ Church, otherwise the Holy Trinity, within the City of Bristol, and for widening the Streets adjacent thereto."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Holford and Mr. Anguish:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bill, without any Amendment.

Boyes against Drewe:

Upon reading the Petition of John Boyes the Younger, Plaintiff in a Writ of Error depending in this House, wherein John Rose Drewe is Defendant, setting forth, That the Plaintiff in the said Writ of Error hath assigned Errors, and prayed a Writ of Certiorari, but never sued out the same;" and therefore praying, "That he may be at Liberty to withdraw his said Assignment of Errors, and that the said Writ of Error may be Non-pros'd with such Costs as their Lordships shall please to direct, the Agent for the Defendant in Error having signed the said Petition as consenting thereto :"

Writ of Error Non-pros'd with Costs.

It is Ordered, That the Petitioner be at Liberty to withdraw his said Assignment of Errors, and that the Defendant in Error do forthwith enter a Non-pros on the said Writ of Error as desired; and that the Record be remitted to the Court of King's Bench, to the End Execution may be had upon the Judgement given by that Court, as if no such Writ of Error had been brought into this House: and further, That the Plaintiff in Error do pay or cause to be paid, to the Defendant in Error, the Sum of Forty Pounds for his Costs by reason of the Delay of the Execution of the said Judgement.

Ireland, Petition against Resolutions respecting, referred to Committee:

A Petition of the Glass Manufacturers of Great Britain, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners are informed that certain Propositions of the Irish Parliament have passed the Honourable the House of Commons, and now under Consideration of this Right Honourable House: That the Petitioners are exceedingly apprehensive that the said Propositions, if carried into a Law, will be highly prejudicial and injurious to the Trade, Manufactures, and Revenue of this Kingdom, and in particular to the Manufacture of Flint Glass, which the Petitioners are concerned in;" and therefore praying the House, That they may be heard by themselves or Counsel against the said Propositions being carried into a Law."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon.

Upon reading the Petition of the Proprietors of Coal and Salt Works in Scotland, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, setting forth, "That the Works belonging to the Petitioners and others in Scotland are numerous, and have been erected at a very considerable Expence: That there is annually consumed at these Works above One Hundred and Twenty Thousand Tons of Coal: That the Coal so used are all small Coal of the Nature of Culm, and not having the Quality of Adhesion like the Newcastle Coal, are unfit for any Purpose but making Salt and burning Limestone: That if the small Coal cannot be used in making Salt, it will not only ruin the Salt Works of the Petitioners and others, but make it impossible for them to continue their Coal Works from the Want of Consumption of the small Coal: That the Petitioners humbly apprehend that this will be the Case if the present Commercial Intercourse with Ireland as to Salt is not put under the same Regulations and to be made liable to the same Duties of Excise as Salt brought Coastways from England into Scotland: That the Petitioners were not informed of their dangerous Situation until it was too late to bring their humble Representations under the Consideration of the Right Honourable the House of Commons;" and therefore praying their Lordships, "To grant the Petitioners Relief by its being provided for in the Regulations of Intercourse with Ireland, that all Salt imported into Scotland from that Kingdom be subjected to the same Regulations and to the same Duties of Excise payable in England, as Salt brought Coastways from England to Scotland is at present liable to:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions.

Evidence taken before the Committee to be printed.

Ordered, That the Evidence already taken before the Committee of the whole House upon the Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland, be printed for the Use of the House.

Petitions against said Resolutions referred to Committee.

A Petition of the Manufacturers and Woolstaplers of the County of Southampton, and others, concerned in the Manufacturing Branch of the said County, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners duly considering the great Importance of the present Commercial Treaty with Ireland to this Kingdom at large, being likewise sensible of their own particular Interests therein, and discerning those Injuries which must ensue not only to themselves but to all concerned in the Woollen Branch, if the Irish Propositions pass into a Law, even in their present amended Form, do most humbly beg Leave to approach their Lordships by this their Petition to their Most Honourable House: The Manufactory in which the Petitioners are principally concerned, is of Worsted Yarn wrought from Wool of the Growth of this Kingdom, in which many Thousands are daily employed, and is consequently productive of the most beneficial and extenfive Consequences; but the Petitioners have great Reason to apprehend that the giving up the absolute Protection they at present enjoy in the virtual Prohibition of Irish Stuffs and all kinds of Drapery for a low Duty, which is not sufficient to preserve their Home Trade, will eventually tend not only to the Annoyance and Prejudice of their Manufactory, but to the material Detriment of the Landed Interest of this Country;" and therefore praying, "That they may be permitted by themselves or Counsel to appear in Support of this their Petition at the Bar of their Lordships' Most Honourable House; and conclude with most earnestly and humbly requesting that those Parts of the Propositions which relate to the introducing of and reducing the Duties on Irish Draperies may be rejected by their Lordships as impolitic and totally inconsistent with the Manufacturing Interests, together with all others which militate against the Honour, the Glory, and the Safety of Great Britain."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon.

A Petition of the Manufacturers and Dealers in British Manufactures exported to the East Indies, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners are humbly of Opinion that one great Advantage (if not the greatest) resulting to this Country from its East India Trade, is the Exportation of the Articles furnished by the Petitioners and others: That the Petitioners are impressed with great Apprehensions of the dangerous Tendency of certain Resolutions respecting Ireland now before this Right Honourable House, which, if passed into a Law, will, in their Opinion, be productive of great Injury to the Trade of this Kingdom, and particularly to that of the Petitioners, inasmuch as One of the said Resolutions permit the East India Company's Ships to stop at Ireland in order to take in the Manufactures of that Country, for which Privilege the Petitioners do not perceive any Compensation is to be made to this Kingdom, more especially to the Petitioners: The Petitioners therefore humbly intreat this Right Honourable House to take their Case into their most serious Consideration, and either to reject the said Propositions or grant the Petitioners such other Relief as to the House may seem meet: And the Petitioners, in order to lay before this Right Honourable House a fuller Account of the pernicious Tendency of the aforesaid Resolutions, pray to be heard by themselves and Counsel against the passing the said Resolution into a Law."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon.

House in Committee on said Resolutions.

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland; and for the Lords to be summoned:

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee thereupon.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported a further Progress.

Ordered, That the further Consideration of the said Irish Commercial Resolutions be adjourned till Tomorrow; and the Lords summoned.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Veneris, vicesimum quartum diem instantis Junii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Veneris, 24o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Bath. & Wells.
Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Ds. Camden, Præses.
Comes. Gower, C. P. S.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Portland.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Shaftesbury.
Comes Abingdon.
Comes Morton.
Comes Hopetoun.
Comes Ferrers.
Comes Fitzwilliam.
Comes Northington.
Comes Clarendon.
Viscount Townshend.
Viscount Stormont.
Viscount Dudley & Ward.
Viscount Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
Viscount Sackville.
Viscount Howe.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Say & Sele.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Hawke.
Ds. Brownlow.
Ds. Harrowby.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Rawdon.

PRAYERS.

Servants Duty Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to repeal the Duties on Male Servants, and for granting new Duties on Male and Female Servants;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Pawnbrokers Licences Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Stamp Duties on Licences, to be taken out by Persons using or exercising the Trade or Business of a Pawnbroker;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Coachmakers Licences, &c. Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties upon Licences, to be taken out by Coachmakers, and also certain Duties on Carriages to be built for Sale;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Three Bills were, severally, read the First Time.

Borrett's Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Apsley and others:

To return the Bill, intituled, "An Act for vesting a Fee-Farm Rent belonging to Thomas Borrett Esquire, and Martha his Wife, in the County of Bedford, comprized in a Settlement made upon their Marriage, in Trustees, to be sold for the Purposes in the Act mentioned, and for vesting other Parts of their settled Estates, situate in the County of Kent, for the separate Use of the said Martha Borrett, and to other Uses, the same as in the former Settlements thereof;" and to acquaint this House, That they have agreed to the same, without any Amendment.

Kilnwick Enclosure Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for dividing and enclosing the Open Arable Fields, Ings, or Pasture Grounds and Common, within the Township of Kilnwick, in the Parish of Kilnwick, in the East Riding of the County of York."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Holford and Mr. Anguish:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bill, without any Amendment.

Ireland, Petition of Proprietors of Scotch Salt Works against Resolutions respecting, referred to the Committee.

A Petition of Gavin Hogg, Agent for the Proprietors of Salt Works in Scotland, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioner is Agent for the Salt Proprietors, who Yesterday presented a Petition to their Lordships: That it is with great Concern the Petitioner is informed, that by the Rules of the House he is not permitted to support that Petition by Counsel or Evidence, it not making Part of the Prayer of the said Petition, although the Petitioners, at the Time of their signing the said Petition, apprehended they would be at Liberty to bring Evidence, and to be heard by Counsel in Support thereof;" and therefore praying their Lordships, "That he may be at Liberty to bring Evidence, and to be heard by himself or Counsel in Support of the said Petition."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House, appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioner to bring Evidence, and to be heard by himself or Counsel thereupon."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioner to bring Evidence, and to be heard by himself or Counsel thereupon.

Spottiswoode to enter into Recognizance on Mercer's Appeal.

The House being moved, "That John Spottiswoode of Sackville Street Gentleman, may be permitted to enter into a Recognizance for Charles Mercer Esquire, of Lethindy, on Account of his Appeal depending in this House, he living in Scotland:"

It is Ordered, That the said John Spottiswoode may enter into a Recognizance for the said Appellant, as desired.

Atkinson against the King in Error:

The House being moved, "That a Day may be appointed for hearing Counsel, to argue the Errors assigned upon the Writ of Error, wherein Christopher Atkinson is Plaintiff, and the King Defendant:"

It is Ordered, That this House will hear the said Errors argued by Counsel at the Bar, on Friday the 1st Day of July next.

Judges to attend.

Ordered, That the Judges do attend this House on Friday the 1st Day of July next, upon arguing the Errors assigned upon the said Writ of Error.

Ireland House in Committee on Resolutions of H. C. respecting:

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee, upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons, relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland; and for the Lords to be summoned:

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee thereupon.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported a further Progress.

Ordered, That the further Consideration of the said Irish Commercial Resolutions be adjourned to Monday next; and the Lords summoned.

Scotch Tanners Petition against said Resolutions, referred to Committee.

Upon reading the Petition of the Subscribers Tanners in Glasgow and Paisley; setting forth, "That the Petitioners greatly alarmed, by viewing the Consequences which must unavoidably result, from passing into a Law the Propositions for establishing a System of Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland, beg Leave with all Submission to call for the Protection of this Right Honourable House, in a Matter which they judge of the utmost Importance to themselves and Families. Trained up to a calling upon which their Prosperity and Support through Life depends, and in which many have sunk their Fortunes, the Petitioners cannot be idle Spectators and fee their Rights and Privileges transferred to another Country, without stating with all Humility to this Right Honourable House, who are the Guardians of the Rights of the People, as well as the Counsellors of the Crown, those ruinous Effects which in their Apprehension will attend the Adoption of the proposed Law. The Petitioners are well satisfied that in case it is passed, they must that Instant abandon their Professions, and of Course experience all those Inconveniences which naturally follow from being deprived of their only known Means of providing for themselves: Their Apprehensions seem to them to be grounded upon Facts, which they beg Leave shortly to submit to the Consideration of the Honourable House: Ireland is allowed to be the principal Market from which Scotland is supplied with Hides and Skins, and from thence the greatest Part of those Manufactured by the Petitioners must necessarily be brought: The Expences of Commission for buying, the Curing, Duties, Freight, and Carriage, can, with certainty, be estimated at from Fifteen to Twenty per Cent.; this is saved by the Irish Tanner: The Tanners in and about Glasgow are obliged to procure most of their Barks for Tanning from the West Highlands of Scotland and England: The Irish have the same Sources of Supply, but owing to their advantageous local Situation, their Barks are obtained at least from Eight to Ten Shillings per Ton lower than the Petitioners can do, which is at least equal to Two and one Half per Cent. on the Value of the Article tanned, besides the Wages in Ireland paid to Servants from the Fertility of the Country, and the low Prices of Provisions, gives a considerable Advantage to the Irish over the Scotch Tanner: The British Tanner pays of Duty to Government upon all Tanned Leather, One Penny Halfpenny per Pound Weight, and upon Exportation only draws back a Penny; this Deduction is about equal to Four per Cent. on the Value, but the Irish Tanner pays no Duty either upon Tanning or Exportation, (except perhaps Port Dues, to which the British Tanner as well as he is subject,) if these are Facts, which the Petitioners have no Reason to doubt, it is evident that the British Tanner is to all Intents and Purposes excluded from the Foreign Market, as the Irish are able to undersell in every Foreign Market from Twenty to Thirty per Cent., and it is equally evident, that even in the British Market, the British Tanners can be greatly undersold by the Irish. From this State the Petitioners already consider themselves as excluded from every Foreign Market, and they humbly are of Opinion, that the Propositions under Discussion have a direct Tendency to establish in Britain a Preference in favour of the Irish, and to exclude the Natives from the only Sources of Employment which seems now to be left them: In these Circumstances, the Petitioners judged themselves warranted to apply to this Honourable House for Protection and Relief;" and therefore praying the House, "To take the Premises under their Consideration, and to afford such Protection to the Petitioners, as to them in their Wisdom, shall seem proper:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Lunæ, vicesimum septimum diem instantis Junii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Lunæ, 27o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Ds. Camden, Præses.
Comes Gower, C. P. S.
Dux Devonshire.
Dux Queensberry.
Dux Portland.
Comes Derby.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Berkeley.
Comes Abingdon.
Comes Scarborough.
Comes Cholmondeley.
Comes Morton.
Comes Hopetoun.
Comes Northington.
Comes Radnor.
Comes Chatham.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Say & Sele.
Ds. Elphinstone.
Ds. King.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Walpole.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Hawke.
Ds. Brownlow.
Ds. Harrowby.
Ds. Foley.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Rawdon.

PRAYERS.

Coachmakers Licence, &c.Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties upon Licences to be taken out by Coachmakers; and also certain Duties upon Carriages to be built for Sale."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Servants' Duty Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act to repeal the Duties on Male Servants ; and for granting new Duties on Male and Female Servants."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Pawnbrokers Licences Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Stamp Duties on Licences to be taken out by Persons using or exercising the Trade or Business of a Pawnbroker."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Indemnity Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act to indemnify such Persons as have omitted to qualify themselves for Offices and Employments, and to indemnify Justices of the Peace or others who have omitted to register or deliver in their Qualifications within the Time limited by Law ; and for giving further Time for those Purposes; and to indemnify Members and Officers in Cities, Corporations, and Borough Towns, whose Admissions have been omitted to be stamped according to Law, or having been stamped have been lost or mislaid, and for allowing them Time to provide Admissions duly stamped; to give further Time to such Persons as have omitted to make and file Affidavits of the Execution of Indentures of Clerks to Attornies and Solicitors; and for indemnifying Persons who have acted as Trustees of Turnpike Roads in certain Cases, and declaring their Proceedings valid."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Eames and Mr. Montagu:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bill, without any Amendment.

Ireland, Petition against Resolutions respecting, referred to Committee.

Upon reading the Petition of the Tallow Chandlers and Soap Makers in Liverpool, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; setting forth, "That the Petitioners having duly considered the Propositions for the Establishment of a new System of Commerce between Great Britain and Ireland, are seriously alarmed at their destructive Tendency; particularly so far as they regard that Branch of Trade in which the Petitioners are immediately engaged: That great Quantities of Irish Tallow are imported annually into Britain, which pay a Duty in Ireland upon Exportation ; and Kelp for the making of Soap is likewise procured from thence under the Payment of a considerable Importation Duty. These and other Disadvantages under which they labour, added to a heavy internal Excise immediately to be advanced by the British Manufacturer afford such a decided Superiority to our neighbouring Rivals, as may eventually deprive them of any Share in the Exportation of Candles and Soap, and even interfere with the Home Consumption, which would expose the many Thousands who depend on these Manufactures to the utmost Penury and Distress;" and therefore praying, "Their Lordships will be pleased to grant them such Relief as the peculiar Hardships and Difficulties with which they are threatened shall appear to require:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House, appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions.

Upon reading the Petition of the Operative Weavers in the City of Glasgow, of the Borough of Rutherglen and Neighbourhood, whose Names are thereunto subscribed ; setting forth, "That the Petitioners have seen with the greatest Distress certain Resolutions agreed to by the House of Commons of Ireland, respecting a Commercial Arrangement betwixt that Country and Britain; which Resolutions the Petitioners do conceive to be destructive and ruinous to the manufacturing Interest of this Country and to the Petitioners: That the Petitioners have heard with the greatest Surprize the Honourable the House of Commons of Britain have already agreed to these Resolutions, with Amendments indeed, but such as the Petitioners apprehend will by no Means prevent the pernicious Effects of the Resolutions: That if these Resolutions are finally adopted by Parliament, the Manufacturers of Ireland, from their various Advantages of Situation, and otherwise, will be able to undersell the Manufacturers of this Country even in their own Mercale ; and the Petitioners, consisting of many Thousands of His Majesty's loyal, dutiful, and industrious Subjects, will be reduced to Misery and Ruin; and will be obliged either to give up their Business altogether, or to emigrate to Ireland, which several of their Numbers, alarmed with these Resolutions, have already done: In these Circumstances the Petitioners most humbly implore this Right Honourable House not to pass these Resolutions into a Law, or at least to delay the same till next Session of Parliament, that the Petitioners may have Time to produce Information and Evidence to this Right Honourable House in Support of this Petition ; and the Petitioners pray that the House will allow them to be heard by themselves, or Counsel, at the Bar:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions.

A Petition of the Manufacturers of the City of Glasgow and Neighbourhood, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners, deeply interested in the Manufactures of this Country, by having large Capitals employed in them, cannot help being greatly alarmed at the Progress of the Bill now depending before the House, relative to a Commercial Treaty with Ireland; the Petitioners have attentively considered the Particulars of that Treaty, and from their Knowledge and Experience of the State of this Country comparatively with that of Ireland, they are convinced that if carried into Execution, it will produce the immediate Decline and ultimate Ruin of their Manufactures. The Petitioners are humbly of Opinion, that while Ireland is exempted from the greatest Part of the Public Burthens to which Britain is subjected, the British Manufactures will be unable to maintain a Competition with the Irish. With respect to the Market at Home, they have sufficient Ground to believe that the different Duties proposed to be laid on Irish Manufactures when imported into Britain, considering the Facility of Smuggling and the Temptation to it will by no Means prove an effectual Security to this Country, The Petitioners take the Liberty of adding, that they behold these Consequences with the deeper Concern, because after this Commercial Treaty shall be concluded, now severely soever they may be felt, there remains in Britain no Power capable of removing or alleviating them. The Petitioners therefore think it a Duty which they owe to themselves and to their Country, to pray that the House will allow them to be heard by Counsel against this Bill, and will not permit Regulations so hurtful to pass into a Law."

Also a Petition of the several Persons whose Names are thereunto subscribed, for and on Behalf of themselves and others, interested and concerned in the Trade and Manufactures of Paisley and the Neighbourhood thereof, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners are deeply interested in the Trade and Manufactures of this Country, and cannot behold with Indifference the Propositions now under the Consideration of their Lordships, for establishing a Commercial Treaty with Ireland, being humbly of Opinion that while Ireland is exempted from the greatest Part of the Public Burthens to which Britain is subjected, the British Manufacturers will be unable to maintain a Competition with the Irish: That a considerable Trade has for many Years been carried on with Ireland, by the Exportation of various Articles of British Manufacture, receiving in return the Linens of Ireland to a great Amount, which are imported into this Country Duty free: That previous to the Year 1759, all Goods whereof the chief Part of the Fabric was Linen, were received into Ireland from Great Britain Duty free: That after that Period the striped and spotted Lawns and Gauzes, and also the Kenting Handkerchiefs of Scotland (in Consequence of a small Mixture of Cotton), were considered as unrated Merchandize, and charged with a Duty of Ten per Cent. ad Valorem: That in the Year 1779 the Construction of Two old Acts of Parliament in Ireland, of the 14th and 15th of Charles the Second, laying a Duty of 5s. per Dozen on fine Needle wrought Handkerchiefs of Holland, was extended to the Kenting Handkerchiefs of Scotland, which in Value average about 12s. per Dozen: That in the Year 1781 the same Construction of Acts of Parliament, was extended to Silk Gauze Neckerchiefs, an Article which does not average above 10s. per Dozen, consequently the Duty of Five Shillings amounts to 50 per Cent. ad Valorem: That other heavy Duties have likewise been lately laid on the Importation into Ireland, of several other Articles manufactured at Paisley: That these Progressive Imposts and Duties, have operated as Prohibitions to the legal Importation of the above-mentioned Articles into Ireland, while the illicit Importation has greatly encreased, to the manifest Injury of the Irish Revenue and the fair Traders of both Countries: That the Propositions now under their Lordships' Consideration, do not make the proper and necessary Provisions for fixing and ascertaing in future, the Duties to be paid on the Importation of the Manufactures of Paisley into Ireland, and though the Eleventh Article provides that the Minimum Duty to be paid, shall not be under 10½ per Cent., yet it sets no Bounds to the Maximum which cannot be regulated under that Resolution, there being no Duties paid on similar Articles imported into this Country from Ireland: That although the 13th of these Propositions provides that no new or additional Duties, should be hereafter imposed, yet it gives no Security against the strained Construction of former Statutes, under which the above-mentioned prohibitory Duties are now levied, contrary to the true Spirit and original Intention of these Statutes: That unless these Propositions are altered and amended in the aforesaid Particulars, sundry of the Manufactures now established at Paisley and in the Neighbourhood thereof, must be totally destroyed, the Petitioners injured in their Fortunes, and many Thousands of His Majesty's useful and industrious Subjects thrown out of Employment, and they and their Families reduced to Beggary and Want: That the Petitioners are the more anxious on these Points, as they observe that after this Commercial Treaty shall be finally concluded, no Power will remain with the British Parliament to amend any Defect or supply any Omission;" and therefore praying, "That they be permitted to be heard by themselves or Counsel against these Propositions, and to explain and prove the particular Hardships of their own Situation."

Moved, "That the said Two Petitions be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the several Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon at the same Time."

Ordered, That the said Two Petitions be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the several Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon at the same Time.

D. of Gloucester's Annuity Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Marquis of Graham and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for settling an Annuity of Nine Thousand Pounds, on His Royal Highness the Duke of Gloucester, in Lieu of the like Annuity payable out of the Duties of Four and Onehalf per Centum, in Barbadoes, and the Leeward Islands;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Glove Duty Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties on Licences, to be taken out by Persons vending Gloves or Mittens, and also certain Duties on Gloves and Mittens sold by Retail ;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Coals, &c. Duty Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for better securing the Duties upon Coals, Culm, and Cinders;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Duties, Transfer Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for transferring the Receipt and Management, of certain Duties therein mentioned, from the Commissioners of Excise and the Commissioners of Stamps respectively, to the Commissioners for the Affairs of Taxes; and also for making further Provisions in respect to the said Duties so transferred;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Post Horses Duty Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Gilbert and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for repealing the Duties on Licences, taken out by Persons letting Horses for the Purpose of travelling Post, and on Horses let to Hire for travelling Post, and by Time, and on Stage Coaches, and for granting other Duties in Lieu thereof, and also additional Duties on Horses let to Hire, for travelling Post and by Time ;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Five Bills were, severally, read the First Time.

Ireland, House in Committee on Resolutions of H. C. respecting,

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee, upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons, relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse, between Great Britain and Ireland; and for the Lords to be summoned:

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee thereupon.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported a further Progress.

Ordered, That the further Consideration of the said Irish Commercial Resolutions, be adjourned till To-morrow; and the Lords summoned.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Martis, vicesimum octavum diem instantis Junii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Martis, 28o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Bath. & Wells.
Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Ds. Camden, Præses.
Comes Gower, C. P. S.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Portland.
Dux Northumberland.
March. Lansdown.
Comes Derby.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Abingdon.
Comes Morton.
Comes Abercorn.
Comes Galloway.
Comes Aberdeen.
Comes Northington.
Comes Radnor.
Comes Chatham.
Viscount Weymouth.
Viscount Stormont.
Viscount Wentworth.
Viscount Dudley & Ward.
Viscount Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
Viscount Sackville.
Viscount Howe.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Howard de Walden.
Ds. Say & Sele.
Ds. Elphinstone.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Walpole.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Boston.
Ds. Hawke.
Ds. Brownlow.
Ds. Rivers.
Ds. Harrowby.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Rawdon.

PRAYERS.

D. Gloucester's Annuity Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for settling an Annuity of Nine Thousand Pounds on His Royal Highness the Duke of Gloucester, in Lieu of the like Annuity payable out of the Duties of Four and One Half per Centum in Barbadoes and the Leeward Islands."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Glove Duty Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties on Licences to be taken out by Persons vending Gloves or Mittens, and also certain Duties on Gloves and Mittens sold by Retail."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Coals &c. Duty Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for better securing the Duties upon Coal, Culm, and Cinders."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Transfer Duties Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for transferring the Receipt and Management of certain Duties therein mentioned from the Commissioners of Excise and the Commissioners of Stamps respectively, to the Commissioners for the Affairs of Taxes; and also for making further Provisions in Respect to the said Duties so transferred."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Post Horse Duty Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for repealing the Duties on Licences taken out by Persons letting Horses for the Purpose of travelling Post, and on Horses let to Hire for travelling Post and by Time, and on Stage Coaches, and for granting other Duties in Lieu thereof, and also additional Duties on Horses let to Hire for travelling Post and by Time."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Public Accounts Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for better examining and auditing the public Accounts of this Kingdom."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Coachmakers' Licences &c. Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties upon Licences to be taken out by Coachmakers, and also certain Duties upon Carriages to be built for Sale."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Pawnbrokers' Licences Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Stamp Duties on Licences to be taken out by Persons using or exercising the Trade or Business of a Pawnbroker."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Servants' Duty Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act to repeal the Duties on Male Servants, and for granting new Duties on Male and Female Servants."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Ireland, Petitions against Resolutions respecting, referred to Committee.

Upon reading the Petition of the Tanners, Curriers, Shoemakers, and others Manufacturers of Leather in Liverpool, whose Names are thereunto subscribed ; setting forth, "That the various Exports of Leather in Hides, Skins, and in more perfect States of Manufacture, as well as their inland Consumption, have long been an inestimable Fund of Wealth to this Kingdom, and given Employment to an infinite Number of His Majesty's faithful Subjects in every Part of this Nation: That some Enlargements of the Commerce of Ireland a few Years ago, have caused a considerable Decrease in the Foreign Demand for the different Articles in this Line of Trade, the Petitioners have therefore with inexpressible Concern, examined the Propositions for the Establishment of a new System of Commerce between Great Britain and Ireland, which threaten them in their several Departments with still further and greater Danger : That the numerous superior Advantages enjoyed by the Manufacturers of Leather in Ireland, above their Brethren here added to a heavy Excise Duty which the British Workman pays down in ready Money, afford too just Grounds for Fear, that these Propositions, if established by Law, will not only prove destructive to their remaining foreign Trade, but also greatly injure them in the Home Consumption;" and therefore praying, That these alarming Attempts upon the Commerce and Manufactures of Britain may, by the wise Interposition of their Lordships, be averted and done away:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions.

A Petition of the several Manufacturers whose Names are thereunto subscribed, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners understand that there are certain Resolutions under the Consideration of this House, by which the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland is to be finally regulated on permanent and equitable Principles: That the Petitioners and other Manufacturers are obliged in most Instances to communicate their Knowledge and Inventions, by which their respective Arts and Manufactures are perfected, to the Workmen employed in their respective Arts and Manufactures; that it is therefore in the Power of these Workmen so instructed to carry those Arts and Manufactures to any other Country, and that they have in many Instances done so; and the Petitioners are informed that several Agents are at this Instant employed to seduce their Workmen into foreign Service: That the Petitioners Interests are guarded by severe Laws against the Seducers of their Workmen into foreign Service, and likewise against the Workmen so seduced to leave their Country; but these Laws not in anywise extending to Ireland, their several Artists and Manufacturers are not only liable to be carried into that Nation, now independent of the Legislation of Great Britain, with perfect Security both to the Seducer and seduced, but a Door is by this Means left open for the Emigration of their Workmen through that Kingdom into any other foreign Parts, with equal Security, and the Laws now subsisting against the Emigration of their Workmen thereby rendered of no Effect, to the great Damage and Loss of the Petitioners, many of whom have their whole Property and Dependence for the Support of themselves and Families engaged in such Arts and Manufactures, and to the Diminution of the Strength of this Kingdom :" The Petitioners therefore trust and humbly pray, "That in the said Commercial Treaty with Ireland, which is to be equitable as well as final, that this House will take the Premises into Consideration, and grant such Relief to the Petitioners as to this House shall seem meet: And the Petitioners farther pray, That they may be heard by themselves or Counsel, in order to lay before this House the Difficulties and Dangers to which they will be exposed, if some Provision be not made for the Security of the Petitioners in the Premises."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon.

A Petition of the Paper Makers and Stationers of the City of London and its Neighbourhood, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, was presented and read ; setting forth, "That the Petitioners are informed that certain Resolutions of the House of Commons respecting Ireland are now under the Consideration of this House, which, if passed into a Law, the Petitioners apprehend will be highly prejudicial to the manufacturing Interests of this Kingdom in general, and to those of the Petitioners in particular: The Petitioners therefore beg leave to represent that their Trade to America and the West Indies hath suffered by the Concessions already granted to Ireland, that Country being able (as the Trade is now regulated) to undersell the Petitioners, and that unless some Regulations be speedily made in Favour of the Petitioners, both with respect to their Manufactures and foreign Trade, there is just Ground to fear that great Injury will be sustained by the Petitioners, and by the numerous Poor employed in their respective Branches;" and therefore praying their Lordships, "That they may be heard at the Bar of this House by themselves or Counsel against the passing of the said Propositions into a Law; and that their Lordships will grant such Relief as to this House shall seem right."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon.

House in Committee on said Resolutions.

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons, relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland; and for the Lords to be summoned :

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee thereupon.

House resumed.

After some Time, the House was resumed, for the Purpose of swearing Two Witnesses.

Petition of London Scap Makers against said Resolutions, referred to Committee.

A Petition of the Makers of Soap in London and its Neighbourhood, whose Names are thereunto subscribed, was presented and read; setting forth, "That the Petitioners are under very great Apprehensions of Danger to their Manufactures, if the Resolutions respecting a Commercial Treaty with Ireland now depending in this House should pass into a Law;" and therefore praying, "That Permission may be granted them to state by Counsel or by Evidences at the Bar of this House their well-grounded Fears, and that such Protection may be granted to them as in their Lordships' Wisdom may seem proper."

Moved, "That the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House appointed to consider the Irish Commercial Resolutions, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon."

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the said Committee, with Liberty for the Petitioners to be heard by themselves or Counsel thereupon.

House again in Committee.

The House was again adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported a further Progress.

Ordered, That the further Consideration of the said Irish Commercial Resolutions be adjourned till To-morrow ; and the Lords summoned.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Mercurii, vicesimum nonum diem instantis Junii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Mercurii, 29o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Dux Portland.
Comes Morton.
Comes Hopetoun.
Comes Northington.
Comes Radnor.
Viscount Dudley & Ward.
Viscount Mount Edgcumbe & Valletort.
Viscount Sackville.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Harrowby.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Rawdon.

PRAYERS.

Servants' Duty Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act to repeal the Duties on Male Servants; and for granting New Duties on Male and Female Servants."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Coachmakers' Licences, &c. Bill.

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties upon Licences to be taken out by Coachmakers; and also certain Duties upon Carriages to be built for Sale."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Pawnbrokers' Licences Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Stamp Duties on Licences to be taken out by Persons using or exercising the Trade or Business of a Pawnbroker."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Messages to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to the Three preceding Bills.

And Messages were, severally, sent to the House of Commons, by Mr.Eames and Mr. Montagu:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bills, without any Amendment.

Schrieber to take the Name of Lateward, Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir William Lemon and others:

To return the Bill, intituled, "An Act to enable John Schrieber Esquire, and the Heirs of his Body, to take and use the Surname and Arms of Lateward;" and to acquaint this House, That they have agreed to the same, without any Amendment.

Game Certificates Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for repealing an Act made in the Twenty-fourth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties on Certificates issued with respect to the killing of Game, and for granting other Duties in Lieu thereof."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Duke of Gloucester's Annuity Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for settling an Annuity of Nine thousand Pounds on His Royal Highness the Duke of Gloucester, in Lieu of the like Annuity payable out of the Duties of Four and one Half per Centum in Barbadoes and the Leeward Islands."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Glove Duty Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties on Licences to be taken out by Persons vending Gloves or Mittens, and also certain Duties on Gloves and Mittens sold by Retail."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Coals, &c. Duty Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for better securing the Duties upon Coals, Culm, and Cinders."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Post Horse Duty Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for repealing the Duties on Licences taken out by Persons letting Horses for the Purpose of travelling Post, and on Horses let to Hire for travelling Post, and by Time, and on Stage Coaches, and for granting other Duties in Lieu thereof; and also additional Duties on Horses let to Hire for travelling Post, and by Time."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Duties Transfer Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for transferring the Receipt and Management of certain Duties therein mentioned from the Commissioners of Excise, and the Commissioners of Stamps respectively to the Commissioners for the Affairs of Taxes; and also for making further Provisions in respect to the said Duties so transferred."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Public Accounts Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for better examining and auditing the Public Accounts of this Kingdom."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Persons to attend.

Ordered, That Robert Brooke Esquire, Mr. John Boulger, Mr. Mark Ash, and Mr. Joseph Butler, do attend this House To-morrow.

Ireland, House to be in Committee To-morrow, on Resolutions of H. C. respecting.

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britein and Ireland ; and for the Lords to be summoned:

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Irish Commercial Resolutions To-mormor ; and the Lords summoned.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Jovis, tricesimum diem instantis Junii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Jovis, 30o Junii 1785.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Archiep. Cantuar.
Epus. Bath. & Wells.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Bristol.
Ds. Thurlow, Cancellarius.
Ds. Camden, Præses.
Comes Gower, C. P. S.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Queensberry.
Dux Portland.
Comes Derby.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Cholmondeley.
Comes Morton.
Comes Galloway.
Comes Fitzwilliam.
Comes Northington.
Comes Aylesbury.
Comes Grosvenor.
Viscount Stormont.
Viscount Dudley & Ward.
Viscount Sackville.
Ds. Sydney, Unus Primariorum Secretariorum.
Ds. Howard de Walden.
Ds. Say & Sele.
Ds. Elphinstone.
Ds. Monfort.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Boston.
Ds. Hawke.
Ds. Harrowby.
Ds. Foley.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Rawdon.

PRAYERS.

D. Gloucester's Annuity Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for settling an Annuity of Nine Thousand Pounds on His Royal Highness the Duke of Gloucester, in Lieu of the like Annuity payable out of the Duties of Four and one Half per Centum, in Barbadoes and the Leeward Islands."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to it.

A Message was ordered to be sent to the House of Commons, by the Lord Chief Baron of the Court of Exchequer, and Mr. Baron Hotham:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bill, without any Amendment.

Glove Duty Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties on Licences to be taken out by Persons vending Gloves or Mittens, and also certain Duties on Gloves and Mittens sold by Retail."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Coals, &c. Duty Bill :

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for better securing the Duties upon Coals, Culm, and Cinders."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Post Horse Duty Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for repealing the Duties on Licences taken out by Persons letting Horses for the Purpose of travelling Post, and on Horses let to Hire for travelling Post and by Time, and on Stage Coaches, and for granting other Duties in Lieu thereof; and also additional Duties on Horses let to Hire for travelling Post and by Time."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Duties Transfer Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for transferring the Receipt and Management of certain Duties therein mentioned from the Commissioners of Excise and the Commissioners of Stamps respectively, to the Commissioners for the Affairs of Taxes, and also for making further Provisions in respect to the said Duties so transferred."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Public Accounts Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for better examining and auditing the Public Accounts of this Kingdom."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Messages to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to the Five preceding Bills.

And Messages were, severally, sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Eames and Mr. Montagu:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bills, without any Amendment.

Game Certificates Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for repealing an Act made in the Twenty-fourth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Duties on Certificates issued with respect to the killing of Game;" and for granting other Duties in Lieu thereof."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Ireland, House in Committee on Resolutions of H. C. respecting:

The Order of the Day being read for the House to resolve itself again into a Committee upon the Resolutions come to by the Commons relative to an Adjustment of the Commercial Intercourse between Great Britain and Ireland; and for the Lords to be summoned; and for the Attendance of several Persons:

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee thereupon.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And the Lord Scarsdale reported a further Progress.

House to be again in Committee thereon:

Moved, "That the House resolve itself into a Committee upon the Irish Commercial Resolutions on Friday the 8th of July."

Which being objected to;

An Amendment was proposed to be made to the said Motion, by leaving out ("Friday the 8th of July"), and inserting instead thereof ("Wednesday next").

After Debate,

The Question was put, "Whether the Words proposed to be left out shall stand Part of the Motion?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Ordered, That the House resolve itself into a Committee upon the Irish Commercial Resolutions on Friday the 8th of July; and the Lords summoned."

Evidence to be printed.

Ordered, That the Remainder of the Evidence taken before the Committee upon the Irish Commercial Resolutions, be printed for the Use of the House.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Veneris, primum diem Julii, jam prox. sequen. horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.