Die Lunæ, ultimo Januarii, 1641.
ORDERED, That the Book, intituled Noli me
tangere, be referred to the Consideration of the
Committee for Printing, to inquire out the Author and
That this Information of Richard Carmarthen, concerning Merchants Strangers of great Trading both Inward and Outwards, who do now endeavour to be naturalized by Parliament, be referred to the Committee for
Members sending Challenges.
Ordered, That Mr. Speaker shall have a Warrant to
stay, at any time, to apprehend and stay, such Members
of this House, as he shall be informed do either send
Challenges, or receive and entertain Challenges.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Griffith shall be
asked the Question, whether, since he was a Parliamentman, he sent any Challenge to any other Parliament-man:
Mr. Griffith answered, That some Six Months since,
he received some ill Words from the Lord Herbert, for
which he desired him to give him a Meeting; and he did
accordingly, and gave him very honourable Satisfaction;
and that, since that time, he never sent him any Challenge.
Ordered, That Mr. Heywood, of Grayes-inn, be forthwith summoned to appear before this House.
This Information following was given to this House,
of Words spoken by Mr. Tho. Ogle against Mr. Hollis,
a Member of this House:
Mr. Tho. Ogle (as Mr. Holles was passing through
Westminster-hall, with some other Members of the House
of Commons, to go to Dinner) went across by him, and
jostled him with his Elbow: Mr. Hollis pulled him by the
Skirt of his Cloak, and asked him why he jostled him:
Ogle replied, "By God, you lie, and you are a base Rascal; and, but that I know you to be of the House of
Commons, I would kick you;" or some such Word: Mr.
Hollis replied, "Then you know me to be of the House
of Commons:" He answered: "Yes; but you are a
base Villain, and I have better Blood in my Veins, and
am a better Gentleman:" and so continued in the like
reviling Terms, till Mr. Hollys left him: But he yet pursued the same in his Absence.
This was in Westminster-hall; the Court of Chancery
then sitting, and Mr. Holles being then in his Gown. It is
very likely he did this purposely, by reason of an old
Grudge he had against Mr. Holles.
The first Part of this Information was attested by Two
Members of this House: And it was offered, that there
were Two other Members of the House that could prove
the rest of the Information.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Captain Tho. Ogle
shall come in to the Bar, as a Delinquent.
Captain Ogle being at the Bar; Mr. Speaker told him,
that he was brought to the Bar, as a Delinquent, for giving
the reviling Words aforesaid to Mr. Gervase Hollis, a
Member of this House:
He did confess the Words; but said, he was provoked
by such Terms as he could not endure.
Sir Sa. Rolle, Mr. Sutton, Mr. Glyn, Sir Jo. Hotham,
Sir Ph. Stapilton, Sir Edw. Alford, Sir H. Heyman, Mr.
Rouse, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Sir Ra. Hopton, Sir Ro. Coke,
Mr. Long, Mr. Pury;
This Committee is to consider of the Information of
Words spoken by Captain Ogle against Mr. Jervase
Holles, a Member of this House; and upon what Occasion those Words were spoken: And they are to meet
To-morrow Morning, at Eight of Clock, in the Inner
Star-chamber: And have Power to send for Parties,
Witnesses, Papers, Records.
Members not to go out.
Ordered, That no Member shall go out without Leave.
Ordered, That Mr. Leigh be summoned to appear here
The House being informed, that there were some Gentlemen of Suff' at the Door, that desired to present a
Petition to the House; they were called in; and did
present their Petition in the Names of above Thirteen
thousand Gentlemen, &c. of the County of Suff'.
And then the Petition being read;
They were again called in: and Mr. Speaker, told ....
that, for their Care and Affections, he was commanded
to give them many and hearty Thanks:- For One Particular in the Petition, concerning Bishop Wren, they
had transmitted That Cause to the Lords; and for the
other Particulars in the Petition, they would take them
into Consideration in due time.
The House being informed, that there were certain
Artificers, poor People, at the Door, that had a Petition
to prefer, they were called in; and did prefer their Petition.
And then they withdrew.
And their Petition was read: Which being read;
They were again called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the
Command of the House, told them, that this House is
very sensible of their Sufferings; and that they have, and
will do their utmost Endeavours to relieve them of their
Grievances; and doubt not, but by God's Blessing upon
their Endeavours, and the Grace and Goodness of his
Majesty, to bring those Endeavours to a happy Issue for
your speedy Relief: And therefore do advise you with
Patience a little longer to expect the Effects of these
earnest Desires, and to behave themselves quietly in the
The poor Artificers were again called in: And Mr.
Speaker told them, by the Command of the House, that
they are very sensible of the Miseries they suffer: That
they will forthwith acquaint the Lords with their Petition,
and with what they say; and make no Question, but that
the Lords and They, together concurring, will be able
to find out the Causes; and to remove them: And therefore they advise you again with Patience to expect the
Event and Issue of their Endeavours.
The humble Petition of an infinite Number of poor
Tradesmen and Artificers in and about the Cities of London and Westminster, and the Suburbs thereof, concerning
the great Number of Aliens trading in these Cities and
Suburbs, and the Inconveniencies that are like to ensue
thereupon, was this Day read: And it is ordered to he
referred to the Committee for their Petition, of the like
Nature, presented to this House the 16th of Aug. last.
Ordered, That a Message be sent unto the Lords, to
desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses,
concerning a Petition this Day presented unto this
House, from a Multitude of poor People in and about
the City of London; and to deliver them the Petition;
and to acquaint their Lordships What the Petitioners
said at this Bar, concerning their great Miseries, and the
Causes of them: And they are to take Notice, that the
Necessity of this People bath transported them a little
beyond the usual Form that Petitioners use to address
Mr. Long is appointed to carry up this Message.
Mr. Hollis, Sir Phi. Stapilton, Mr. Hampden, are appointed to prepare Heads, and to manage this Conference.
Quarrelbetween Lord Herbert, &c.
Mr. Leigh was called in: And Mr. Speaker acquainted
him, "That there has been Information given unto this
House, that you knew something of a Quarrel that lately
was, and passed between Two Members of this House, the
Lord Herbert and Mr. Griffith: You are required by this
House to deliver your whole Knowledge of this Business."
He said "he knew nothing more of this Business, but
that it pleased yourself to send Information to the Earl
of Pembroke of such a Business last Night: And that
thereupon he sent to speak with Mr. Griffith."
King's Answer to Petition.
Mr. Pierrepoint reports from the Committee appointed
to consider of his Majesty's Answer, sent on Saturday
last, to the Petition presented from this House, on
Wednesday last, unto his Majesty, the Opinions and
Resolutions of that Committee.
Resolved, upon the Question, That his Majesty's
Answer to that Part of the Petition, to put the Tower of
London into the Hands of such a Person as this House
should recommend, is a Denial thereof.
Resolved, &c. That, whereas his Majesty desires a
particular Charge against the now Lieutenant of the
Tower, before he displace him, this House is of Opinion,
That this House being satisfied to advise his Majesty to
put the Tower into the Hands of such Person as they
should recommend unto him, is a sufficient Ground in
this Time of imminent Danger.
Resolved, &c. That his Majesty's Answer to that Part
of the Petition of this House, to put the principal Forts
of the Kingdom into the Hands of such Persons as they
should recommend unto him, is a Denial thereof.
Resolved, &c. 4. That whereas it is expressed in his
Majesty's Answer, that he is resolved to put the Forts
and Castles in such Hands only as the Parliament might
safely confide in, and that the Nomination of Persons to
such Places is a principal and inseparable Flower of the
Crown, the House is of Opinion, in this Time of imminent Danger, the Confidence of this House is necessarily to be expressed, by recommending fit Persons to
his Majesty; which is not derogatory to his Prerogative.
Resolved, &c. 5. That his Majesty's Answer, to that
Part of the Petition, to put the whole Militia of this
Kingdom into the Hands of such Persons as this House
should recommend to his Majesty, is a Denial thereof.
Resolved, &c. 6. That, whereas it is expressed in his
Majesty's Answer, that the Militia of the Kingdom, by the
Law, is subject to no Command but of his Majesty, and
of Authority lawfully derived from him; and, when any
particular Course for ordering the same shall be directed
by his Parliament, his Majesty will return such Answer
as shall be agreeable to his Honour, and the Safety of
his People; the House is of Opinion, that in this Time
of Danger, the House, not having Time, by a Bill, to
settle the Militia of the Kingdom, had just Cause for
their Petition; and his Majesty's granting thereof is not
Ordered, That these Resolutions, and this Report of
the Committee, shall be resumed, so soon as the House
returns from the House of Lords.
The Gentleman Usher came, and acquainted this
House that the Lords were ready, by Commission, to
pass the Bill of Tonage and Poundage; and did desire,
that this House would be present at the Passing thereof.
That the Committee of Informations shall examine
the Footman that is apprehended, upon the Information
of Words that he should speak, viz. "Down with the
Puritan, and up with the Papist;" and that withal, at
the Uttering of these Words, he laid his Hand on his
Supplies for Ireland.
The Company of Drapers, as the House was informed, offered the Gift of an Hundred Quarters of
Wheat, either in Meal or Bisket, to be disposed of, as
this House should think fit, for the Service of Ireland:
The Company of Fishmongers a Hundred Quarters of
Wheat, or a Hundred and Fifty Pounds in Money:
The Company of Merchant Taylors Two hundred
Pounds in Money, for the Relief of Londonderry.
The Company of Drapers were called in; and Mr.
Speaker told them, that the House did give them
Thanks for their Offer: And did thank them for it.
Ordered, That these particular Offers of the Companies, concerning the Supply of Ireland, be reported to
the Committee for Irish Affairs; to consider how these
Supplies may be disposed of.
Corn for Ireland
Ordered, That Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer shall
move his Majesty, That a Privy Seal may be granted,
that the Corn transported into Ireland for the Relief of
that Kingdom, may be transported Custom-free; the
Merchants giving good Security, to deliver it at such
Ports as they shall be assigned unto by the Committee
for Irish Affairs.
Ordered, That Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Lisle,
Mr. Glyn, Mr. Browne, and Mr. Whittlock, do peruse the
Articles of the great Treaty, and consider of a Form of
Acquittance, to be given by the Scotts Commissioners for
the Receipt of Ten thousand Pounds, now assigned to be
paid unto them, in Part of the Brotherly Assistance.
Stores for Ireland.
This House is of Opinion, and doth so Order, That
Twenty Last of Powder, more than hath already been
delivered out of his Majesty's Stores for the Service of
Ulster, be delivered out of his Majesty's Stores for the
Service of that Province with a double Weight of Match;
and that, of this Twenty Last, Five may be of Cannon
Powder; and likewise, that a proportionable Quantity
of Lead; and at least Twelve hundred Three Pound
Bullets for Field Pieces: And
It is farther Ordered, That the Lords be desired to
join with this House, to move his Majesty, that a Warrant may be granted unto the Master of the Ordnance
for the Delivery of these Particulars, for the farther
Service of Ulster in Ireland.
Ordered, That the Customers, and other Officers be
required from this House, that if any Warrant do come
unto them, for the Issuing out of any Monies paid in
upon the Bill of Tonage and Poundage which passed
this Day, that they do forbear to issue the same, till
such time as they do first acquaint this House therewith:
And the Serjeant is required to give them speedy Notice
of this Order.
Petition tothe King,touching theFive Members.
Mr. Glyn reports from the Committee, another Petition to be presented, in the Name of both Houses, to
his Majesty, touching the Five Members of this House,
in haæc Verba;
To the King's most Excellent Majesty;
The humble Petition of the Lords and Commons, now
assembled in Parliament,
THAT, whereas your Majesty, by a Message sent to
both Houses of Parliament, signified an Apprehension
of some treasonable Matter, to have been committed
by the Lord Kimbolton, Mr. Hollis, Sir Arth. Hasilrig,
Mr. Pym, Mr. Hampden, and Mr. Strode; and thereby
declared your Majesty's Intention to proceed against
them in an unquestionable Way: We the Lords and
Commons, in this Parliament assembled, did make our
humble Petition to your Majesty, to beseech your
Majesty to give Directions, that your Parliament might
be informed, before Tuesday then next ensuing, what
Proof there was against them; that accordingly there
might be a legal and parliamentary Proceeding against
them, whereby they might be brought to condign Punishment, if guilty; or discharged from so heavy an Accusation, if innocent:
And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased,
in Answer to that Petition, to express Your good Approbation of the Desire of both Houses, for the speedy
Proceeding against the Persons in that Petition mentioned; yet Your Majesty gave no other Satisfaction to
their Desire than this; That Your Majesty held it
necessary, lest a new Mistake should breed more Delays,
that it should be resolved, whether Your Majesty were
bound, in respect of Privileges, to proceed against them
by Impeachment in Parliament; or to be left at Liberty
to prefer an Indictment at the Common Law, in the
usual Way; or have your Choice of either: And we find
still, that there is no legal and parliamentary Proceedings
against them; and that they still lie under the Burden
of that high Charge:
We think it our Duty once again to beseech Your
Majesty, to give Directions, that Your Parliament may
be informed, before Friday next, what Proof there is
against them, that accordingly they may be called to a
legal Trial: It being the undonbted Right and Privilege
of Parliament, That no Member of Parliament can be
proceeded against without the Consent of Parliament.
And this we most humbly conceive ourselves obliged
to ask; it being no less agreeable with Justice to have
the Innocency of Parties, unjustly charged, manifested,
than to bring the Nocent to their just Punishment.
Money for Ireland.
Ordered, That To-morrow Morning, at Ten of the
Clock, the House do take into Consideration the Providing of Monies for the Relief of Ireland, and the Setting
forth of Ships to Sea: And no Business to intervene.
Lieut. of the Tower.
The humble Petition of Sir Geo. Garrett and Sir Geo.
Clarke, Knights, Aldermen and Sheriffs of the City of
London, concerning the Licutenant of the Tower his
Refusal to suffer a Guard to be set about the Tower;
according to the Order of both Houses.
Ordered, That the Licutenant of the Tower be summoned to attend this House To-morrow Morning, at
Ten of the Clock.
Arms and Ammunition.
Ordered, That, it be referred to the Committee for
Gun-powder to consider how the Kingdom may be
furnished with Arms and Ammunition; and that the
Committee for Powder shall meet To-morrow, at Eight
of Clock, in the usual Place.
King's Answer to Petition.
Ordered, That the Committee appointed to consider
of the King's Answer to the Petition of this House, concerning the Putting the Kingdom into a Posture of
Defence, do take into Consideration the Votes passed
concerning the same; and to put the same into the Form
of a Declaration: And also to consider of the Clause,
in his Majesty's Answer of "Desires contrary to the
fundamental Laws of the Land:" And also of the Clause,
which That Committee gave Order for the Reporting
thereof unto the House: And Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Rigby,
Mr. Hill, Mr. White, Mr. Whitlocke, Mr. Browne, and
Mr. Maynard, are added to that Committee: And are
to meet To-morrow, at Eight... Clock, in the Inner
Court . . . Wards.
Mr. Perepoint reports an Order concerning the Disposing the whole Militia of the Kingdom: Which was read,
and put to the Question; and by Vote assented unto.
Whereas there hath been of late a most dangerous and
desperate Design upon the House of Commons, which
we have just Cause to believe, to be an Effect of the
bloody Counsels of Papists, and other ill-affected Persons, who have already raised a Rebellion in the Kingdom of Ireland; and by reason of many Discoveries, we
cannot but fear they will proceed, not only to stir up the
like Rebellion and Insurrection in this Kingdom of
England, but also to back them with Forces from
abroad: For the Safety therefore of his Majesty's Person, the Parliament, and Kingdom, in this Time of so
imminent Danger, it is ordained, by the King, the Lords,
and Commons, now in Parliament assembled, That
shall have Power to assemble,
and call together, all and singular his Majesty's Subjects,
within the County of as well within
Liberties as without, that are meet and fit for the Wars;
and them to train, exercise, and put in Readiness; and
them, after their Abilities and Faculties, well and sufficiently, from time to time, to cause to be arrayed and
weaponed; and to take the Musters of them in Places
most fit for that Purpose. And
shall have Power, within the said County to nominate
and appoint such Persons of Quality, as to him shall
seem meet, to be his Deputy Lieutenant to be approved
of by both Houses of Parliament; and that any One or
more of the said Deputies, so assigned and approved of,
shall, in the Absence, and by the Command, of the said
have Power and Authority to do
and execute, within the County, all such Powers and
Authorities, before in this present Ordinance contained.
And shall have Power to make Colonels
and Captains, and other Officers; and to remove out of
their Places, and to make others, from time to time, as
he shall think fit for that Purpose. And
his Deputies, Colonels and Captains, and other Officers,
shall have further Power and Authority to lead, conduct,
and employ, the Persons aforesaid, as well within the
County of as within any other Part of this
Realm of England, or Dominion of Wales, arrayed and
weaponed, for the Suppression of all Rebellions, Insurrections, and Invasions, that may happen, according as
they, from time . . time, shall receive Directions by his
Majesty's Authority, signified unto them by the Lords
and Commons, assembled in Parliament.-
This to go also to the Dominion of Wales.
Mr. Perpoint to carry up this to the Lords.-
And that every the Powers, granted as aforesaid, shall
continue, until it shall be otherwise ordered or declared by
both Houses of Parliament, and no longer.
Ordered, That the Committee appointed to meet with
the Committee of the Lords, to consider of the Safety of
the Kingdom, shall present this Order to that Committee:
And likewise the Grounds and Reasons to induce this
House to make this Order.
Charge against Duke of Richmond.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leeche
and Doctor Bennett;
The Lords desire, that, according to your Offer at the
Conference, you would presently send up Mr. Perd and
Sir Hen. Hayman, to be examined, upon Oath, concerning the Charge against the Duke of Richmond.
Ordered, That Mr. Peard be forthwith sent for.
Answer returned by the same Messenger; That Sir
Hen. Heyman shall come presently to be examined; and
that they have sent for Mr. Peard to come also to be
Trial of the Bishops.
Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Ayloffe and
The Lords have put off the Trial of the Bishops, in
regard of their great Affairs, till Friday next; and that
the Lords Committees, in the mean time, will be ready
to examine such Witnesses as this House shall produce.
Petitions sent to Lords.
Mr. Glyn is appointed to go to the Lords, with the
Petition concerning the Five Members of this House.