DIE Sabbati, 23 die Novembris.
Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes
Epus.Litch. et Cov.
|Sir Orlando Bridgman, Miles et Bar. Ds. Custos Magni Sigilli.
RobertusComesLyndsey, Magnus CamerariusAngliæ.
EdwardusComesManchester, Camerarius Hospitii.
Vicecomes Say & Seale.
|Ds. Arlington, One of the Principal Secretaries of State.
Ds. Berkeley de Berk.
Ds. Arundell de Warder.
Ds. Howard de Charlt.
Ds. Howard de Esc.
Ds. Gerard de Brand.
Ds. Arundell de Trerice.
Heads for a Conference about the Commons desiring a Conference, when previously desired by the Lords on the same Subject.
The Lord Chamberlain reported the Reasons prepared by the Committee to fortify the Resolves of this
House made Yesterday.
Which Reasons were read, as follows:
"Reasons of the First Resolve:
"First, The House of Lords have no Way of communicating their Consent or Dissent to the House of
Commons, but by Conference or Message, either of
which they may use as they think fit.
"2dly, Without this Liberty, there can be no Prevention (or deciding) of Differences in Opinion between
the Two Houses, for preserving a fair Correspondence.
"3dly, There appears no Precedent in Parliament of
the like Proceeding from the House of Commons towards the Lords.
"4thly, It was very unequal for the House of Commons to desire or expect that from the House of
Lords, which they declined the granting them.
"5thly, For aught known to the House of Commons, the Conference desired might be to consent to
their Desires; and therefore, upon meer Apprehension
of the contrary, it is not proper for the House of
Commons to wave a Conference with the Lords.
"Reasons of the Second Resolve.
"1st. After Reasons given by the House of Commons against an Answer of their Lordships to the
Desires of that House, the constant Practice in Parliament hath been, either to declare Agreement and
Consent by Conference or Message, or to offer Reasons
to balance or answer the Reasons of the House of
Commons, in order to a Free Conference if desired;
or, in Cases not admitting a Free Conference, to deliver a positive Resolution.
"2dly, There being no standing Rule when a Free
Conference is to be desired, it cannot be unparliamentary at any Time not to desire it; but that House
which finds Occasion for it, may desire the same.
"3dly, The Proceedings of the Lords stand justified
by constant former Practice.
"4thly, Without this Liberty in either House, it
would be in the Power of either House to bring the
other to a Free Conference at great Inequality, and
before the Subject-matter were ripe for it.
"5thly, Upon any Nicety or Advantage that might
be taken in Circumstances, the Lords have never nor
will refuse a Free Conference, where the Matter is
capable of it."
These Reasons being approved of, the House resolved,
they should be offered, with the Two Resolves, to the
House of Commons, at a Conference.
Message to H. C. for a Conference.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir
Justinian Lewin and Sir William Glascock:
To desire a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, upon the Subject-matter of the last Conference.
E. North'ton's Privilege. French & al. to make their Acknowledgements to him for arresting Capes his Servant;
This Day Richard French, and Richard Gibbons, and
Robert Barret, were brought to the Bar of this House,
and charged with their Offence, of arresting Arthur
Capes, Servant to the Earl of North'ton, contrary to the
Privilege of Parliament.
They confessed, "That, they being assigned by the
Under Sheriffs special Bailiffs, they did arrest the said
Arthur Capes, the 10th of October last, at the Suit of
Sir Peter Wentworth; but did not know the said Capes
to be Servant to the Earl of North'ton."
Sir Peter Wentworth sent for about it.
Hereupon the House ORDERED, That the said French,
Gibbons, and Barrett, shall make their Acknowledgment
of their Offences to the Earl of North'ton; and then
this House will take their Releasement into Consideration: It is further ORDERED, That Sir Peter Wentworth
shall be summoned to attend this House on Monday
Morning next, at Ten of the Clock.
Prizing Wines Bill.
ORDERED, That the Committee for the Bill concerning Prizing of Wines do meet on Wednesday next, in
Bill for taxing the Fens.
ORDERED, That the Bill concerning taxing the Fens
shall be read the Second Time on Monday Morning next.
Answer from H. C.
The Messengers sent to the House of Commons with
the Message return with this Answer:
That the House of Commons will give a Conference,
as is desired.
The same Lords are appointed to manage this Conference, as prepared the Reasons for it.
Conference about Conferences being demanded by the Houses.
Then the House was adjourned during Pleasure, and
the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended,
the House was resumed.
The Earl of Anglesey gave the House an Account,
That he and the rest of the Lords that were appointed
to manage this Conference have performed their
Lordships Commands, in acquainting the House of
Commons with the Two Resolves, and the Reasons
Mangy, D. of Bucks' Servant, in the King's Bench, a Habeas Corpus.
Whereas, upon an Order of this House, dated the
21th of November, Instant, directed to the Keeper of the
King's Bench Prison, for the Discharge of George Mangy,
menial Servant to the Duke of Bucks, a Peer of this
Realm, being under Restraint in the said Prison, occasioned by his being arrested, in the Beginning of
November, 1665, within the Time of Privilege of Parliament contrary to the Privilege of Parliament, Sir
John Lenthall Knight, Marshal of the said Prison, hath,
by his Petition, shewed to this House, "That the said
George Mangy is since charged with several great
Actions and Executions, to the Satisfaction whereof
the said Sir John Lenthall is liable, as he is informed;
and therefore prays that he may be indemnified in such
Manner as this House shall think meet:"
It is thereupon ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and
Temporal in Parliament assembled, That His Majesty's
Writ of Habeas Corpus cum Causa be awarded, and directed to the Marshal of the King's Bench Prison, commanding him to bring the Body of the said George Mangy
before the Lords in Parliament, on Friday the Twentyninth Day of this Instant November, at Ten of the
Clock in the Morning.
Order to accommodate the Lords sitting in the Painted Chamber at Conference s.
ORDERED, That it be referred to the Committee for
Privileges, to consider of some Way how the Lords of
this House may be better accommodated in their Sitting in
the Painted Chamber than formerly, during the Times
of Conferences with the House of Commons; and to report to the House what they shall think fit to be done
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Lunæ, 25um
diem instantis Novembris, hora decima Aurora, Dominis
Hitherto examined by us,