House of Lords Journal Volume 11
22 April 1664

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 11: 22 April 1664', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 11: 1660-1666 (1767-1830), pp. 598-600. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=14391 Date accessed: 30 August 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 22 die Aprilis.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

His Royal Highness the Duke of Yorke.
Arch. Cant.
Epus. London.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Ely.
Epus. Worcester.
Epus. St. Asaph.
Epus. Lyncolne.
Epus. Carlile.
Epus. Bristol.
Epus. Norwich.
Epus. Gloucester.
Epus. Cov. et Litch.
Epus. Hereford.
Epus. Chester.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Petriburgh.
Epus. Oxon.
Dux Cumberland.
Ds. Thesaurarius Angl.
Dux Richmond.
Marq. Winton.
Marq. Worcester.
L. Great Chamberlain.
L. Chamberlain.
Comes Oxon.
Comes Shrewsbury.
Comes Bedford.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Exon.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes North'ton.
Comes Warwick.
Comes Devon.
Comes Midd.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Berks.
Comes Cleveland.
Comes Petriburgh.
Comes Newport.
Comes Portland.
Comes Norwich.
Comes Scarsdale.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Comes Bath.
Viscount Mountagu.
Viscount Say et Seale.
Viscount Campden.
Viscount Fauconberg.
Ds. Abergaveny.
Ds. Awdley.
Ds. Delawar.
Ds. Berkley de B.
Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Paget.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Petre.
Ds. Arundell.
Ds. Howard de Ch.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Craven.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Howard de Esc.
Ds. Mohun.
Ds. Seymour.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Newport.
Ds. Vaughan.
Ds. Widdrington.
Ds. Clifford.
Ds. Lucas.
Ds. Lexington.
Ds. Wotton.
Ds. Crofts.
Ds. Berkley Strat.
Ds. Cornwallis.
Ds. Townsend.
Ds. Ashley.
Ds. Crewe.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas sat Speaker this Day.

Froome Forest, E. of Orrery's Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for confirming Eight Hundred Acres of Land, Parcel of the late Forest of Froome Letwood, unto the Earl of Orrory and his Heirs."

ORDERED, That the Consideration of this Bill is committed to these Lords following:

L. Treasurer.
L. Chamberlain.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Devon.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Newport.
Comes Portland.
Comes Norwich.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Comes Bath.
Viscount Say et Seale.
Viscount Campden.
Epus. London.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Lyncolne.
Epus. Carlile.
Epus. Sarum.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Paget.
Ds. Petre.
Ds. Howard Ch.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Craven.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Mohun.
Ds. Lexington.
Ds. Crewe.

Mr. Attorney General to attend their Lordships.

Their Lordships, or any Five; to meet on Wednesday next, at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Prince's Lodgings.

Message from H. C. for a Conference about Foreign Trade.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Clifford and others:

To desire a Conference, concerning some Matter relating to the Foreign Trade.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber.

The Lord Treasurer, Lord Chamberlain, the Earl of Bridgwater, Earl of Anglesey, Bishop of Winton, the Lord Mohun, and the Lord Ashley, are appointed to report this Conference with the House of Commons.

L. Fauconberg, Leave to go Abroad.

ORDERED, That the Lord Viscount Fauconberg have Leave to go beyond the Seas, for his Health.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Report of the Conference concerning Foreign Trade.

The Lord Chamberlain reported the Effect of the last Conference with the House of Commons, which was managed by Mr. Clifford; who told their Lordships, "That the House of Commons had taken into Consideration the great Obstruction that was in our Foreign Trade; and they had good Cause to believe that the Hollanders were the Occasion; and gave several Instances of it; and said, That the greatest Sufferers by them were,

"1. The East India Company; who chiefly insist upon the Depredations and Wrongs done to them since 1656, to the Value of One Hundred Forty and Eight Thousand Pounds, in Ships and Goods taken from them by the Dutch; and Eighty-seven Thousand Pounds Loss, in a reasonable Valuation, in their Factories burnt and spoiled by them; most of which hath been done since His Majesty's happy Restoration.

"They also complain, that Pularoone hath been possessed by the Dutch these Two and Forty Years, so far against all Right and Justice, that The States themselves do not pretend a Title to it; but in all Treaties have accorded for the Surrender of it, and yet do still forcibly detain it; and more especially it was agreed upon the last Treaty that it should be delivered up; and to that Purpose Letters were written by The States, and Two Ships were sent to take Possession of the said Island, which amounted to the Charge of Twenty and Three Thousand Pounds the last Year; yet, contrary to this Agreement, The States privately writ Letters under-hand, that it should not be delivered up.

"This Company complains of several other Ways and Methods that the Dutch practise in India to obstruct our Trade:

"1. They pretend War against all Places where the English plant any Factories for Trade, and then declare War against the Kings of that Place, and send some Ships to lie before them, to hinder the English of their Trade; so that the War they make is but in Shew against those Territories, but in Reality against the English.

"2. By Pretence of Agreement with the Kings of those Countries for the chief Commodities, they hinder the English from any Trade, and shoot at our Boats that go to land, alledging they have bought all the Commodities, when in Reality there is no such Thing.

"3. When these Arts fail them, they do in a hostile Manner seize and keep the Ships and Vessels of the English.

"4. They proclaim themselves Lords of the South Sea; and, in Contempt, shoot at, and use other Indignities to, our Royal Flag, thereby affronting His Majesty and this Nation.

"Another Sort of Sufferers are the Turky Company; who complain, That, since His Majesty's Restoration, the Dutch have taken Two Ships from them, to the Value of One Hundred and Ten Thousand and Five Hundred Pounds, under Pretence of Letters of Mart from the King of Spaine, after that King had recalled all such Patents, and had proclaimed Amity with His Majesty. This Dutch Man of War was both built and manned in Holland.

"The Royal Company complain,

"1. That the Dutch have endeavoured to drive them from the Coast of Affrica, and deprive them of their whole Trade, by following their Ships from Port to Port, to interrupt by Force any Commerce between them and the Negroes.

"2. They have persuaded the Negroes to destroy their Servants and Forts.

"3. They have seized and detained their Goods and Boats.

"4. They have lately taken into their Hands, and do now possess, the Fort of Cabo Corse, which doth rightfully belong to the English.

"5. They have shot at His Majesty's Royal Flag, in offering to go ashore to our own Factories.

"6. They have sent Two Protests to the English, requiring them to desist from settling their Factories upon that Coast; and if they refuse, they will use Violence; and declare the Eng. to be the Cause of War.

"Also the Portugall Merchants complain, That a Dutch Man of War, called The Sluce of Flushing, did assault and keep The Brazill Frigot, belonging to them, worth Sixteen Thousand Pounds.

"Likewise the Traders into Affrica, before the Incorporation of the Royal Company, complain of Losses received of the Dutch, of at least Three Hundred and Thirty Thousand Pounds; some of their Ships sunk and burnt; and, after taking of some other Ships, their Men killed and poisoned in cold Blood, others stript and turned ashore in the barbarous Countries; Four of which afterward, by great Providence, returned into England; Two of them testified it in Holland, vivâ voce, and to the Faces of those that had done the Wrong.

"For all which Injuries and Wrongs, they have not yet made the least Satisfaction, notwithstanding Proofs have been made upon Oath in the Admiralty, and Satisfaction hath been demanded by His Majesty's Envoys Extraordinary.

"All which amount,

£.
By Damages upon Ships and Goods to
the East India Company, unto
148,000
For burning and spoiling their Factories, 87,000
Unto the Turky Company, 110,500
Unto the Portugall Merchants, 16,000
To the particular Traders to the Coast
of Affrica,
330,000
For Two Ships Charge to receive Pularoone, 23,000
Sum Total, £. 714,500

"Besides the Loss of Pularoone, which, by a just Compensation, is above Four Millions."

The House of Commons, upon serious Consideration of this Business, have made a Vote; to which they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

The said Vote was read, as follows:

Vote to desire the King will take some Measures to protect Foreign Trade from the Depredations of the Dutch.

"Resolved, by the and Commons assembled in Parliament,

"That the Wrongs, Dishonours, and Indignities, done to His Majesty by the Subjects of The United Provinces, by invading of His Rights, in India, Affrica, and elsewhere, and the Damages, Affronts, and Injuries, done by them to our Merchants, are the greatest Obstruction of our Foreign Trade; and that the same be humbly and speedily presented to His Majesty; and that He be most humbly moved, to take some speedy and effectual Course for the Redress thereof, and all other of the like Nature, and for the Prevention of the like in future; and, in Prosecution thereof, they will with their Lives and Fortunes assist His Majesty, against all Oppositions whatsoever."

ORDERED, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Vote.

Message to H. C. for both Houses to attend the King with it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Baron Atkins and Justice Tyrrell:

To let them know, that the Lords have agreed with them in the Vote which they delivered at the Conference this Day; and that the Lords intend to wait upon His Majesty in a Body, and desire their Concurrence in going with them in a Body, to acquaint His Majesty with this their Vote; and that the Lords will send to know what Time His Majesty will appoint them to attend Him, and will acquaint the House of Commons therewith.

Committees adjourned.

ORDERED, That those Committees as were appointed to sit this Afternoon are hereby put off until Tuesday Morning next, at Nine of the Clock.

Adjourn.

Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius de Com. Placit. declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Martis, videlicet, 26um diem instantis Aprilis, hora decima Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.

Hitherto examined by us,

J. Bridgewater.
Bolingbrooke.
Norwich.
Howard Of Ch. Et Andever.