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26 March 1830

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Veneris, 26 die Martii; Anno 11 Georgii IV ti Regis, 1830.
Ireland- Papers, presented Grand Jury Presentments. No. 196. Committals. Report on Roads and Bridges. No. 198. House of Industry. No. 176. Public Works. No. 190. Report, &c. relating to Sir Jonah Barrington, sent to the Lords. Copy of Evidence on East Retford Bill, sent to the Lords. Power to a Committee. Little Bolton Improvement Bill, presented. Petition against St. Helen's and Runcorn Gap Railway Bill. Rawcliffe Inclosure Bill, passed. Queensferry Roads Bill, committed. Greenwich Improvement Petition, reported. Haymarket Removal Bill, reported. Report from Committee on Standing Orders. Petition for Provision in Breconshire Roads Bill. Petitions against Renewal of East India Charter. Petition against throwing open the Trade in Beer. Petitions complaining of Agricultural Distress. Catterick Bridge and Durham Road Bill, passed. Returns, &c. to be printed. No. 205. Petition against Apothecaries Act (Dublin.) Ireland-Accounts, &c. ordered: Firsts Fruits Butter Trade. Returns to be printed. No. 200. Nos. 201, 202, 203. No. 204. Petitions for repeal of Duty on Hops. Petition respecting Labourers Wages. Petition for repeal of Corn Laws. Petition for Remission of Duty on Beer The Lords have agreed to West Cowgate (Newcastle) Road Bill. Committee on Four-per-Cent. Annuities Acts. Adjournment. Committee of Supply. Sabbati, 27 die Martii, 1830: Correspondence, &c. ordered: Naval Hospital, (Malta). Pembroke Yard Chapel. Ecclesiastical Leases (Ireland) Bill, deferred. Committee on Leases of Lands (Ireland) Bill. Consideration of Resolutions of Supply, deferred. Ways and Means, deferred. Galway Franchise Bill, deferred. Members added to a Committee

Veneris, 26 die Martii; Anno 11 Georgii IV ti Regis, 1830.

PRAYERS.

Ireland- Papers, presented Grand Jury Presentments. No. 196.

THE House being informed that Mr. Johnson, from the Office of the Chief Secretary for Ireland, attended at the door, he was called in; and at the bar presented to the House, pursuant to the directions of several Acts of Parliament,-Accounts of Presentments made by the Grand Juries of the several Counties, Cities and Towns in Ireland, in the year 1829.

Committals.

Returns from the Clerks of the Crown and Clerks of the Peace of the several Counties, &c. in Ireland, of the number of Persons committed to the different Gaols thereof for trial, in the year 1829.

Report on Roads and Bridges. No. 198.

The Fifth Report of the Commissioners appointed under the Act 6 Geo. 4, c. 101, to provide for the repairing, maintaining and keeping in repair certain Roads and Bridges in Ireland.

House of Industry. No. 176.

Mr. Johnson also presented to the House, pursuant to their Orders,-A Copy of a Letter from the Right honourable Lord Francis Leveson Gower, dated 14th December 1829, to the Visitors of the House of Industry, Dublin, respecting the Expenses and Management of that Institution.

Public Works. No. 190.

Copy of a Report of Mr. Nimmo, on the progress of the Public Works in the Western District of Ireland, in the year 1829:-And then he withdrew.

Ordered, That the said Papers do lie upon the Table; and that the Abstract of the Grand Jury Presentments, and the other Papers, be printed.

Report, &c. relating to Sir Jonah Barrington, sent to the Lords.

The House proceeded to take into consideration that part of the Message from the Lords, of yesterday, which requests that this House will be pleased to communicate to their Lordships a Copy of the Report made from the Select Committee appointed by this House to take into consideration the Eighteenth Report of the Commissioners of Judicial Inquiry in Ireland, together with the Deposition forwarded to those Commissioners by Sir Jonah Barrington, Judge of the High Court of Admiralty in Ireland, and other Papers connected with the Conduct of Sir Jonah Barrington, in the discharge of his Judicial functions.

Ordered, That a printed Copy of the said Report and Deposition be communicated to the Lords, as is desired by their Lordships in their said Message: And that Sir Alexander Grant do deliver the same.

Copy of Evidence on East Retford Bill, sent to the Lords.

The House proceeded to take into consideration that part of the Message from the Lords, of yesterday, which requests that this House will be pleased to communicate to their Lordships a Copy of the Evidence upon which this House passed the Bill, intituled, "An Act to prevent Bribery and Corruption in the Election of Burgesses to serve in Parliament for the Borough of East Retford."

Ordered, That a printed Copy of the said Evidence be communicated to the Lords, as is desired by their Lordships in their said Message: And that Sir Alexander Grant do deliver the same.

Power to a Committee.

Ordered, That the Committee on the Bill for more effectually repairing and improving several Roads in the Counties of Brecon, Radnor and Glamorgan, and for making and maintaining several new Branches of Road to communicate therewith, have leave to sit To-morrow, notwithstanding any adjournment of the House.

Little Bolton Improvement Bill, presented.

Lord Stanley presented a Bill for more effectually cleansing, lighting, watching, regulating and improving the Town of Little Bolton, in the County Palatine of Lancaster: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time.

Petition against St. Helen's and Runcorn Gap Railway Bill.

A Petition of William Hurst, of West-Bank House, in the county of Lancaster, Esquire, was presented, and read; taking notice of the Bill for making a Railway from the Cowley-Hill Colliery, in the Parish of Prescot, to Runcorn Gap, in the same Parish, with several Branches therefrom, all in the County Palatine of Lancaster, and for constructing a Wet Dock at the termination of the said Railway at Runcorn Gap aforesaid; and praying, That he may be heard by himself, his counsel or agent against certain parts thereof.

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee on the Bill; and that the Petitioner be heard by himself, his counsel or agents upon his Petition, if he think fit.

Ordered, That counsel be admitted to be heard in favour of the Bill, against the said Petition.

Rawcliffe Inclosure Bill, passed.

An ingrossed Bill for dividing and inclosing certain Moss and other Grounds, in the Townships of Out Rawcliffe and Middle Rawcliffe, and Stalmine-with-Stainhall, in the Parishes of Saint Michael-upon-Wyer and Lancaster, in the County Palatine of Lancaster, was read the third time.

Resolved, That the Bill do pass: And that the title be, An Act for dividing and inclosing certain Moss and other Grounds in the Manors and Townships of Out Rawcliffe and Middle Rawcliffe, and Stalmine-with-Stainhall, in the Parishes of Saint Michael-upon-Wyer and Lancaster, in the County Palatine of Lancaster.

Ordered, That Lord Stanley do carry the Bill to the Lords, and desire their concurrence.

Queensferry Roads Bill, committed.

A Bill for more effectually repairing and keeping in repair the Road from Cramond Bridge to the Town of Queensferry; the Road leading westward therefrom, through Dalmeny to Echline; and the Road from the West end of the said Town of Queensferry to the Town of Linlithgow, in the County of Linlithgow, was read a second time; and committed to Sir Alexander Hope, &c.: And they are to meet this Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber.

Greenwich Improvement Petition, reported.

Sir Edward Knatchbull reported from the Committee on the Petition of several Inhabitants of the parish of Greenwich, in the county of Kent, and the Vicar and Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor of the said Parish, and several of the Feoffees in trust of certain estates in the said parish and elsewhere, formerly belonging to John Roan, Esquire, and others; That the Standing Orders relative to Bills for improving any City or Town, had not been complied with; but it appeared to the Committee, that it was only by the recent destruction by fire of some houses, that the opportunity has been offered of effecting the important and beneficial Improvements thereinafter mentioned; and it was not considered practicable to effect the proposed Improvements until within the last fortnight, when, at a very full and respectable meeting of the Inhabitants, it was unanimously resolved to solicit Subscriptions to effect the same, which Subscriptions, to a large amount, have been already obtained, and that a further sum sufficient for the purposes may be raised by the appropriation of a certain sum out of the Church and Highways Rates, and from other sources; and it further appeared to the Committee, that if the necessary Powers be not obtained in the present Session, the Improvements must be abandoned, as engagements have been entered into for the reinstatement of the Buildings, and letting the same on lease; and that they had examined the matter of the Petition; and the Report was brought up, and read.

Ordered, That the Report be referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders.

Haymarket Removal Bill, reported.

Lord Viscount Lowther reported from the Committee on the Bill for removing the Market at present held for the Sale of Hay and Straw from the Haymarket, and for establishing Markets for the Sale of Hay, Straw, and other Articles, in York Square, Clarence Gardens, and Cumberland Market, in the Parish of Saint Pancras, in the County of Middlesex; and to whom the Petitions of Anthony Barto' Valle, of the Haymarket, Esquire; of John Powell, of James-street, Haymarket; of Landowners, Farmers, Hay-salesmen, Livery-stable Keepers, Cow-keepers and others residing in and near the metropolis; and, of all the Licensed Victuallers in the Haymarket, were referred; That the Standing Orders relative to Bills for erecting or improving Market Places, had been complied with; and that they had considered the said Petitions, and had heard counsel in favour of the Bill; and had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereunto; and the Report was brought up, and read.

Ordered, That the Bill be re-committed to the former Committee.

Report from Committee on Standing Orders.

Sir Matthew Ridley reported from the Select Committee, to whom shall be referred all Reports from Committees on Petitions for Private Bills, in which it shall be stated that any of the Standing Orders of this House have not been complied with; and that such Committee do report their opinion thereupon from time to time to the House; and to whom several Reports, stating that the Standing Orders have not been complied with, were referred; That they had made a further progress in the matters to them referred, and had come to a Resolution, which they had directed him to report to the House; and the same was read, and agreed to by the House; and is as followeth;

Petition for Provision in Breconshire Roads Bill.

Resolved, That in the case of the Petition for additional Provision in the Breconshire Roads Bill, Provision be made in the same; pursuant to the Prayer of the said Petition; and that a duplicate of the Plan deposited with the Clerk of the Peace, and Book of Reference, and Lists of Owners and Occupiers, and also an Estimate and Subscription List, be forthwith deposited in the Private Bill Office; and that the Committee on the Bill do examine how far such Order shall have been complied with, and do report the same to the House, on the Report of the Bill.

Petitions against Renewal of East India Charter.

A Petition of Inhabitants of Normanton near Derby; -of Aston;-of Coxbench;-of Repton;-of Borrowash; -of Ticknall;-of Little Eaton;-of Melbourn;-of Draycott;-of Milford;-of Holbrook;-of Belper;-of Mickleover;-of Spondon;-of Heage and Morley Park; mdash;of Duffield;-of Horseley, in the county of Derby;-of Bilston, in the county of Stafford;-of Manufacturers, Tradesmen and other Inhabitants of Burslem, in the Staffordshire Potteries;-and, of the Chamber of Commerce and of other Manufacturers in the Staffordshire, Potteries,-were presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners view with high satisfaction the appointment of a Parliamentary Committee to take into consideration, the existing relations with India and China; and praying, That such regulations may be adopted by the House as may be the means of promoting a free commercial competition among all classes of His Majesty's subjects, and that they may be admitted to the full exercise of their rights to a trade with the empire of China and all other countries of the East, thus advancing the prosperity and welfare of all parts of the British dominions.

And the said Petitions were ordered to be referred to the Select Committee on East India Company's Affairs.

Petition against throwing open the Trade in Beer.

A Petition of the Licensed Victuallers and Proprietors of Victualling Houses of the borough of Stafford, was presented, and read; setting forth, That if the proposed extension of the free trade in the sale of Beer be passed into a law, the houses in which their trade is carried on will be deteriorated in value at least one-half; and praying the House to take into consideration the situation in which the Licensed Victuallers and proprietors of their houses will be placed by the proposed measures, and the consequent ruin which must fall on them by its being passed into a law, in the hope that the House will adopt some other measure which will not fall so heavily on the Petitioners as that at present in contemplation.

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Select Committee on the Sale of Beer.

Petitions complaining of Agricultural Distress.

A Petition of Owners and Occupiers of land in the neighbourhood of Alcester, in the county of Warwick, and all others interested therein;-and, of Owners, Occupiers and other Inhabitants of the parish of Norton, in the county of Suffolk,-were presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners, almost exclusively engaged in agriculture, have, through a series of years, been gradually losing their capital; even prior to the year 1822 their losses were very considerable, since which period they have been sinking deeper and deeper in distress and poverty, and are now rapidly approaching to pauperism and ruin; and praying the House forthwith diligently to inquire into the cause of the miseries, the calamities and the sufferings of a ruined people, and that means may be speedily devised to better the condition of an improverished and degraded population.

And the said Petitions were ordered to lie upon the Table; and that the last be printed.

Catterick Bridge and Durham Road Bill, passed.

An ingrossed Bill for maintaining the Road from Catterick Bridge, in the County of York, by the Towns of Yarm and Stockton, and through the Town of Sedgefield, to the City of Durham, was read the third time.

Resolved, That the Bill do pass.

Ordered, That Lord William Powlett do carry the Bill to the Lords, and desire their concurrence.

Returns, &c. to be printed. No. 205.

Ordered, That the Returns relative to the Archdeaconry Courts of Lincoln and Norwich, which were presented to the House upon the 15th day of February last, be printed.

Ordered, That the Returns relative to Ecclesiastical Courts in England and Wales, empowered to grant Probates of Wills and Letters of Administration, which were presented to the House upon the 22d day of February last, be printed.

Petition against Apothecaries Act (Dublin.)

A Petition of Licentiate Apothecaries of the city of Waterford, was presented, and read; setting forth, That in consequence of the many frauds and abuses practised on His Majesty's subjects in Ireland, and the unskilfulness and ignorance of persons pretending to the art of an Apothecary, to the great hazard of the lives of his Majesty's subjects, the Legislature was graciously pleased, in the year 1791, to pass an Act of Parliament for the prevention of such abuses, and for the better regulation of the profession of an Apothecary, by which Act a Corporate Body was established in the city of Dublin for said purposes, by the name of The Governor and Company of Apothecaries Hall, to consist of a Governor, Deputy Governor, thirteen Directors, and a number of Subscribers, not to exceed sixty; that said Governor and Company have given notice of their intention to seek an Amendment of this their Act of Incorporation during the present Session of Parliament, which would have given the Petitioners opportunity to pray for the insertion of certain modifying clauses; but said Governor and Company having since declined seeking any Amendment, Petitioners have no other alternative than to draw the attention of the House to certain charges, which will demonstrate that said Governor and Company of Apothecaries have converted the powers conferred on them by the Legislature for the regulation and improvement of the Profession into an instrument of venality and corruption; stating the particulars of their case; and praying, That they may be no longer subject to the misrule of a Trading Company, consisting of twentynine practising Apothecaries, in whose election or proceedings they have no voice, whose interest is perfectly opposed to theirs, and who will neither allow nor make any effort themselves to benefit the public, or rescue the Profession from the degradation which their conduct has brought upon it.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

Ireland-Accounts, &c. ordered: Firsts Fruits

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Detailed Account of the sum of Four thousand three hundred and two pounds four shillings and three-pence, being the entire amount of First Fruits paid in to the Commissioners of that Fund from the Dignities and Benefices of Ireland, during ten years, ending January 1830; specifying the several Dignities and Benefices from which the said First Fruits were paid, and the amount of each severally.

Butter Trade.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Return of the quantity of Butter exported from Ireland to Great Britain in the years 1827, 1828 and 1829; stating the quantity exported from, and imported into, each Port severally.

Returns to be printed. No. 200. Nos. 201, 202, 203.

Ordered, That the Returns relative to French Claims, which were yesterday presented to the House, be printed.

Ordered, That the several Returns relative to the Rate of Pay and Allowances to Officers and Men of the Navy in the years 1792 and 1829; to the number of Masters on the List of the Royal Navy on 1st January 1827, 1828, 1829 and 1830; and to the number of Surgeons and Assistant Surgeons in the Royal Navy, which were presented to the House upon Friday last, be printed.

No. 204.

Ordered, That the Returns of the number of Persons who were discharged by the Court for the Relief of Insolvent Debtors, which was presented to the House upon Monday last, be printed.

Petitions for repeal of Duty on Hops.

A Petition of Hop-planters and Inhabitants of the parish of Hawkhurst, in the county of Kent;-and, of Hopplanters in the weald of Kent,-were presented, and read; praying the House to take their distress into consideration, and repeal the Duty on Hops.

And the said Petitions were ordered to lie upon the Table.

Petition respecting Labourers Wages.

A Petition of Inhabitants of Chalford and its vicinity, in the parish of Bisley, in the county of Gloucester, was presented, and read; praying, That for the sake of the working classes generally, and the country at large, the House will be pleased to pass such a law as will compel the manufacturer to pay his work-people in money instead of goods, in order to put an end to so nefarious and ruining a system.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

Petition for repeal of Corn Laws.

A Petition of Inhabitants of Kidderminster, in the county of Worcester, being the members of the Anti-Bread Tax Association, N 1, was presented, and read; praying, That an Act for the gradual and entire repeal of the Corn Laws in, at the most, ten years, may be forthwith adopted, to save the country from impending ruin.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

Petition for Remission of Duty on Beer

A Petition of Maltsters of the town of Saffron Walden, in the county of Essex, was presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners had been anxiously waiting for the announcement of the financial measures of the Government, in expectation that such would have been adopted as would have revived the agriculturist, and have remunerated him for his toil, increased the consumption and demand for Malt, upon which the duties will soon be payable; but, understanding it is not the intention of the Legislature to allow any remission of the Duty upon Beer brewed and remaining in stock on the 10th of October, the Petitioners are apprehensive that a stagnation greater, if possible, than that of the last few months, will take place, which consequently fills the Petitioners with alarm, lest they should be compelled to cease making of Malt during the remainder of this season, which will be attended with loss to them and the Revenue; they therefore humbly submit to the consideration of the House the propriety of allowing the Duty upon so much of the Beer as may be brewed from this period, and remain in stock on the 10th of October, in order that their business may not be interrupted, and the agriculturist, who still holds a portion of his barley crop, may not be deprived of the benefit the Legislature intended to confer upon him and the Country.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

The Lords have agreed to

A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Cross and Mr. Trower:

Mr. Speaker,

West Cowgate (Newcastle) Road Bill.

The Lords have agreed to the Bill, intituled, An Act for more effectually repairing, amending, widening and improving the Road from the West Cowgate, near Newcastle-upon-Tyne, to the Alemouth Turnpike Road, in the County of Northumberland, and for making and maintaining other Roads communicating therewith, without any Amendment:-And then the Messengers withdrew.

Committee on Four-per-Cent. Annuities Acts.

Ordered, That the Order of the day, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the Acts 3 Geo. 4, c. 9, for transferring several Annuities of Five Pounds per Centum per Annum into Annuities of Four Pounds per Centum per Annum; and 3 Geo, 4, c. 17, for converting Annuities and Debentures of Five Pounds per Centum per Annum, payable at the Bank of Ireland, into new Annuities of Four Pounds per Centum per Annum, be now read; and the same being read:- The House resolved itself into the Committee; and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Sir George Clerk reported from the Committee, That they had come to several Resolutions, which they had directed him to report to the House.

Ordered, That the Report be received upon Monday next.

Adjournment.

Resolved, That this House will, at the rising of the House this day, adjourn till Monday next.

Committee of Supply.

Ordered, That the Order of the day, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Supply granted to His Majesty, be now read; and the same being read:-The House resolved itself into the Committee.

(In the Committee.)

A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that a sum, not exceeding One hundred and seventy-four thousand five hundred and eighty-four pounds nine shillings and fourpence, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge of Superannuations to Commissioners, Secretaries, Clerks, &c. and of Allowances in lieu of Half Pay to the Naval Officers formerly employed in Naval Departments, for the year 1830;

Whereupon a Motion was made, and the Question being put, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that a sum, not exceeding One hundred and seventy-three thousand six hundred and eighty-four pounds nine shillings and four-pence, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge of Superannuations to Commissioners, Secretaries, Clerks, &c. and for Allowances in lieu of Half Pay to the Naval Officers formerly employed in Naval Departments, for the year 1830; the Committee divided.

Teller for the Yeas, Sir Robert Heron - 139.

Teller for the Noes, Sir George Clerk - 121.

Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that a sum, not exceeding One hundred and seventy-three thousand six hundred and eighty-four pounds nine shillings and four-pence, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge of Superannuations to Commissioners, Secretaries, Clerks, &c. and of Allowances in lieu of Half Pay to the Naval Officers formerly employed in Naval Departments, for the year 1830.

A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that a sum, not exceeding Ninety-nine thousand pounds, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge of Repairs and Improvements in the Dock Yards, for the year 1830;

The said Motion was, by leave of the Committee, withdrawn.

And the House having continued to sit till after twelve of the clock on Saturday morning;

Sabbati, 27 die Martii, 1830:

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Sir Alexander Grant reported from the Committee, That they had come to a Resolution, which they had directed him to report to the House.

Ordered, That the Report be received upon Monday next.

Sir Alexander Grant also acquainted the House, that he was directed by the Committee to move, That they may have leave to sit again.

Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday next, again resolve itself into the said Committee.

Correspondence, &c. ordered: Naval Hospital, (Malta). Pembroke Yard Chapel.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Copy of any Correspondence relative to the Naval Hospital at Malta.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Copy of any Representations relative to the necessity of building a Chapel in Pembroke Yard.

Ecclesiastical Leases (Ireland) Bill, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill to amend the Laws respecting the Leasing Powers of Bishops and Ecclesiastical Corporations in Ireland;

Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday the 5th day of April next, resolve itself into the said Committee.

Committee on Leases of Lands (Ireland) Bill.

The House, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill to confirm certain Leases of Lands for the purposes of carrying on the Linen Manufacture of Ireland; and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Sir Alexander Grant reported from the Committee, That they had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereunto.

Ordered, That the Report be received upon Monday next.

Consideration of Resolutions of Supply, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for taking into further consideration the second, third, and fourth of the Resolutions which were yesterday reported from the Committee of the whole House, to whom it was referred to consider further of the Supply granted to His Majesty;

Ordered, That the said Resolutions be taken into further consideration upon Monday next.

Ways and Means, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for the House to reresolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon consider further of Ways and Means for raising the Supply granted to His Majesty;

Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday next resolve itself into the said Committee.

Galway Franchise Bill, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill to repeal so much of an Act passed in Ireland in the fourth year of the reign of King George the First, for the better regulating the Town of Galway, and for strengthening the Protestant Interest therein, as limits the Franchise created by the said Act to Protestants only;

Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday next, resolve itself into the said Committee.

Members added to a Committee

Ordered, That Sir Watkin Williams Wynn be added to the Select Committee on the Office of High Sheriff.

And then the House, having continued to sit till one of the clock on Saturday morning, adjourned till Monday next.