House of Commons Journal Volume 3
20 July 1643

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 20 July 1643', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 3: 1643-1644 (1802), pp. 175-177. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=1713 Date accessed: 25 November 2014.


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Die Jovis, 20 Julii, 1643.

PRAYERS.

Associated Counties.

ORDERED, That the Committee of the Six associated Counties do meet this Afternoon; to consider of these Letters of Information from Cambridge; and to consider of raising a moving Body, to prevent the Inconveniencies that, by those Informations, are threatened.

Examination of Hotham, &c.

Upon the Report of Mr. Hotham's Desires to be examined in the House publickly; and to be bailed: It is

Ordered, That the Committee, to whom the Examination of Sir Jo. Hotham and Captain Hotham is referred, do proceed, in the Examination of them, in the same manner as they proceeded to the Examination of the late Conspirators.

Committee of Safety.

Ordered, That Mr. Solicitor be added to the Committee for the Safety.

Affairs at Hull.

Divers Letters from the Lord Fairefax, and from the Town of Hull, of the Seventh and Sixteenth of July; and a Letter from my Lord Newcastle, to the Town of Hull; and the Answer of the Town of Hull, and Captain Moyer. . . .

Ordered, That Sir Wm. Strickland, Sir Wm. Constable, and Mr. Wastall, do prepare a Letter to be sent to the Town of Hull, to take notice of the Fidelity and Courage of the said Town; and to encourage them in it; and to thank them for their stout and resolute Answers, both to the Earl of Kingston, and the Earl of Newcastle: And that they had taken their Propositions into Consideration; and would give them a speedy and satisfactory Answer: And that they will take Order to send some convenient Strength of Shipping thither.

Resolved, That this House doth agree and order, that Two thousand Foot, well and compleatly armed, be sent by Sea to Hull; one of which to be under the Command of Sir Wm. Constable.

Ordered, That Sir Wm. Constable shall have Power to beat up his Drums in the Counties of Suffolk and Norfolk, for raising of Voluntiers, to the Number of a Thousand, to go to the Relief of my Lord Fairefaxe; whereof the Three hundred, now raised in Suffolk, and formerly appointed for Newcastle, are to be accounted as Part: the said Regiment of One thousand Men, to be under the Command of Sir Wm. Constable.

Payment for Arms.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee, where Mr. Trenchard has the Chair, to think of some speedy and effectual Course for satisfying the Monies, drawn upon Mr. Henley and Mr. Hawkeridge, for the Ten thousand Arms delivered to the Scotts, in lieu of those carried by them into Ireland.

Payment to Scotland.

Ordered, That Serjeant Wilde, that sits in the Chair at the Committee for Sequestrations, do take great and especial Care, that the Thirty thousand Pounds, assigned to the Scotts, out of the Sequestrations, may be speedily and effectually paid, and satisfied, to Mr. Wm. Thompson, or such as he shall appoint; and, in the mean time, to treat with the Merchants, for Ten thousand Pounds, Parcel of the said Thirty thousand Pounds.

Sequestrations.

Ordered, That Mr. Serjeant Wilde do write to the particular and respective Solicitors of the several and respective Counties, to require them to let the House know what Monies have issued out of the Sequestration Monies, and upon what Warrants; and to permit no Monies to be paid away upon any Warrant, but according as it is appointed by the Ordinance of Sequestrations, unless it be such as are or shall be appointed by Order of this House: And that all such Monies as they have in their Hands be forthwith sent up, and paid to the Treasurers at Guildhall.

Payment of Messengers, &c.

Ordered, That the Treasurers for the Sequestration Monies of Westminster do pay unto Mr. Trenchard an Hundred Pounds, upon Account, to be employed for Satisfaction of such Messengers, and others, as have been employed in the publick Service, by the Committee of Accompts.

Excise and Sequestrations.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Sir Peter Wentworth, Mr. Strode, are appointed presently to withdraw, to prepare Reasons to be offered to the Lords for passing the Ordinances of Excise; and the additional Ordinance to the Ordinance for Sequestrations.

London Petition.

The House being informed, that there were divers Inhabitants of the City of London, and other Gentlemen, that desired to present a Petition to the House; they were called in; and did present the Petition: And did desire, if any thing in the Petition might express any Irregularity, or any Error of Circumstance or Form, that it might be pardoned and excused; coming from true, hearty, and good Affections.

And then they were commanded to withdraw.

And the Petition was read; in the which Petition were the Names of Members of both Houses presented, the which they desired to be Committees invested with a Power, mentioned likewise, and specified in the said Petition:

This the House conceived to be irregular, and contrary to the Proceedings and Privilege of Parliament; yet, notwithstanding, considering the great and invincible Necessity the Kingdom was in at this time, wherein Safety was to be preferred before Privilege of Parliament, they took no further Notice of it, but commanded a Salvo might be entered, to preserve the Privilege, and to prevent the drawing of it into Example for the future; being willing that this Irregularity of the Petition might be covered under the Urgency of the Necessities at this time, and with the good Affection of the Petitioners, largely expressed in the said Petition.

Resolved, &c. That a Committee shall be appointed and named, to consider of the Matter of this Petition:

My Lord Mayor, Mr. Morley, Mr. Blakiston, Mr. Baynton, Mr. Ashherst, Mr. Strode, Mr. Bond, Mr. Gourdon, Mr. Marten, Mr. Hoyle, Mr. Rigbye, Sir H. Heyman, Sir Wm. Massam;

This Committee, or any Seven of them, have Power to list and dispose as many of the Petitioners, which this Day presented the House with a Petition to that Purpose, as are willing, and all others of the like Affections to the Cause, in a warlike manner, into Companies and Regiments; and to consider of a fit Person to command those Forces in chief, by Authority derived from my Lord General; and to present him to the House: And likewise, to receive all Contributions and Subscriptions for Monies, Ammunition, Arms, Horses, and any other necessary Provisions, for strengthening and maintaining the said Forces: They have likewise Power to consider of, and upon all Occasions to present to this House, what farther they think fit and necessary to be done, for Advance of this Service: And are to meet this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, in Merchant Taylors Hall, and so afterwards, from time to time, when and where they please: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, &c.

Lords desire a Conference.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Rob. Rich and Mr. Page;

The Lords do desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Excise; concerning Newcastle; and concerning my Lord Grey.-

Forces for Cambridge.

Ordered, That the Deputy Lieutenants of all the Six associated Counties, or any Two of each County or Place, shall send forthwith to Cambridge, for the Defence of the Castle there, such Proportion of Forces as is allotted to each County and Place, by the Committee of Association of those Counties.

Insurrection in Kent.

A Letter was read, from Sir Anthony Welden, one of the Deputy Lieutenants in Kent, dated 19 Julii 1643, informing the House of the Insurrection in Kent, and that divers of the Trained Bands are fallen off, and joined with the Tumults.

Mr. Blunt, a Deputy Lieutenant, and one of the Captains in Kent, was called in, to know the Reason of his Doubt: Answered, that he had no Commission to fight with them:- By the Ordinance, and his Commission, he alone, without another Deputy Lieutenant, or more, could not act any thing: Who, being commanded to withdraw, was called in again; and Mr. Speaker told him, by Command of the House, that, by the Law of the Land, he was bound to suppress any Riot or Insurrection, and to bring them, by Force, into Subjection.

Mr. Blunt desired the House, that he might have some Supplies sent into that Part of Kent, where his Soldiers are, and out of which they are to march; for that the People there are so malignant, that they will rise, so soon as he is gone.-

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; that they are now in a Business of great Importance; and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Lords to sit.

Mr. Bainton went up to the Lords, to desire them, from the House, to sit awhile.

Mr. Bainton brings Answer, the Lords will sit awhile, as is desired.

Allowance to Bernie.

Ordered, That it shall be added to the Order made Yesterday, concerning Mr. Bernie, that he shall have Allowance for his Monies, from the time of the Delivery of his Goods, until the Monies be paid.

Pardon to Kent Insurgents.

Mr. Pym presented, from the Committee of the Safety, a Declaration of Pardon to all such as are risen in Kent, and will presently lay down their Arms, and repair to their several Abodes: The which was read; and, upon Debate, it was Resolved, That, in this Declaration, something more shall be contained, than a general Pardon:

And then the Declaration, with some Clauses left out, was read; and assented unto; and ordered to be delivered to the Lords, at a Conference.

Lieutenant of the Tower.

Resolved, &c. That it be referred to the Committee for the Militia in London, to recommend to the House a fit Person to supply the Place of the Lieutenant of the Tower, during the Absence of the present Lieutenant.

Affairs of Kent.

Sir Robert Pye went up to the Lords to desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, so soon, as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Business of Kent; and to acquaint them, that this House is willing to give them a Meeting at a Conference by a Committee of the whole House, upon the Particulars mentioned in their last Message, at such time as their Lordships shall appoint.

Sir Robert Pye brings Answer, that the Lords will give a present Meeting, at a Conference, upon the Business of Kent, as is desired: And do desire, that they may, at this Conference, communicate the Particulars of their last Message.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Recorder, and Mr. Corbet, are appointed Managers, and Reporters, of this Conference.

Nottingham Committee.

Ordered, That Gervas Piggott be added to the Committee of Nottingham.

Conference reported.

Mr. Pym reports from the Conference,

"That the Lords did withdraw, and, after awhile, came out again: And the Earl of Manchester said, the Lords had agreed to the Declaration concerning Kent; and that they will take care to send it away, with all Speed."

"He told us further, as to the Conference desired by them, that, for the Ordinance of Excise, they had taken into Consideration the Answer received from us, that they might not be of the Committee to order the Officers to manage the Excise. He said, this House might, perchance, conceive it to be a Breach of Privilege, to join with this House therein: That they desired not to intrench upon the Privilege of this House for granting of Monies; yet they conceive, to join with this House for the ordering of the Officers, is no Breach of Privilege; for, even in this Parliament, in Acts for Subsidies and other Payments, the Lords have joined with the Commons about the ordering of Monies, &c.: Besides, in divers Ordinances this Parliament, they have joined in the like."

"For the Ordinance concerning Newcastle, it is a Matter of great Importance, and they will speedily take it into Consideration; and, in the mean time, do recommend it unto this House, to think of sending Ships to fetch Coals:" And

"For my Lord Grey, the Earl of Manchester said, that, as an Addition to their Message "to join with the Lords to my Lord General to recall his Commission," they conceive, that this House, having an Interest in his Employment, should join for his Discharge thereof."

Excise.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House concurs with the Lords, that a Committee of Lords and Commons shall be appointed, for the ordering and regulating of the Officers and Persons employed about the Excise.

Providing Coals.

Ordered, That the Business concerning the providing of Coals shall be taken into Consideration on Saturday Morning: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind thereof.

Lord Gray.

Ordered, That the Business concerning my Lord Gray be taken into Consideration on Saturday next.

Message from Lords.

Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Riche and Mr. Page;

That the Lords have agreed to this Declaration concerning Kent; and have sent you an Ordinance concerning Sutton Marsh, and desire your Concurrence: And, for the Trial of Judge Berkley, they have put it off till Saturday next.

Answer.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; that, as to the Ordinance for Sutton Marsh, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Affairs at Peterbrough.

Letters from the Committee at Cambridge, informing the House, that the Cavaliers were before Peterbrough.

Ordered, That they be referred to the Committee for the Safety.

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