Die Martis, 28 Decembris, 1641.
ORDERED, That the Clerk of the Crown shall
attend this House To-morrow Morning at Ten of
Clock, and bring with him the Indenture of Return for
the Town of Arundell.
The Question being put, whether a Question shall be
put, at this present, concerning the Joining with the
Lords, in a Declaration, as is desired;
It went with the Negative.
Resolved, upon the Question, That this shall be the
Answer to the Lords Proposition touching a Guard;
That this House will join with their Lordships in a Petition to his Majesty for a Guard, so that the same may
be commanded by the Earl of Essex, and approved of
by both Houses of Parliament.
Scandals concerning Members.
Mr. Glyn presented, from the Committee appointed
to meet with a Committee of Lords, for the Drawing of
a Petition to be presented unto his Majesty concerning
the Scandal laid upon some Members of both Houses, a
Petition, in hac Verba:
To the King's most Excellent Majesty,
The humble Petition of the Lords and Commons in this
present Parliament assembled.
Whereas, during the Time of Your Majesty's last
being in Scotland, the Queen's Majesty received Information, that at a Meeting, in Kensington, where the
Earl of Essex, [the Earl] of Newport, the Lord Viscount
Say and Seale, the Lord Mandevile, the Lord Wharton,
Members of the Lords House; the Lord Dungaroon,
Mr. Nath. Fienis, Sir John Clotworthy, and Mr. John Pym,
Members of the House of Commons; were all present,
when a Discourse of some Plots, that should be done in
this Kingdom, or in Scotland, the Earl of Newport should
say, "If there be such a Plot, yet here are his Wife and
Children;" insinuating the same to signify, that the Person
of her Majesty, and her Children, should be seized upon:
And whereas Your Majesty, upon Friday last, was
pleased to demand of the Earl of Newport, whether his
Lordship heard any Debate at Kensington about seizing
upon the Queen, and her Children; which when his
Lordship had denied, with many and deep Asseverations,
Your Majesty replied again, That he was to tell Your
Majesty no more than You knew already; and therefore
should consider well what he should answer: And his
Lordship denying it the Second time, Your Majesty
parting from him, replied, You were sorry for his ill
Memory; seeming thereby to give Credit to that Information:
Which Information and Report tend not only to the
great Scandal of the Members of both Houses of Parliament before named, but express an Endeavour to stir up
Jealousies, and work a Division, between Your Majesty,
and Your Parliament:
It is therefore the humble and instant Desire of the
Lords and Commons in this Parliament, that Your Majesty will be pleased to declare, who was the Reporter or
Reporters of those Words pretended to be spoken at
Kensington by the Earl of Newport; and that Your Majesty will be likewise pleased to move her Majesty to
discover who acquainted her therewith: And this, as
Your greatest and most faithful Council, they advise Your
Majesty to perform; the Exigency of the Affairs of both
Kingdoms being such as necessarily require a sudden Remedy; which cannot expect any Possibility of Success,
without a right Understanding between Your Majesty
and the Parliament: The only Way of effecting whereof
is by the present Discovery and Removal of ill Counsels,
and false Informers, which, to our great Grief, we have,
by Experience, found to be too frequent and active in
these dangerous Times.
This Petition was put to the Question; and, upon the
Question, assented unto.
Tumults about the House.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and
The Lords do desire an Answer of the last Conference,
that was the last Night concerning the Multitudes
assembled near both Houses, and the Tumults among
Answer returned, by the same Messengers: That this
House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will send an Answer speedily by Messengers of their own.
Mr. Hollis is appointed to go to the Lords, to acquaint
them, That this House will do whatsoever is fit to suppress
any Tumults that shall be against the Safety or Privilege
of Parliament: That the Declaration is a Matter of that
Consequence, that they cannot as yet agree upon it.
Irish Affairs, &c.
He is likewise to deliver unto their Lordships the Two
Letters sent from them last Night concerning Ireland;
and to acquaint them of One Passage in that Letter directed to the Earl of Holland, "of Matters trusted to
the Messenger, which he durst not commit to a Letter;"
that of this Business they have as yet heard nothing:
And likewise to put the Lords in mind of the Bills for
Pressing of Mariners and Soldiers.
Information against Venn.
Ordered, That on Tuesday next [post meridiem] the
Information given in to this House against Mr. Venn,
shall be taken into Consideration.
Ordered, That the Committee for the Navy, where
Sir John Colpeper has the Chair, shall meet on Thursday
next at Eight of Clock, in the Star-chamber.
State of Munster.
Sir John Colpeper reports from the Committee appointed to consider of the State of Munster-
Ordered, That the Messengers sent from this House
to the Lords be called back.-
Resolved, upon the Question, That there shall be forthwith sent from hence One thousand Five hundred Musquets, and Five hundred Corslets, to Bristoll, to be with
all Speed transported to Yohale, in Munster, to be disposed of by the President there, for the Defence and
Security of that Province.
Resolved, &c. That a proportionable Provision of
Match and Bullets be made and provided for the Relief
of the Province of Munster, and the Bullets to be provided at Bristoll.
Resolved, That Ten Lasts of Powder be forthwith
speeded by Carts to Bristoll for Yohale.
Resolved, That Two Regiments of One thousand Foot
in a Regiment, be forthwith raised of Voluntiers out of
the Western Counties; and that the Colonels may be contracted with . . Thirty Shillings for every Soldier, for the
Raising and Transporting them into Munster; that their
Entertainment may be the same that the House hath allowed for the other Officers; and that they may be mustered at their Landing in Munster; and that the Officers
Pay may then begin.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Arms and Ammunition may be sent from hence for those Two Regiments.
Resolved, That Sir Charles Vavasor may be required to
hasten the Raising of his Five hundred Men appointed
by the House for Munster.
Resolved, That the Lords be desired to join with the
House herein; and that his Majesty may be moved, from
both Houses, for the Arms and Ammunition.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Two Ships, of
about Two hundred Ton apiece, rigged and provided as
Men of War, may be hired at Bristoll, for the present
Guarding of the Coast of Munster, and to transport Men,
Arms, and Ammunition, from hence.
Resolved, That a Message shall be sent to the Lords
To-morrow Morning, to desire a Conference concerning
Munster; and Sir John Colpeper to manage the Conference; and Mr. Jespon to go with a Message.
Resolved, That a Committee be appointed by this
House to take care for the Execution of that which shall
be ordered herein: And if there shall be any Delay or
Obstruction therein, to examine where the Fault shall be,
and to report it to the House.
Resolved, upon the Question, That there shall be an
Addition of Three thousand Foot, and Three hundred
Horse, over and above the Supplies already agreed upon,
shall be forthwith sent into Dublyn; whereof a Thousand
Foot, and Two Troops of Horse, to be sent into Connaught, for the Defence of that Province.
Resolved, &c. That Mr. Frost shall be appointed Commissary for the Magazine of Victuals, at Chester; and
that he shall have Ten Shillings per Diem Wages for [that
Resolved, &c. That Credit shall be given to Mr. Forst
of a Thousand Pounds upon Account, towards the Provision of the Magazine of Victuals at Chester.
Issuing Arms, &c.
Resolved, &c. That the Lords shall be desired to join
with this House, to move his Majesty to grant a general
Warrant to the Earl of Newport, for the Issuing of such
Arms and Ammunition, from time to time, as shall be
thought fit by both Houses of Parliament.
Forces, &c. for Ireland.
Resolved, &c. That the Lords shall be desired to join
with this House to move his Majesty to grant a general
Warrant to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, for the
Transporting, from time to time, of such Men, Horse,
and Ammunition, as shall be thought fit by both Houses
Ordered, That the Troop of Horse raised by Captain
Baker, shall be part of the Three hundred Horse now
agreed on to be sent into Dublyn.
Mr. Pym reports from the Committee appointed to
prepare an Order, and present it to the House, concerning Power to be given to the Committee for the Navy..
Which was read in hæc Verba; viz.
It is this Day Ordered, by the Commons House of
Parliament, That the Committee for the Navy, where
Sir John Colpeper has the Chair, shall examine, why
the Fifty-five thousand Pounds ordered in August last,
by both Houses, for the Supply of the Navy, out of the
last Bill of Tonage and Poundage, hath not been accordingly performed; and, having found out the Obstructions therein, shall present the same to this House
with all convenient Speed; together with their Opinions,
what is fittest to be done thereupon: And they are farther to examine, what Monies are likely to come in
upon the present Bill of Tonage and Poundage, during
the Time it is granted; and to report it to this House;
that the ordinary and extraordinary Charge of the Navy
for the Year 1642, may be provided for out of the same:
And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, and
Writings: And are to meet To-morrow Morning in the
Star-chamber, at Eight of the Clock.
It is farther Ordered, That, in case the Monies arising
out of the last Bill of Tonage and Poundage, shall not be
found sufficient to discharge the above said Sum of Fiftyfive thousand Pounds, that then what shall be wanting
thereof shall be forthwith paid to the Treasurers of the
Navy, out of the Monies coming in upon the present
Bill of Tonage and Poundage.
It is also Ordered, That the Sum of Two thousand
Fifty-eight Pounds Ten Shillings shall be paid, out of
the Monies payable by virtue of the aforesaid Bill, to the
Officers of the Ordnance, for the Expences in their
Office, for the Setting out of the last Summer's Fleet,
according to the Engagement of this House.
It is the Opinion of the Committee, That, in the Case
of Sir H. Vane junior, concerning the Office of the Treasurer of the Navy, that this House do declare, that they
will take That into Consideration when they shall consider
of the Passing the next Bill for a Subsidy of Tonage and
This Order, being read, was voted; and, upon the
Question, assented unto.