House of Commons Journal Volume 2
13 December 1641

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 13 December 1641', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 340-342. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=226 Date accessed: 20 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Die Lunæ, 13 Decembris, 1641.

PRAYERS.

Leave of Absence.

MR Ralph Goodwyn has Leave to go into the Country.

Collectors of Subsidies.

The humble Petition of James Parcall, Collector for the Third and Fourth Subsidies, was this Day read: And it is Ordered, That the Six Pence allowed the Collectors for passing the Certificates, shall be rendered in the Court of the Exchequer; and the Barons of the Exchequer shall order, unto whom the Six Pence shall be paid; and that the Collectors of the Subsidies shall pass their Accounts notwithstanding: And Mr. Wheeler, and Mr. Bell, are appointed to acquaint the Barons of the Exchequer with this Order.

Commission of the Peace.

Upon the Question, Whether the Lord Keeper should be moved by this House, for putting Mr. Long out of the Commission of the Peace;

The House was divided: And

The Yeas went forth.

Sir John Colpeper, for the Noe, 94
Mr. Wheeler,
Sir John Clottworthy, Tellers for the Yea, 90
Sir John Evelyn,
So that the Question passed with the Negative.

Payment to Nulles.

Ordered, That Two thousand Pounds shall be forthwith paid to Sir Jo. Nulles, by the Commissioners for the Poll-money of London, being for so much advanced by him, at the Intreaty of this House, for the Service of the Queen Mother.

Privilege- Guard about Parliament.

Mr. Geo. Long was called in; and, kneeling at the Bar, Mr. Speaker, according to the Resolution of the House on Saturday last, pronounced this Sentence against him: That he should be sent to the Tower; and there continue during the Pleasure of the House.- The Offence that Mr. . . . . .assigned was, that he, in his Warrant, exceeded the Authority given him by the Writ directed unto him; and had, sitting the Parliament, sent down armed Men to the Parliament, never acquainting the Parliament with it.

Sir H. Vane, Mr.Hollis, Lord Falkland, Sir Arth. Haselrig, Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir Jo. Francklyn, Sir John Hotham, Sir Ra. Hopton, Sir Gilbert Gerard, Mr. Glyn, Sir Tho. Bowyer, Sir Edw. Rodney, Mr. Lisle, Sir John Colpeper, Sir Ro. Hatton, Mr. Morley, Sir Ro. Coke, Sir Edw. Parthriche, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Sam. Rolle, Sir Martin Lumley, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Mr. Law. Whittacre, Mr. Strode, Mr. Wheeler, Mr.Peard, Mr. Hide, Sir Ro. Pye;

This Committee is to examine the whole Business concerning the Raising and Sending armed Men to the Palace at Westminster: And they have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, or any thing else, that may conduce to the full Examination of this Business: And are to meet To-morrow at Eight of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Sir W. Breretons.

Two Letters from Sir Wm. Brereton; One of the Eleventh of December, and another of the Seventh of December, directed, One to Mr. Speaker, and the other to Mr. Martin: And the House took Notice of his great Diligence employed herein, and approved well of it.

Committee added.

Ordered, That Sir H. Vane be added to the Committee for Irish *

Ld. Strange.

Ordered, That Mr. Hollys shall know of Mr. Secretary, whether any Letters are come to his Hands from the Lord Strange; and, if none be, that he should write to the Lord Strange, and acquaint him, that this House has been informed of some Letters taken upon a Spanish Ship, and sent to his Lordship, which as yet the Parliament has not received.

Soldiers for Ireland.

Ordered, That the Soldiers now raised, or to be raised in England, for the Service of Ireland, shall have Coats, Stockings, Shoes, and Caps, provided for them: And that the Citizens that serve for the City of London, and Mr. Jesson, Mr. Spurstoe, Mr. Ash, Mr. Bond, and Sir Tho. Smyth, shall consider of the Proposition made by Mr. Jesson for the Cloathing of them; and of any other way as they shall think best for this Service: And they are likewise to consider of Proportions of Victuals and Cloaths, and of the best Terms for the Furnishing of them, and sending them to such convenient Places in Ireland, as shall be hereafter agreed upon: And they are to meet at such times as they shall think fit, without Adjournments: And are to report to the House so soon as with most Conveniency they can.

Irish Affairs.

A Clause, to be a Head of the Declaration to be offered to the Lords, concerning the Queen, according to an Order of Friday last, was this Day presented from the Committee for Irish Affairs, and read; and voted; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Irish Affairs, to prepare an Addition to the Declaration, concerning a Fast, and a general Contribution for the Relief of the distressed Persons come out of Ireland hither; and also concerning the Clergy, now had in Debate.

Ordered, That on Thursday next the House do take into Consideration the Contribution, to be made by this House, towards the Relief of the distressed Persons that are come out of Ireland.

State of Money, &c.

Ordered, That To-morrow Morning peremptorily the House shall be turned into a Committee, to take into Consideration this Report made concerning the State of the Money, and the Debt of the Kingdom; and likewise to consider of some way of raising Monies; to the end that the House may give Satisfaction to the Counties that have now petitioned, and to the Officers of the late Army, and to all others, to whom there is any Money owing by this House; and that no other Business intervene: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order. And further Ordered, That after this Business is done, that the House do take into Consideration the speedy Expediting of the Affairs of Ireland.

Proceedings against the Bishops.

That a Message be sent to the Lords, to acquaint their Lordships, that this House is ready to give a Meeting at a free Conference, concerning the Thirteen Bishops, as was desired.

Condemned Priests.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Answer to the Message of the Lords, concerning the Priests condemned, shall be, That the Opinion of this House is to advise his Majesty, that * Fryer the Priest, lately condemned, shall be put to Execution according to the Laws.

Transactions with Scotland.

Sir Philip Stapleton reports from the Commissioners appointed to treat with the Scoche Commissioners concerning the Affairs of Ireland, That this Morning both Commissioners met, though the Business be little advanced, in respect of an Order of the Lords authorizing their Commissioners to treat with the Scotche Commissioners for the Raising of Ten thousand Scotts; but yet, withal, to desire them to send to Scotland, to have Commission to treat for a lesser Number. The Scotts Commissioners did begin to make a Proposition; the Substance of it was, That, as a Testimony of their Zeal to his Majesty, and of their Affection to their Brethren in England, and Sensibleness of their Miseries in Ireland, that they are ready to assist them with Ten thousand Men, and to raise them, and transport them at their own Charge into the Kingdom of Ireland: But the Lords Commissioners made a Scruple to proceed in Treaty of it, in regard of the restrictive Clause in the latter End of their Order, to desire the Scotts. . procure a Commission to treat for a lesser Number: But the Scotts Commissioners desire to know the express Answer of both Houses, concerning the certain Number to treat on; and declared, that they have kept Men at their great Charge for the Service of this Crown, and are not able to continue them longer so, and therefore desires a speedy Answer. This free Offer of theirs the House has Cause to be sensible of; for to raise Ten thousand Men, and the Coat and Conduct-money, and Transporting of them, would have cost this Crown a considerable Sum; which they are willing to bear at their own Charge.

Proceedings against the Bishops.

Mr. Hotham is appointed to go to the Lords, To acquaint their Lordships, that this House is ready to give their Lordships a Meeting, at a free Conference, concerning the Thirteen Bishops.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Glyn, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Transactions with Scotland.

Sir Gilbert Gerard is appointed to go to the Lords, To desire a free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Commissioners appointed to treat with the Scotts Commissioners.

Mr. Nath. Fienes, Sir Wm. Armyn, Sir Philip Stapilton, Mr. Hampden, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Hotham brings Answer; Their Lordships will give a present-Meeting, by a Committee of both Houses, as is desired.

Sir Gilbert Gerard brings Answer, that their Lordships will give a present Meeting, by a Committee of both Houses, as is desired.

Condemned Priests.

Mr. Cary is appointed to go to the Lords with this Message; To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, touching the Message from their Lordships, concerning the Priests now condemned.

Mr. Maynard, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Peard, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Mr. Cary brings Answer, that the Lords will give a present Meeting, as was desired, by a Committee of both Houses.

Mr. Maynard is to deliver, at this Conference, the Votes of this House, concerning Five of the Priests; and to take notice of the Mediation of the French Ambassador in this Particular, that the like may be forborn for the future.

Proceedings against the Bishops.

Mr. Glyn's Report from the free Conference, concerning the Thirteen Bishops:

"That the Lord Keeper said, the Bishops Counsel insisted still upon the Plea and Demurrer: And that they took Exception to the last Conference; that it was only an Act of the Committee, and not of the House; because the Manager of that Conference delivered to the Reporter of the Lords House (the Archbishop of Yorke) a Paper, intituled, A Report made by Serjeant Wilde, from the Committee for the Thirteen Bishops.- He said, He conceived, for his Part, that it was the Vote of the House: But, to satisfy that Objection, desired to know the Answer of the House. -I told his Lordship, it passed the Vote of the House; and That Paper was but as a Memorandum to the Manager of that Conference, and delivered by him at that time to the Reporter of the Lords House, to enable him to report; but did not conceive this Use would have been made of it, or that it should have been shewed to the Bishops Counsel.

Irish Affairs.

Mr. Pym reports from the Committee, An Addition to the Heads of the Conference to be had with the Lords, touching a Declaration concerning the Affairs of Ireland, concerning a publick Fast; and a Contribution to succour the Necessities of the poor distressed Irish: The which was read, and voted; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Memorandum, Mr. Pym had from me, at this time, the Certificate from the Lords Justices and Council of Ireland, concerning the Necessities of the People in Ireland.

Person sent for.

Resolved, upon the Question, That * Williamson shall be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, for several Offences and Scandals against this House, expressed in a Sermon preached by him Yesterday at St. Martin's Church in the Fields.

Irish Affairs.

Sir John Clotworthy is appointed to go to the Lords with this Message; To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses so soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Affairs of Ireland.

Information against Venn.

Ordered, That the Gentleman that brought in the Information against Mr. Venn, a Member of this House, give notice to the Witnesses, to be produced in that Business, that they be here To-morrow; that Matter being appointed to be then heard.

Transport Service.

Ordered, That it be referred to Sir Robert Pye, and Mr. Wheeler, to consider what Satisfaction is fit to be allowed to the Masters and Owners of those Ships, that were employed to go to Berwick to transport the Ammunition; and for the Provision of Tackle and Cordage; and also to consider what Allowance is fit to be allowed to those Persons, that have been employed in the Service of this House to Edinborough.

Conference.

Sir John Clotworthy brings Answer, that their Lordships will give a present Meeting, at a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses presently, as is desired.

Pressing Soldiers.

Serjeant Wilde reports the Bill for Pressing of Soldiers, returned from the Lords, at a Conference, with some Amendments: And it was thereupon

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth consent, that these Words, "or compelled," shall stand in the Preamble of the Bill for Pressing of Soldiers, upon Condition that these Words may be added to them, "except, in case of Necessity, of the sudden Coming in of foreign Enemies into this Kingdom."

Priests.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch and Serjeant Glanvile;

The Lords desire a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, in the Painted Chamber, touching the Priests.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; hat this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting as is desired.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Reynolds, are appointed Managers and Reporters of these Conferences.

Proceedings against the Bishops.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Business concerning the Thirteen Bishops shall be taken into Consideration To-morrow, after the Debate of the Money Business.

Priests.

Mr. Maynard reports from the Conference with the Lords, concerning the Priests, That their Lordships said, that the French Ambassador's Mediation was for Seven or Eight Priests: That this House had given their Resolutions touching Five of them, but had spoken nothing concerning the rest.

London, Petition.

The humble Petition of divers of the Inhabitants of the City of London, and Suburbs thereof, whose Petition was exhibited the 11th of this instant December, to this Honourable Assembly, was read.

Persons sent for.

Resolved, upon the Question, That H. Broadenox, Jo. Lloyde, and Tho. Lullam, be forthwith sent for, as Delinquents, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, for several Contempts and Breaches of the Privileges of this House.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Tho. Carpenter, and Mr. Arth. Hodgskins, be forthwith sent for, as Delinquents, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, for several Contempts and Breaches of the Privileges of this House.

Treaty with Scotland.

Sir Ph. Stapilton went up to the Lords, To desire them to speed their Answer to the Message of this House, sent this Day, concerning the Treaty with the Scotts Commissioners, for the Raising of Ten thousand Scotts: -Brought Word, that the Lords were up.

Person to attend, &c.

Ordered, That the Under Sheriff for the County of Surrey be summoned to attend this House To-morrow Morning at Nine of Clock: And that he be injoined, by the said House, not to suffer any Proceedings to be made upon an Inquisition, that concerns any Persons that meet together to subscribe a Petition to be preferred to this House, till he should receive further Order from this House.

Proceedings of Members in Parliament.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill for the Members of this House, for the better Discharging of their Consciences * * * *