House of Commons Journal Volume 4
3 February 1645

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1802

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39, 40, 41

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 3 February 1645', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 4: 1644-1646 (1802), pp. 39-41. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23312 Date accessed: 24 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Die Lunæ, Februarii 3, 1644.

Prayers.

THE Grand Committee of the House proceeded to the Consideration of the Ordinance for Tonage and Poundage.

Mr. Reynolds called to the Chair.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Mr. Reynolds reports the Amendments to the Ordinance for the Subsidy of Tonage and Poundage: The which were twice read; and, upon the Question, assented unto: And the Ordinance, with the Amendments, upon the Question, passed.

Ordered, That the Paper, formerly sent in, inclosed in a Letter, concerning the Issuing of Monies upon the Affairs of the Navy by Commissioners, be delivered and referred to the Consideration of the Grand Committee of the Navy.

A Letter from Sir Wm. Waller, from Farneham, of Februarii 1.

Resolved, &c. That Two thousand Pounds be forthwith raised and provided, out of the Monies that come in upon the Excise, and added to the Four thousand Pounds formerly assigned for Sir Wm. Waller's Forces; and sent down to his Forces.

Mr. Nicoll and Mr. Trenchard are to acquaint the Commissioners of Excise with this Order; and to press them for the speedy Paying thereof.

Ordered, That Three thousand Pair of Shoes be forthwith provided and furnished for the Soldiers with Sir Wm. Waller; to be deducted out of the Soldiers Pay that shall receive them: And that these Shoes be paid for out of the Monies that come in at Haberdashers-Hall.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

It is referred to Mr. Trenchard to take care for the speedy Providing of these Three thousand Shoes; and likewise to provide a Proportion of Biscuit and Cheese: The which Biscuit and Cheese is to be paid for out of the Two thousand Pounds; and deducted out of the Soldiers Pay.

Ordered, That the rest of the Report concerning Sir Wm. Waller; and the Report concerning and supplying the publick Stores; be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning.

Two Letters, from Uxbridge, from the Commissioners, of Februarii 2, with divers Papers included, expressing the Proceedings of the Commissioners upon the Treaty, were read.

Ordered, That the House do sit this Afternoon at Three of Clock, to take the Papers, from the Commissioners at Uxbridg, into Consideration.

Mr. Recorder went up to the Lords, to desire them speedily pass the Ordinance concerning the new Model of the Army; the present Affairs and Safety of the Kingdom requiring a speedy Passing thereof; the which they think to be in very great Danger: And likewise to desire them to sit this Afternoon at Three of Clock, if it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency.

Mr. Recorder brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to sit this Afternoon at Three of Clock, as is desired; and will take the Ordinance concerning the new Model into present Consideration; and send Answer by Messengers of their own.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

That their Lordships have received divers Papers from the Commissioners at Uxbridge; and do think fit to refer the Consideration thereof to the Committee of both Kingdoms; to prepare what they conceive fit to be tendered to both Houses of Parliament, for their further Consideration therein.

Their Lordships have formerly sent down Instructions What Answer to give to the King's Propositions; and do desire Expedition therein.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Post Meridiem.

Ordered, That Sir Wm. Drake, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go beyond the Seas, for the Recovery of his Health: And that his Attendance upon this House be dispensed withal, during his Absence beyond Seas: And that he shall not be prejudiced for this his Absence.

Resolved, &c. That Captain Oneile, sent for up in safe Custody, to be examined before a Committee of this House, be forthwith discharged from any further Restraint; he having engaged himself to the Committee not to depart the Town, without the Privity and Consent of the Committee.

The House, according to the Order of the Forenoon, proceeded to the Consideration of the Papers this Day received from the Commissioners at Uxbridge, concerning the Treaty.

Resolved, &c. That the Commissioners of both Houses may declare, That what shall be delivered in Writing upon any Proposition, or upon any Part of a Proposition, is not to be binding or prejudicial to either Party, if the Treaty break off upon any other Proposition, or Part of any other Proposition.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Sir Christ. Yelverton carried it up for the Lords Concurrence.

Sir Christ. Yelverton brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Vote carried up by him.

Instructions for the Committees of both Houses of the Parliament of England, and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland respectively, agreed upon.

To the First,

YOU shall answer, "They can make it appear, that what Part of his Majesty's Revenue hath been received by both Houses of the Parliament of England, hath been employed for the Safety of the Kingdom, and his Majesty's Honour; and shall leave his Revenue to his Majesty for the future:" And you likewise shall propound to his Majesty, that he will restore what hath been taken to his Use upon any of the Bills assigned to other Purposes by several Acts of Parliament, or out of the Provision made for the War of Ireland: And you shall answer, "That the Magazines, Towns, Forts, and Ships, to be settled according to the 15, 16, and 17 Propositions."

To the Second,

You shall answer, "When it can be made to appear, that any thing hath been done or published, contrary to the known Laws of the Land, or derogatory to his Majesty's legal and known Power and Right; Answer shall be thereunto given agreeable with Justice."

To the Third,

You shall answer, "That both Houses of Parliament have exercised no Power over his Majesty's Subjects in their Persons or Estates, but what hath been done in Preservation of Religion and their Liberties; whereunto they have been necessitated by an Army raised against the Parliament and Kingdom."

To the Fourth,

You shall give for Answers The Matters contained in the Propositions concerning Religion, and the Votes and Resolutions passed both Houses, in pursuance of the same.

To the Fifth,

You shall give for Answers the Matter contained in the Fourteenth Proposition: And "the Tryal of all Persons excepted out of the general Pardon to be by both Houses of the Parliament of England, and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively."

To the Sixth,

You shall answer, "That, to his Majesty's Propositions for the Cessation of Arms, and a free Trade, it shall be taken into Consideration in Time convenient."

If the Houses of Parliament be satisfied in the good Progress of the Treaty upon the Propositions concerning Religion, the Militia, and for Ireland, they will give Time for the Treaty upon the Propositions by his Majesty.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Love the Minister shall be forthwith sent for in safe Custody.

Ordered, That, on Wednesday Morning next, peremptorily, the first Business, the Business of Church-Government be taken into Consideration: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.

Ordered, That Mr. Tate and Sir Rob. Harley do desire the Assembly of Divines to send in what is remaining concerning Church-Government.

Sir Wm. Lewes is appointed to go to the Lords, to acquaint them, This House doth concurr with the Lords in the Instructions to the Commissioners of both Kingdoms, concerning his Majesty's Propositions for Peace.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords think fit to refer the Consideration of the Matters in the Papers, sent from the Commissioners at Uxbridge to the Committee of Lords and Commons sitting at Derby-House, to prepare what is sit to be offered to the Two Houses for them to do therein: And they desire, That the said Committee will meet this Night; and give Account to the House To-morrow Morning.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of Rowland Wilson Gentleman be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for Examinations; to examine the Business; and certify the State thereof to the House; and to bail the Prisoner, if they see Cause.

Ordered, That the Papers and Reports concerning the Northern Armies, and the Business of Newcastle, be taken into Consideration To-morrow, the first Business.