House of Commons Journal Volume 4
4 October 1645

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 4 October 1645', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 4: 1644-1646 (1802), pp. 296-298. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23510 Date accessed: 23 November 2014.


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Die Sabbati, 4 Octobris, 1645.

Prayers.

AN Ordinance for appointing the Determination of the Accompts of the Excise, in the Kingdom of England, and Dominion of Wales, to be upon the Nine-and-twentieth Day of September 1645, and from thence quarterly, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

An Ordinance for directing the Acquittance of any Person that shall lend any Part of the Thousand Pounds charged upon the Excise, for the Service of the Garison of Northampton, to be a good Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise, as well for the Interest, as for the Principal, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of Colonel Edmund Harvey be referred to the Committee of the Navy: And that all the Lawyers of the House, as to this Particular, be added to that Committee: And that they do take into Consideration, What Inconvenience may happen to the State by the Exportation of the Calve-Skins, mentioned in the said Petition, or of Calve-Skins in general, by any other Person: And that they do report their Opinions thereupon to the House.

Resolved, &c. That more Lords and Commoners shall be added to the Ordinance for carrying on the Affairs of the Admiralty and Cinque-Ports.

Resolved, &c. That the Earl of Salisbury, Earl of Kent, Lord Dacres, Earl of Denbigh, and Lord Roberts, shall be added to the Ordinance for carrying on the Affairs of the Admiralty and Cinque-Ports.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Arthur Heselrige, in the place of Doctor Eden, deceased, Mr. Prideaux, Sir William Lewes, Mr. Bond, Sir John Curson, Mr. Ashurst, Colonel John Moore, Sir Henry Vane junior, Sir John Trevor, Mr. John Ashe, and Mr. Hoyle, be added to the Committee for carrying on the Affairs of the Admiralty and Cinque-Ports.

An Ordinance for Continuance of the Ordinance of the Nineteenth of April 1645, concerning the Committee of the Admiralty and Cinque-Ports, until the First Day of January next; and for Adding of Five Lords, and Ten Commoners, to that Committee; was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, That Colonel Leicester Devereux, and the Horse under his Command, do forthwith march to Colonel-General Pointz; and join with the Forces under his Command: And that the Committee of both Kingdoms do forthwith send this Order to Colonel Devereux.

Resolved, &c. That the Committee of both Kingdoms do grant a Commission to Colonel Leicester Devereux to be Colonel of a Regiment of Horse.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

A Letter from the Committee at Yorke, of primo Octobris 1645, was this Day read, relating the Taking of Sandall-Castle: And a Letter from Colonel Overton from Sandall, of 30 Septembris; and the Articles upon the Rendition of the said Castle; were this Day read.

Ordered, That the Committees of Yorkeshire, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, and Lincolnshire, be required to send all the Force they can possible spare, forthwith to join with and assist the Forces under the Command of Colonel-General Pointz: And that the Committee of both Kingdoms do take care forthwith to send away this Order accordingly.

Resolved, &c. That Sir John Gell do command the Derby Horse forthwith to march to Colonel-General Pointz, to join with the Forces under his Command: And that Sir Arthur Heselrige do prepare a Letter to be written to the Committee at Derby; to require them to pay the Horse, to be employed upon this present Service, Twenty Shillings a Man.

Mr. Greene carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Ordinance for a new Excise upon several Commodities, for the Paying of several Debts due from the Parliament to Artificers, and others: The Ordinance for Martial Law for Hantz: The Ordinance for discharging the Delinquency and Sequestration of Mr. Sandham: The Ordinance to enable the Commissioners for the Great Seal to issue Commissions for taking the Accompts of the Scotts Army: The Ordinance for enabling the Commissioners for the Great Seal to pass Patents to the new Judges of their Places: The Vote for Five hundred Pounds out of Haberdashers-Hall, for Mr. Hill: The Vote for the Committee of both Kingdoms to give a Commission to Colonel Leicester Devereux: The additional Ordinance concerning the One thousand Pounds charged upon the Excise for the Garison of Northampton: The Ordinance for ascertaining the Determination of the Accompts of the Excise: And the Ordinance for Continuance of the Committee of the Admiralty till the First Day of January next; and for Adding of Five Lords, and Ten Commoners, to That Committee.

Resolved, &c. That the One thousand Pounds formerly assigned for Nottingham, and charged upon the Sequestrations, shall be charged upon the Receipts of the Excise, and paid, in its Course, for the Service of the Nottinghamshire Horse: And that Mr. Millington do take care of procuring these Monies.

Mr. Greene brings Answer from the Lords, That as to the Ordinances for a new Excise; for Martial Law for Hantz; and for Discharge of the Delinquency and Sequestration of Mr. Sandham; they will send Answer by Messengers of their own: And, as to the other Votes and Ordinances, they do agree.

Sir Wm. Strickland, according to an Order made on Wednesday last, went to the Lords, to desire a Conference, at such Time as their Lordships Conveniencies will permit, upon something that happened upon the managing the Impeachment against the Earl of Stamford: And was to put the Lords in mind of the Ordinance concerning the Sale of Delinquents Estates; the Orders concerning Martial Law, and pressing Men, &c.

The Lords were risen before he came: He is thereupon ordered to desire this Conference the next time the Lords sit.

Resolved, &c. That the Rule by which the Committees shall proceed with such as come in to compound for their Delinquencies, shall be according to the respective Proportions set down in the Propositions of both Kingdoms, formerly sent to his Majesty, for a safe and well-grounded Peace.

The Question was propounded, Whether this Favour, of the Proportions set in the Propositions to be held with such as compound for their Delinquencies, shall be intended to none but such as shall come in between this and the First of December next:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question should be now put;

The House was divided.

The Noes went forth.

Sir John Clotworthy, Tellers for the Noe: 43.
Mr. Holles, With the Noe,
Mr. Bond, Tellers for the Yea: 68.
Mr. Moore, With the Yea,

Resolved, &c. That this Favour, of the Proportions set down in the Propositions to be held with such as compound for their Delinquencies, shall be extended to none but to such as shall come in between this and the First of December next.

Ordered, That Mr. Fountaine and Mr. Lane do bring in an Ordinance for the Payment of the Five thousand Pounds charged, by former Order of this House, upon the Receipts of the Excise; to be advanced and employed for the Purposes mentioned in the said Order.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committees of the Three Counties of Oxon, Bucks, and Berks, to take care for the present Supplying of a Thousand Pounds, charged upon the Receipts of the Excise; to be employed towards Pay of the Reformadoes that are forthwith to march to Colonel Points.

Resolved, &c. That this House be resolved into a Grand Committee, on Monday next, at Eight of Clock, the first Business after Prayers, to take into Consideration the Three Papers delivered from the Scotts Commissioners, on Wednesday last; in the first Place, the Paper concerning the Marching of that Army to Newarke, and touching the ordering, managing, and providing for that Army; and then the other Papers from the Scotts Commissioners.

Ordered, That the Letter from the General to Mr. Speaker, and the Necessities of his Army, be taken into Consideration on Monday Morning next, the first Business after Mr. Speaker comes to the Chair.

An Ordinance for securing and paying Two thousand Pounds, out of the Receipts of the Excise, unto Charles Lloyd, Merchant, to be employed for the Service of the Forces of Pembrokeshire, under Colonel Langherne, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Ailett;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver you these Papers: It is a Report from the Committee of both Kingdoms, for the Placing of a Governor in Barkley-Castle: It is upon the Desire of the Lord Barkley, Owner of the said Castle, and a Member of their House: The Lords have agreed unto it; and desire your Concurrence: - This Letter and Papers: They come from some of the County of Sussex: The Lords think sit they should be taken into Consideration by a Committee of both Houses; and have appointed Seven of their House (whereof Three to be of the Quorum); and desire you to appoint a proportionable Number, to meet on Monday at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with your Conveniency; to hear them; and report their Opinions thereupon to both House: - An Order for a Collection upon this Petition: Wherein they desire your Concurrence. The Lords do desire, having by several Messages put the House of Commons in mind concerning certain Votes long since sent to this House, concerning John Hancock, who hath faithfully served the Parliament, and been a principal Instrument of preserving the Isle of St. Nicholas by Plymouth; do now desire your due Consideration of the said Person, and your Concurrence concerning him: - Also of Mrs. Marshe's Petition, for a Pass to go to Oxford; to which they desire your Concurrence.

The Report concerning the Governor of Barkley-Castle was read: And, upon the Question,

Ordered, That this House will send Answer to it by Messengers of their own.

The Letter and Papers from the County of Sussex were read: And, upon the Question,

Resolved, That, as to these Papers, the House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, That the Committee of Lords and Commons for Irish Affairs shall have Power to give Commissions, from time to time, to such Officers as shall be employed in the War of Ireland.

Ordered, That Sir Edward Aiscough shall have Leave to go into the Country, and his Service here to be dispensed with, for Six Weeks.

Ordered, That the Lord Mounson shall have Leave to go into the Country, and his Service here to be dispensed with, during Six Weeks.

Ordered, That Colonel Purefoy shall have Leave to go into the Country, and his Service here to be dispensed with, during Six Weeks.

Ordered, That Colonel Ashton shall have Leave to go into the Country, and his Service here to be dispensed with, for Six Weeks.

Ordered, That the Committee of the West do make a Report of the Business concerning Mr. Hancock on Tuesday next.

Ordered, That the Petition of Mrs. Marsh, concerning her having a Pass to go to Oxford, be referred to the Committee of Examinations.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.