House of Commons Journal Volume 7
2 October 1651

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 2 October 1651', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 7: 1651-1660 (1802), pp. 23-25. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23873 Date accessed: 26 November 2014.


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Thursday, the 2 d of October, 1651.

Prayers.

Guiny.

ORDERED, That the Report touching the Guiny Business, be made on Tuesday Morning next, the first Business; nothing to intervene.

Army and Garisons.

Sir Henry Vane reports, from the Council of State, a Report made to the Council, from the Committee of Irish and Scottish Affairs, concerning the Forces to be continued, and what to be reduced, in England and Scotland; with the Charge of the whole, contained in Four Papers.

Whereas the Council, by their Order of the Sixteenth of September last, referred to the Consideration of this Committee, the Order of Parliament of the same Sixteenth of September, concerning what Forces of Horse or Foot, and Garisons, are necessary to be kept up; and how the same, and the Train of Artillery, and other Charges, may be lessened, as may stand with the Safety of the Commonwealth, and carrying on the Affairs in Scotland; and may tend to the easing the Burden of the Commonwealth. This Committee having had several Debates and Conferences with the Lord General, and his Officers, touching the same, have caused the Results thereupon to be formed into the Three annexed Papers: One containing a List of the Garisons as they were, and now are propounded to be; Another, A List of the several Regiments in England and Scotland, as they were, and now are propounded to be; And the Third, An Extract of the Charge of the Whole, as it was, and now is to be: With a Computation of what Decrease is of the Charge of the Whole. And if the Council shall agree upon the same, the Committee have also caused an Establishment for the Whole to be prepared; which is also ready to be tendered to the Council, if they so think fit, to be presented to the Parliament, in order to their speedy settling their whole Affairs, as to their Forces to be continued, and putting into a Way of disbanding of the rest."

A List of the several Garisons in England and Wales, and Edenburgh, and Lyth in Scotland: Together with their present Charge; and also the Charge of them to which they are propounded to be reduced, viz.

Army and Garisons.

GARISONS. Present Charge by the Month. Reducement;
£. s. d. £. s. d.
Isle of Wight 680 - - 45 10 -
Carisbrooke Castle 221 4 - 221 4 -
Cowes Castle 103 16 8 103 16 8
Sandham Castle 115 14 8 115 14 8
Yarmouth 99 12 8 99 12 8
Isle of Guernsey 1,127 - - 1,118 16 8
Scilley Islands 973 18 8 973 18 8
Mount and Dennis Fort 219 16 - 18 13 4
Pendennis &c. 786 11 4 374 - 8
Plymouth Fort 382 18 - 375 13 4
Plymouth Town 5 12 - Laid down.
Dartmouth &c. 17 10 -
Exon City 5 12 -
Exon Castle 322 18 8 1 17 4
Taunton Castle 157 - 8 - 18 8
Waymouth &c. 625 6 8 476 14 -
Portland 160 1 4 156 6 8
Bromsea Castle, and Poole 280 18 8 6 1 4
Southampton 358 8 - Laid down.
Calshott Castle 43 12 8 37 4 8
Hurst Castle 76 1 4 68 16 8
Portesmouth 735 18 8 700 14 -
Arundel Castle 169 3 4 Laid down.
Rye 212 6 8 9 16 -
Dover &c. 486 10 - 189 4 8
Quinborough and Leeds 1 17 4 Laid down.
Walmer Castle 49 - - 39 13 4
Deale Castle 70 - - 56 14 -
Sandowne Castle 49 - - 39 13 4
Sandwich 2 16 -
Upner Castle 75 16 8 71 3 4
Westminster, St. James 26 2 8 Laid down.
Tilbury Fort 125 15 4 107 11 4
Merzey Island 130 13 4 126 - -
Harwich 18 8 8 8 17 4
Landguard Fort 188 1 4 185 5 4
Yarmouth 38 5 4 20 1 4
Lyn &c. 49 - - 390 7 4
Boston 325 14 8 9 16 -
Hull 82 2 8 519 17 4
Scarborough 341 16 8 Laid down.
Clifford Tower in York 7 18 8 60 13 4
Newcastle 92 12 - 21 9 4
Tynmouth Castle 59 - 8 356 1 4
Berwick and Holy Island 77 18 8 975 2 -
Carlisle 58 16 - 496 6 -
Bridgewater 2 16 - Laid down.
Liverpoole 27 6 - 169 8 -
Chester 48 6 - 171 14 8
Holt Castle 37 2 - Laid down.
Stafford 168 18 8 2 16 -
Shrewsbury 28 14 - 168 - -
Ludlow Castle 7 - - 1 17 4
Chepstow 14 18 8 1 17 4
Hereford 9 2 - 124 16 8
Gloucester 39 4 - 404 12 -
Bristoll 343 18 8 132 6 -
Wallingford 16 11 4 8 17 4
Windsore 210 - - 50 8 -
Oxford 42 - - Laid down.
Warwick 143 14 8 70 - -
Coventry 311 5 4 2 16 -
Cardiff and Swansey 11 13 4 8 17 4
Tinby 17 - 8 7 9 4
Carmarthen 15 3 4 2 6 8
Denbigh 145 12 - 1 17 4
Conway 152 2 8 2 6 8
Carnarvon 142 6 8 7 - -
Red Castle 112 18 8 Laid down.
Bew Maris 172 4 - 130 8 8
Holy-head 114 11 4 82 12 -
Edenburgh and Leith 117 12 - 183 3 4
Sum Total £. 12,688 2 5 10,317 13 4

The Charge of the several Regiments and Troops, that were reckoned as belonging to the marching Army, but kept Guards in Lyn, Hull, York, Newcastle, Tinmouth, Barwick, Carlisle, Liverpoole, Chester, Shrewsbury, Hereford, and Gloucester, was by the Month 12,118£. 17s. 4d. But as the Guards are now settled to those Places, though the Charge seems to be increased, the whole is reduced to 3,858£. 8s.

The Old Regiments of Foot, viz. The Standing Forces. The Forces to be disbanded.
Lord Gen. Cromwell's 10 Companies
Major Gen. Lambert's 10 Companies
Major Gen. Deane's 10 Companies
Col. Ingoldsbie's 10 Companies
Col. Pride's 10 Companies
Col. Barkstead's 10 Companies
Col. Fairefaxe's 10 Companies
Col. Goffe's 10 Companies
Sir Arthure Hesilrig's 10 Companies put into Gar.
Sir Hardres Waller's To be sent to Ireland.
Col. Hayne's 4 Companies for Weymouth. 6 to be disbanded
Lieut. Gen. Monoke's 10 Companies
Col. Fenwick's 10 Companies
Col. Overton's 10 Companies
Col. Daniell's 10 Companies
Col. Ashfield's 10 Companies
Col. Cooper's 10 Companies
Col. Cobbett's 10 Companies
Col. Fitche's 10 Companies
Col. Reade's 10 Companies
Col. Alured's 10 Companies
Col. Gibbon's to be disbanded.
Col. West's to be reduced into Col. Ccoper's.
Col. Bennett's to be disbanded.
Sir Wm. Constable's 4 Comp. 7 6 to be disbanded.
Col. Duckenfield's 3 Companies 7 to be disbanded.
Col. Walton's 3 Companies 7 to be disbanded.
Col. Philip Jones's to be disbanded.
Col. Syler's to be disbanded.
Col. Overton's 4 Companies 4 to be disbanded.

In all Thirty Regiments of Foot; whereof Eighteen Regiments to be continued for England and Scotland; and Sir Hardres Waller's to be sent for Ireland; Sir Arthure Hesilrige's Regiment, and Eighteen other single Companies, for several Garisons: And Five whole Regiments, and Thirty single Companies, to be disbanded.

The Train of Artillery as it lately was;
The old Regiment of Horse, viz. The Standing Forces. The Forces to be disbanded.
Lord Gen. Cromwell's 6 Troops.
Major Gen. Lambert's 6 Troops.
Lieut. Gen. Fleetwood's 6 Troops.
Comm. Gen. Whalley's 6 Troops.
Major Gen. Harrison's 6 Troops.
Maj. Gen. Desborowe's 6 Troops.
Col. Riche's 6 Troops.
Col. Thomlinson's 6 Troops.
Col. Twisleton's 6 Troops.
Col. Lilburne's 6 Troops.
Col. Okeie's 6 Troops.
Col. Hacker's 6 Troops.
Col. Saunders' 6 Troops.
Col. Berrie's 6 Troops.
Col. Grosvenor's 6 Troops.
Col. Blundell's 6 Troops.
Col. Alured's to be disbanded.
Col. Lydcott's to be disbanded.

In all Eighteen Regiments; whereof Sixteen to be continued for England and Scotland; and Two Regiments to be disbanded.

A Regiment of Dragoons, Eight Troops.

As they were per Mensem. What is now presented to be established. The Abatement thereby per Mensem. The Increase in some Particulars in relation to Scotland only.
£. s. d. £. s. d. £. s. d. £. s. d.
The Total Charge of the General Officers of the Army in England and Scotland 1,083 9 8 1,131 1 8 47 12 0
The Total Charge of the Horse in England 36,251 12 0 14,869 17 4 21,381 14 8 -
The Total Charge of the Foot in England 38,579 10 8 9,900 16 0 28,678 14 8 -
The Total Charge of the Horse in Scotland 13,941 13 4 22,337 0 0 8,395 6 8
The Total Charge of the Foot in Scotland 11,526 13 4 18,809 0 0 7,282 6 8
The Total Charge of the Dragoons in Scotland 1,750 0 0 2,870 18 8 1,120 18 8
The Total Charge of the Train of Artillery, Part England and Part Scotland 1,689 3 2 1,689 3 2 -
The Total Charge of the Garisons in England and Wales, and of Leith and Edenburgh 12,688 2 5 10,317 13 4 2,370 9 1 -
The Total Charge of the Life-Guard 372 8 0 372 8 0
Total £. 117,510 4 7 82,297 18 2 52,430 18 5 17,218 12 0
Which said Sum of 17,218£. 12s. being deducted from the aforesaid Sum of 52,430£. 18s. 5d. the saving will be, per Mensem 35,212£. 6s. 5d.

The Question being put, That Dennis Fort stand;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That the Mount do stand.

Resolved, That Consideration be had of this Vote touching Dennis Fort, in the Establishment.

The Question being put, That the Reducement of 18£. 8s. for the Garison of Taunton Castle, do stand;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That the Garison of Taunton Castle be laid down.

The Question being put, To agree with the Council of State, that Arundell Castle be laid down:

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That it be referred back to the Council of State, to consider of Arundell Castle, how the same may be kept up.

Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Council, that Eighteen Regiments of Foot be continued for England and Scotland; Sir Hardres Waller's to be sent for Ireland; Sir Arthure Hesilrig's Regiment, and Eighteen other single Companies, for several Garisons, be continued, according to the Report; and Five whole Regiments, and Thirty single Companies of Foot, be laid down, as is mentioned in the Report: And that the Lord General be ordered to see them disbanded, accordingly.

Resolved, That Two Regiments of Horse be disbanded, according to this Report.

The Question being put, That Colonel Blundell's Regiment be disbanded;

The House divided:

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Henry Vane, Tellers for the Yeas: 29.
Sir Arthur Hesilrig, With the Yeas,
Sir Michael Livesey, Tellers for the Noes: 19.
Mr. Scott. With the Noes.

So it was Resolved, That Colonel Blundell's Regiment be disbanded.

Resolved, That the Lord General do take Care to see these Three Regiments of Horse disbanded, accordingly.