House of Commons Journal Volume 7
29 December 1652

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 29 December 1652', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 7: 1651-1660 (1802), pp. 237-239. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=24132 Date accessed: 24 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Wednesday, the 29 of December, 1652.

Prayers.

Sale of late King's Property.

THE House this Day resumed the Debate upon the Amendments to the Bill for Sale of several Parks and Houses lately belonging to the King, Queen, and Prince.

The Question being put, To agree to the Amendment, "the Manor House of Yorke, and other the Grounds, Buildings, and other Appurtenances thereunto belonging;"

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Colonel Marten, Tellers for the Noes: 35.
Mr. Henry Darley, With the Noes,
Colonel Fielder, Tellers for the Yeas: 19.
Mr. Ralegh, With the Yeas,

So it passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That these Words, viz. "and selling the Houses, Woods, and Timber, at the best Advantage for the Commonwealth," be added in the Amendment, next after the Word . . . . .

And the said Amendments, being put to the Question, were agreed unto.

A Proviso was tendered to this Bill, in these Words; "Provided always, and be it Enacted, That it shall and may be lawful to and for any Person or Persons whatsoever, to walk in the Park, called Greenwich Park, hereby exposed to Sale; as also to have and enjoy the Benefit of the Water coming to Greenwich-house, through the said Park; and also the Benefit of the Water coming through Hide-park, to the City of Westminster, Whitehall, and Places adjoining; as hath been heretofore used and accustomed; any thing in this Act to the contrary in any wise notwithstanding:" Which was read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, rejected.

Ordered, That Mr. Lechmere, Mr. Hill, and Mr. Long, do prepare a Proviso, to be inserted into this Bill, for the reserving the Water-courses through Greenwich-park to Greenwich-house, and through Hide-park to Westminster, Whitehall, and other Places.

The Question being put, That the Mansion-house, commonly called Hampton-court, in the County of Middlesex, with the Barns, Stables, Out-houses, Gardens, Orchards, Yards, Courts, and Back-sides belonging unto, or used or enjoyed with, the said Mansion-house, with the Park, commonly called the House-park, do stand in the Bill;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir John Hippisley, Tellers for the Noes: 30.
Mr. Ralegh, With the Noes,
Colonel Marten, Tellers for the Yeas: 18.
Mr. Gurdon, With the Yeas,

So it passed with the Negative.

The Question being put, That all that Castle commonly called Windsore-castle, in the County of Berks, with the Yard near adjoining to the said Castle, commonly called the Timber-yard, with the Buildings therein, heretofore used and enjoyed for or by the Officers of the Works belonging to the said Castle, do stand in the Bill;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Colonel Marten, Tellers for the Yeas: 19.
Mr. Leman, With the Yeas,
Sir John Hippisley, Tellers for the Noes: 29.
Mr. Ralegh, With the Noes,

So it passed with the Negative.

The Question being put, That all that Mansion-house, commonly called Greenwich-house, in the County of Kent, with all the Barns, Stables, Out-houses, Yards, Orchards, Gardens, Easements, and Appurtenances thereunto belonging, and therewith usually enjoyed, stand in the Bill;

It passed with the Affirmative.

The Question being put, That Bushy-park, and the Middle-park, do stand in the Bill;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That this Bill, so amended, be ingrossed.

Commissioners of the Navy.

Major Salwey reports from the Council of State, That it be humbly presented to the Parliament, upon Consideration of the Case of Mr. John Holland, Commissioner and Surveyor of the Navy, who desires to be discharged; as also upon the Necessity, that appears to them, of adding Commissioners to carry on the Service, that Mr. Nehemiah Bourne, and Mr. Edward Hopkins, be tendered to the Parliament, to be Commissioners of the Navy, with the same Salaries as others the Commissioners have.

Merchants Ships lost:

That it be humbly represented to the Parliament, to refer to the Council, the Ship Anthony Bonadventure belonging to Merchant Owners, that was honourably lost in fight, with the Enemy, in the late Engagement: And that the Council be ordered to make such Allowance towards Satisfaction to the Owners of that Ship, as to them shall appear reasonable:

And that it be likewise referred to the Council, to make Allowance in like Cases for the Time to come, where Merchants Ships shall be honourably lost in the State's Service; and as, upon Consideration had of the particular Cases, shall be found reasonable:

Navy Pay.

That the Rates and Proportions of Pay hereafter named be allowed to the Carpenter's Crew, serving in the State's Ships at Sea, they being left out in the new Establishment for Encouragement of Seamen, to commence from the First of January next:

1 Rank. 2 Rank. 3 Rank. 4 Rank. 5 Rank. 6 Rank.
£. s. d. £. s. d. £. s. d. £. s. d. £. s. d. £. s. d.
1. 6. 0. 1. 6. 0. 1. 5. 0. 1. 5. 0. 1. 5. 0. 1. 5. 0.

Resolved, by the Parliament, That the Rates and Proportions of Pay aforesaid be allowed to the Carpenters Crew, serving in the State's Ships at Sea, to commence from the 1st of January next.

Thursday, the 30th of December, 1652.

Prayers.

Irish Officers.

ORDERED, That the Report touching the Propositions made by the Officers of the Army in Ireland, be made on Tuesday Morning next, the first Business.

Com r of Assessment.

Ordered, That Roger Hill of Taunton in the County of Somersett, Gentleman, be added a Commissioner for the monthly Assessment in the said County of Somersett; and that he be, and is hereby, impowered to sit, and act, accordingly.

Deans and Chapters Lands.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Commissioners for inspecting the Treasuries, to consider what Lands of the late Deans and Chapters remain yet unsold; and to prepare and present an Act to the Parliament for Sale thereof, if there be Cause.

Cheshire.

Ordered, That the Report touching the Cheshire Gentlemens Engagements be made To-morrow Fortnight.

Sir R. Gurney.

Ordered, That the Report touching the Executors of Sir Richard Gurney be made on this Day Fortnight.

Sale of late King's Property.

An Act for the exposing to Sale divers Castles, Houses, Parks, Lands, and Hereditaments belonging to the late King, Queen, or Prince, exempted from Sale by a former Act, was this Day read the Third time.

Sale of late King's Property.

The Question being put, That the Words "Gardens Orchards, Easements, Hereditaments, and Appurtenances, to the said Castle belonging," do stand in the Bill;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That these Words, viz. "together with all those Meadows unto the said Park adjoining, commonly called the King's Meadows, or the Park Meadows," be added instead thereof.

Resolved, That these Words be inserted into this Act; viz. "And all those Buildings commonly known by the Name of the Queen's New Buildings, and the Gardens, Orchards, Yards, Courts, and Backsides, belonging unto and now used and enjoyed with the said House, in Greenwich aforesaid."

The Question being put that these Words; viz. "the Committee of Parliament hereafter named," do stand;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That these Words; viz. "Commissioners of Obstructions before-mentioned," be inserted instead thereof.

The Question being put, That the House commonly called Walling ford-house, with the Garden thereunto belonging, be sold by this Bill;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Wm. Masham, Tellers for the Noes: 27.
Colonel Sidney, With the Noes,
Lord Mounson, Tellers for the Yeas: 28.
Sir Gilbert Pickering, With the Yeas,

So it was Resolved, That the House commonly called Wallingford-house, with the Garden thereunto belonging, be sold by this Bill.

A Proviso was tendered to this Act, in these Words; viz. "Provided also, That, whereas formerly, to the House in Greenwich aforesaid, now or lately called or known by the Name of the King's House, with the Appurtenances, appointed to be sold by this present Act, one or more Waters or Watercourses were brought out of or through that Park there, commonly called or known by the Name of Greenwich-park, by several Ways and Means; as also to several the Buildings, Gardens, Curtelages, and Out-houses, belonging to the said House, for the Use and Benefit of the said House, and other the Premises: And whereas also several Waters and Watercourses have heretofore come, and run through and from the Park aforesaid, commonly called Hyde-park, in and to the Cities of London and Westminster, Whitehall, and other Places to them near adjoining, for the Use and Benefit of the said City and Places; Be it Enacted, by the Authority aforesaid, That all and every Person and Persons, which shall buy and purchase the said House called Greenwich-house, or any Part or Parcel thereof, or any the Premises thereunto belonging, by virtue of this Act of Parliament; and all and every the Owners of the Houses and Tenements in the Cities of London and Westminster, Whitehall, and other the Places near adjacent, that have usually had and enjoyed any such Water or Watercourse to their Houses and Tenements belonging, their Heirs and Assigns for ever; shall and may have and enjoy the Use and Benefit of the said Waters and Watercourses respectively for their Houses, Tenements, and Premises, in like manner as in times passed; and shall from time to time, and at all times, for ever, as ought as Need shall require, maintain and preserve the same: And, to that Purpose, shall and may enter into the said Parks (giving convenient Notice thereof to the Owners of the same) with their Horses, Carts, and Carriages, at all times convenient, and in Places needful, for the Mending and Repair of the same; and to dig the Earth, new laying the same again, having new amended the said Watercourses at their own Costs and Charges, without paying any thing therefore to him or them, their Heirs or Assigns, that shall be Purchasers or Owners of the said Parks, or any Part or Parcel thereof, or to their Heirs or Assigns:" Which was read the First and Second time.

Resolved, That the City of London be inserted into this Proviso.

The said Proviso, so amended, being put to the Question, was rejected.

Ordered, That Mr. Goodwyn and Mr. Say do bring in a Proviso To-morrow Morning, for reserving the Water courses going through Greenwich-park and Hyde-park.

A Clause was tendered, to be inserted into this Act, in these Words; "And be it further Enacted, by the Authority aforesaid, That all and every Reversion and Reversions, Remainder and Remainders, of any Honours, Manors, Castles, Houses, Messuages, Chaces, Parks, Lands, Tenements, or Hereditaments, with their and every of their Appurtenances; and of all Royalties or Franchises, Privileges or Immunities, to all and every of them belonging or appertaining, or therewith lawfully used, occupied or enjoyed, as Part or Parcel thereof, which were lawfully vested, settled, remaining, or being, in the said late King, as in Right of the Crown of England, or Duchy of Lancaster, on the last Day of April, in the Year of our Lord God 1635, or at any time since, expectant upon any Estate Tail, are and shall be vested and settled in the Trustees and Contractors appointed by this Act for the Sale of the said other Lands herein before-mentioned, their Heirs and Assigns, as the said other Lands are, by virtue of this Act, and to and for the same Uses, and shall be under the same Powers, Rules, Orders, and Directions as the said other Lands are by this Act: And that the said Trustees and Contractors, or any Five or more of them, shall have the like Power and Authority, and are hereby authorized and required, to contract for, bargain, and sell, by Deeds, inrolled, according to this Act, all and every the said Reversion and Reversions, Remainder or Remainders, to the respective Tenant or Tenants in Tail, of any the Premises, that shall desire to buy the same; or to any Person or Persons, Bodies Politick or Corporate, that shall or will buy or purchase, and give most for the same; at such Values and Prizes as the said Trustees and Contractors, or any Five or more of them, shall think meet and convenient for the best Advantage of the Commonwealth, so as it be not under the Value of Years Purchase: And that all and every such Contract, Bargain and Sale, Conveyance and Assurance, shall be good and effectual in Law, to all Intents and Purposes, to all and every such Purchaser and Purchasers, their Heirs and Assigns; and that they, and every of them, shall and may have, hold, and enjoy, all and every the said Reversion and Reversions, Remainder and Remainders, with all Rights, Entries, Actions, Benefits, Privileges, and Advantages whatsoever, and free from all Trusts, Accounts, Tythes, Charges and Incumbrances, in as large, ample, and beneficial Manner, as the said late King or Crown lawfully had or held, or might lawfully have had, held, or enjoyed the same; any Fine or Fines, Recovery or Recoveries, Conveyance and Assurance, or other Act or Thing whatsoever made, levied, done, or suffered, or to be had, made, levied, done, or suffered, by any Tenant or Tenants in Tail, of any the said Premises, or other Person or Persons, by their or any of their Assent, Means, or Procurement; other than such Leases as have been, or shall be, made, of all or any the Premises, according to the Statute of the Two-and-Thirtieth Year of King Henry the VIIIth, in that Behalf made, in any wise notwithstanding: And that all and every such Fine or Fines, Recovery or Recoveries, Conveyance or Assurance, or other Act or Thing, shall be utterly void, and of no Effect, as well against the said Trustees, their Heirs and Assigns, as against all and every such Purchaser or Purchasers, their Heirs and Assigns, as the same should have been against the said late King, his Heirs and Successors, or any of them, according to the Statute of . . . 34th Year of the said King Henry the VIIIth, Cap. 20°. concerning Recoveries against such Tenants in Tail, as if the said Reversion or Reversions, Remainder or Remainders, had continued, remained, or been in the said late King or Crown, at the Time of such Fine or Recovery or other Assurance, to be holden of the Manor of East-Greenwich in Fee and common Socage, by Fealty only, and not otherwise: Saving to all and every Person and Persons, Bodies Politick and Corporate, other than the said late King, his Heirs and Successors, and all claiming from, by, or under them, or any of them, since the 26th Day of March 1641, all Right, Title, Interest, Possession, Entries, Annuities, Commodities, Fees, and other Profits, which they, or any of them, now have, or of Right ought to have and enjoy, since the said 26th of March 1641:" Which was now read the First time.

Com r of Assessment.

Ordered, That Sir Thomas Huggan be added a Commissioner for the Monthly Assessment in the County of Norfolk: And that he be, and is hereby, impowered to sit and act accordingly.

Com rs of the Navy.

The House this Day resumed the Debate upon the Report made Yesterday by Major Salwey.

Resolved, That Mr. Nehemiah Bourne be one of the Commissioners of the Navy, with the same Salary as the other Commissioners of the Navy have.

Resolved, That Mr. Edward Hopkins be one of the Commissioners of the Navy, with the same Salary as the other Commissioners of the Navy have.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Commissioners of the Admiralty and Navy, to see these Votes put in Execution.

Merchants Ships lost.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Council of State, to make such Allowance towards Satisfaction of Owners of the Ship Anthony Bonadventure, which was honourably lost in Fight with the Enemy, as to the said Council shall appear reasonable.

Ordered, That it be likewise referred to the Council of State, to make Allowance in like Cases, for the Time to come, where Merchants Ships shall be honourably lost in the State's Service; and as, upon Consideration had of the particular Cases, shall be found reasonable.