Die Mercurii, 16 Decembris, 1646.
Countess of Essex.
AN Ordinance for disposing an Arrear of Four thousand Five hundred Fifty Pounds, of a Jointure of
One thousand Three hundred Pounds per Annum, settled
upon the Countess of Essex, by the Earl of Essex, deceased,
sequestered from the Countess of Essex, for her Delinquency,
to the Parliament, was this Day read the First and Second
The humble Petition of Elizabeth Countess of Essex
was likewise this Day read.
The Ordinance, upon the Question, passed: And the
Lords Concurrence is ordered to be desired herein.
Leave of Absence.
Resolved, &c. That Sir Roger Townsend and Horace
Townsend his Brother, shall have Leave to travel for Three
Years, with his Followers and Company, in Number Eight,
with such Necessaries as may lawfully be transported.
Ordered, That Mr. Gell shall have Leave to go into
the Country: And that his Absence be no Prejudice to
the Cause now depending.
Grant for Scotch Army.
Mr. Crew carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence,
the Articles agreed on, concerning the conveying, paying,
telling, and receiving the First Two hundred thousand
Pounds, to our Brethren of Scotland.
Countess of Essex.
Mr. Solicitor carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence,
an Ordinance concerning an Arrear of Four thousand Five
hundred Fifty Pounds, of the Jointure settled upon the
Countess of Essex, by the late Earl of Essex, sequestered
from her, upon her Delinquency to the Parliament.
Committee of Priviloges.
Mr. Sayer, Mr. Gott, Sir Tho. Wroth, Mr. Palmer, Sir
John Liegh, Colonel Liegh, Colonel Harvey, Mr. Tolson,
Mr. Fenwick, Mr. Clive, Mr. Francis Pierpoint, Colonel
Hunt, Mr. Hallowes, Mr. Walter Long, Mr. Henry Smith,
Mr. Vachell, Mr. Drake, Mr. Nicholl, Mr. Robinson, Mr.
Lisle, Mr. Grimston, Sir Richard Skevington, Colonel
Birch, Mr. Swynfen, Sir John Burgoyn, Mr. Dove, Mr.
James Ashe, Colonel Ashton, Sir Samuell Luke, Sir John
Holland, Mr. Ascough, Colonel Charles Fleetwood, Sir
Thomas Barnardiston, Mr. Edward Stephens, Major Harrison, Mr. Peck, Major Salwey, Mr. John Nelthorpe, Sir
Wm. Spring, Mr. Scawen, Mr. Weaver, Sir Robert Nedeham, Sir Gregory Norton, Sir John D' Anvers, Sir Symonds
D' Ewes, Mr. Bulkley, Mr. Grove, Sir Francis Drake, Sir
Sam. Roll, Sir Wm. Lister, Colonel Lloyd, Mr. Bingham,
Colonel Wauton, Mr. Hobby, Mr. Peter Temple, Mr.
Wheeler, Colonel Harley, Mr. Lislebone Longe, Mr.
Whitehead, Sir Robert Bindloes, Mr. Strode, Sir Henry
Cholmley, Mr. Ravenscroft, Mr. Challener, Mr. James
Nelthorp, Colonel Norton, Colonel White, Colonel Ireton,
Mr. Thorpe, Mr. Cawleye, Mr. Noble, Mr. Thistlethwait,
Ordered, That these Members before going be added to
the Committee of Privileges.
Resolved, &c. That the Committee of Privileges shall
make their Reports every Monday: And that the Mondays
in every Week be set apart constantly for that Purpose.
Resolved, &c. That the Committee for Elections do sit
constantly Three times every Week: And the Members
that are of that Committee are enjoined to attend diligently that Service.
An Additional Ordinance for the Alteration and Explanation of the Oath formerly appointed to be taken by the
Surveyors of Bishops Lands; and for the better Enabling
of the Trustees for Bishops Lands, named in the former
Ordinances, to discharge the Trust in them reposed; was
this Day read the Second time.
And the Question being put, For Committing of it;
And passing with the Negative;
The Ordinance, upon the Question, passed: And is ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.
Colonel Harvey carried it to the Lords for their Concurrence.
He likewise carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence,
an Order concerning the Putting out of the Name of Leicestershire out of the Ordinance, concerning the Lady Blaney having Allowance out of the Lord Brudnell's Estate.
Answers from Lords.
Mr. Crew brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to
the Articles carried by him to them for their Concurrence.
Mr. Solicitor brings Answer, That the Lords will send
Answer to the Ordinance carried to the Lords by him, by
Messengers of their own.
Great Seal, &c.
Resolved, &c. That the Custody of the Great Seal of
England shall continue in the Hands it now remains, for
Twenty Days after the Expiration of the Time it is now
to continue; and likewise the Commission to the Judges,
&c. for Hearing of Causes.
Mr. Samuell Browne went to the Lords, to desire their
Concurrence in this Vote.
Resolved, &c. That this House doth declare, That the
Clause contained in the Ordinance for Continuation of the
Excise or new Impost until the Twenty-ninth of September 1648, concerning the Entry of Assignments of Debts
charged upon the Receipts of the Excise, with the Commissioners of Excise, and the Comptroller, shall not be prejudicial to any Person or Persons, who have lent or advanced any Monies, or have any Monies due unto them,
by virtue of the several Ordinances for appointing the Sale
of the Bishops Lands; and have not entered their said Monies lent, or so due, with the said Commissioners: And
the Commissioners of Excise, and the Comptroller, are
hereby authorized and required to receive, and allow of
the Entries of the respective Advancers of Monies upon
the Credit of the said Ordinances for the Sale of the Bishops
Lands; notwithstanding the Time appointed by the said
Clause, in the said Ordinance for Continuation of the
Excise, be elapsed.
Mr. Holles reports the Desires of the Contractors, That
whereas they are bound, by their Oaths, from selling
Lands in Possession under Ten Years Purchase of the full
Value which the Lands were worth in the Year 1641; that
in regard the Value cannot possibly come within their Cognizance, that it may be explained, that they shall not sell
under Ten Years Purchase of the full Values, according to
such Particulars as shall be made forth unto them, under
the Hand of the Register; and that the last Clause, videlicet, The same Rule to be observed proportionably in
the Sale of Reversions expectant upon Estates for Lives or
Years, may be left out of their Oath; or a Rule prescribed; because an Estate for Three Lives, or Thirty-one
Years and upwards, comes not with in Ten Years Purchase:
That the Register's Deputy may be sworn to be faithful in
his Place: And that they may have Liberty to chuse their
own Clerk; and have a reasonable Allowance for him;
because divers Warrants and Returns are to be made by
them to the Register: And that incident Charges of Paper,
Pens, Ink, Books, Firing, and other Accommodations,
may be allowed them. And
It is thereupon Ordered, That these several Desires be
referred to the Consideration of the Members of this House
that are of the Committee of Lords and Commons, in the
Ordinance for Allowance of the Trustees Warrants, upon
any Question made of the Payment of them, by the Treasurers: Who are to consider of their Desires; and to consider of an Oath for the Register's Deputy; and report
their Opinions thereupon with all convenient Speed: And
Mr. Samuell Browne and Mr. Robert Reynolds, are added
to this Committee, as to this Business.
Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree to allow to
the Contractors Two-pence in the Pound for all the Lands
that shall be contracted for by them, and sold.
Resolved, &c. That, in the Ordinance for appointing
the Sale of the Bishops Lands, in the Clause concerning
the Payment, and dividing the Monies, arising by the Sale
thereof, to the Lenders, after these Words, "if the Sum
by him lent," and before the Word "shall," these Words,
videlicet, "or otherwise due by this Ordinance," be added: And likewise, that, in the Instructions for the Contractors, in the last Instruction, after these Words, "their
Monies so lent," and before the Word "shall," these
Words, "or otherwise due by this Ordinance," shall be
The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.
Answers from Lords.
Mr. Samuell Browne brings Answer, That the Lords do
agree, That the Seal be continued in the Custody of the
Speakers of both Houses, for Twenty Days after the Expiration of the Time they were made Commissioners: And
likewise for the continuing the Commission for Hearing of
Causes as is desired.
Colonel Harvey brings Answer, That the Lords will
send Answer to the Ordinance concerning the Oath to be
given to the Surveyors, and to the Amendment of the Ordinance for the Lady Blaney, by Messengers of their own.
Privilege- Reflections on a Member.
The House being informed, That Sir David Watkins
was at the Door;
He was called in: And being demanded, What Words
were spoken by him, upon the Exchange, concerning Sir
Sir David Watkins saith, That, upon Wednesday, being this Day Sevennight, he told Mr. Maurice Thompson,
That he heard, that Sir John Evelyn, of Wiltes, should say,
either in the House of Commons, or some where else, "That
he thought it was fit to speak to Mr. Speaker, That it was
time to send for the Army, to curb the Pride and Insolency of the mechanick Citizens."
Privilege Reflections on a Member.
Being asked, Of whom he heard this; Sir David Watkins answered, That Mr. Rycrofte, a Merchant, told it
him, On Yesterday Sevennight, between One and Two of
the Clock, upon the Exchange, as he was going from his
own House to Goldsmiths Hall: That he was much grieved,
that any Man should have so little of a Man in him, to
speak such Words of the City of London, that had spent
so much Treasure and Blood in this Cause: That Mr.
Pennoyer came to him, on the Exchange, on Saturday
last, and charged him with what he had spoken; and
that he then affirmed to Mr. Pennoyer the same he had
spoken to Mr. Maurice Thompson; and told Mr. Pennoyer
That he heard it on the Exchange: That Mr. Pennoyer
drew him to the Place where Mr. Forth stood: That Mr.
Forth is a Stranger to him; that he knows him only as
he hath seen him to pay his Twentieth Part, and his
Assessment, to the Scotts, at Goldsmiths Hall; and that
he was formerly taken for a Malignant.
The House being informed, That Mr. Rycrofte was
at the Door;
He was called in: And, being asked, What he had
heard concerning the Bringing-up of the Army; Mr.
Rycrofte faith, That he was told, That a Member of
this House should speak to some Members of this House,
sitting by him in this House, "That this way of Petitioning,
and making Tumults in the City, would not be quelled,
until the Army was brought up:" That one Mr. Drake, of
Cheapside, told him, That Mr. Bearde, Mr. Browne, Mr.
Brindley, and Colonel Barton, heard it of a Member of
The House commanded him to withdraw.
Resolved, &c. That Mr. Rycrofte shall be asked, Who
was the Member, that told those Gentlemen in London the
Words informed to be spoken by a Member of this House.
Resolved, &c. That Mr. Rycrofte be injoined to tell
the House, What Member spake the Words to other Members; and the Names of the Members to whom he spake,
that sat by him; and who was the Member, that told the
Gentlemen in London that told him.
Mr. Rycrofte, being called in again; and injoined to
name the Member; faith, That Mr. Drake this Morning
told him, That he could make good Proof of what he
had told him; and that Mr. Gott did tell him so.
He faith, He doth not positively know, What Member it was that spake it; or to whom he spake it: That
he named no Member to Sir David Watkins; but a Gentleman who was with Sir David Watkins named a Member of this House; and asked, If it were not Sir John Evelyn: That he knows not the Gentleman that was with Sir
David Watkins; and that Sir David Watkins answered
nothing, but went away.
Mr. Rycrofte being withdrawn;
Mr. Gott gave an Answer to Mr. Rycrofte's Information; and, by Mr. Gott's own Consent, his Answer to Mr.
Rycrofte's Information is entered: The which Answer was
in hæc verba; viz. That he doth deny, that ever he heard
Sir John Evelyn, or any other Member of the House of
Commons, speak those Words, or any Words to that
Effect; or that ever he spake any such Words, or Words
to that Effect, to Mr. Drake, or any other.
Mr. Rycrofte, being called in again; and having heard
this Information read to him; affirmed the same: And
faith further, That Mr. William Drake told him so; and
that he lives in Cheapside: That himself never heard Mr.
Browne, Mr. Bearde, or Colonel Barton, say so: But Mr.
Drake, who told it him, said, He was there himself
present, when Mr. Browne, Mr. Beard, Colonel Barton,
and Mr. Gott, were together; and that he heard it from
Mr. Gott himself.
That he heard not, Which Sir John Evelyn it was, that
was said to speak those Words.
Sir David Watkins being called in again, heard his Information read; and agreed to it: And further faith,
That Mr. Rycrofte named Sir John Evelyn of Wilts, to him
first; and that Mr. Hartlib was present, and stood by, and
heard him: That Mr. Hartlib named nobody: And that
there was another present with Mr. Rycrofte; Who it was,
he knows not.
And then withdrew.
Mr. Pennoyer was called in; and heard his Information
read unto him; and did agree it to be according as he
Sir David Watkins, Mr. Pennoyer, and Mr. Rycrofte,
were all called in together: And, in the Presence one of
another in the House, Mr. Pennoyer says, That he came
to Sir David Watkins, and told him, What a grievous Thing
it was to see such Divisions; and that these Divisions between the Parliament and City would be the Ruin of this
Kingdom; and that it was a devilish Part of any to work
these Divisions: That then Sir David Watkins told him,
That Sir John Evelyn should speak those Words he formerly informed: And that Sir David Watkins began this
Discourse concerning Sir John Evelyn to him; and that
he spake nothing of it first to him; and that he never to
his Knowledge, heard of those Words, concerning Sir John
Evelyn, before; nor of any thing concerning the Bringingup of the Army.
Sir David Watkins speaks it positively, That Mr. Pennoyer charged the Speaking of the Words upon him, before he spake any thing to Mr. Pennoyer, concerning Sir
Sir David Watkins speaks it positively, That Mr. Rycrofte told him, That Sir John Evelyn should speak those
Words informed by him: And that Mr. Hartelyb was
then by, at his Speaking thereof.
Mr. Rycrofte speaks it positively, That he never informed Sir David Watkins any such thing, concerning Sir
John Evelyn; or ever named Sir John Evelyn unto him;
but that he informed him the Words set down in his Examination: And that a Gentleman that was by, asked, if
it were not Sir John Evelyn: That he never knew Sir John
Evelyn; nor ever heard any Word of Sir John Evelyn,
Ordered, &c. That Mr. Wm. Drake be summoned to
attend the House To-morrow Morning.
Ordered, &c. That, To-morrow Morning, the first Business, the House do consider of the Business of Hostages;
and proceed in the Residue of the Paper last given in from
the Commissioners of Scotland.