House of Commons Journal Volume 8
12 November 1660

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 8: 12 November 1660', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 8: 1660-1667 (1802), pp. 181-182. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=26298 Date accessed: 24 July 2014.


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Monday, 12th November, 1660.

Prayers.

Debt to Pecke.

Resolved, That the Sum of Three thousand Four hundred Forty-three Pounds Twelve Shillings and Five-pence Halfpeny, remaining due to Henry Pecke Esquire, by virtue of former Orders of Parliament, and formerly ordered by this House to be paid out of Estates of Recusants, remaining in the Hands of Receivers, be charged on the Excise, and paid to the said Henry Pecke, his Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, out of the Excise, in Course, after the other Sums, formerly charged by this Parliament on the Excise, be paid and satisfied: And the Commissioners of the Excise are impowered and required to pay the same accordingly. And this Order, together with the Acquittance of Mr. Pecke, his Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, testifying his Receipt thereof, shall be to the Commissioners a sufficient Warrant and Discharge in this Behalf.

Ordered, That the Lords Concurrence be desired herein. And Sir Allen Broadricke is to carry it to the Lords.

Dacre's Claims.

Mr. Annesley presents a Report from the Committee appointed to examine the Debts of the Navy and Army, and other publick Debts, concerning Sir Thomas Dacres: Which was read; and is as followeth:

At this Committee a Report was made, and presented in Writing, from the Sub Committee to whom the Business of Sir Thomas Dacres was referred: Which is as followeth:

"At the Sub Committee for Inspection into the Debts of the Army and Navy, and other publick Debts of the Kingdom, August 10th, 1660:"

"It appeared, there was an Order of the House, the 17th of March 1641, "That Sir Edward Hales, and Sir Thomas Dacres, do pay the Five hundred Pounds Voluntarily lent by them for the Affairs of Ireland, unto Nicholas Loftus, Deputy to Sir Adam Loftus, Treasurer at War for Ireland, upon his Receipt."

"It appeared by the said Receipt of Nic. Loftus, dated March 24th, that the said Edward Hales and Sir Thomas Dacres, paid the said Sum of One hundred Pounds."

"It appeared by the Poll Bill 1641, that certain Commissioners are appointed, of Lords and Commons, (whereof there must be Four of the former, and Eight of the latter) that have Power to ordain the Treasurers of the said Bill, under their Hands, what Debts shall be paid: And we find Sir Tho. Dacres to have such a Warrant from them, dated the One-and-twentieth of February 1649, for one Moiety of the said Five hundred Pounds, with Interest at Eight Pounds per Cent: And, not finding that any Part is satisfied of this Debt, this Question was put; Whether the Moiety of the said Five hundred Pounds (with Damages) advanced by Sir Tho Dacres, be such a publick Debt, of which this House, in Honour and Justice, ought to take care for Satisfaction;" Resolved, in the Affirmative."

"Upon the stating of which Debts, at Eight Pounds per Cent', for Eighteen Years, it is Six hundred and Ten Pounds; the Interest Three hundred and Sixty Pounds; Principal Two hundred and Fifty Pounds: At Six Pounds per Cent', for Eighteen Years, it is Five hundred and Twenty Pounds; viz. Two hundred and Seventy Pounds Interest; and Two hundred and Fifty Pounds Principal: At Four per Cent', for Eighteen Years, it is Four hundred and Thirty Pounds; viz. One hundred and Eighty Pounds Interest, and Two hundred and Fifty Pounds Principal."

"It was the Opinion of this Committee, that in Honour and Justice, Sir Tho. Dacres have Four hundred and Thirty Pounds for the Discharge of the said Five hundred Pounds lent as aforesaid: And"

"Resolved, That this be reported to the Committee for examining the Debts of the Army and Navy, and other publick Debts of the Kingdom."

Upon which Report, it was, by this Committee,

Resolved,

1. That this Committee do agree with the Sub Committee, in the Report made by them, in the Business of Sir Thomas Dacres.

2. That the said Report be reported to the House from this Committee.

Resolved, That it be referred to the Committee for examining of publick Debts to examine and state the Debts claimed by the Executors of Sir Edward Hales, for the Moiety of Five hundred Pounds advanced by him and Sir Thomas Dacres, for the Affairs of Ireland in March 1641; and to report it to the House.

Resolved, That the Sum of Two hundred and Fifty Pounds, reported from the Committee for examining the Debts of the Navy and Army, and other publick Debts, to be due to Sir Thomas Dacres for the like Sum of Two hundred Fifty Pounds, (Part of the Five hundred Pounds advanced by him and Sir Edward Hales, for the Affairs of Ireland, 24 March 1641, and secured out of the then Poll Bill) be charged on the Receipt of Excise, and paid to the said Sir Thomas Dacres, or his Assigns, out of the said Receipt, in Course, after the other Sums formerly charged by this Parliament on the Excise be paid and satisfied: And the Commissioners of the Excise are impowered and required to pay the same accordingly. And this Order, together with the Acquittance of Sir Thomas Dacres, or his Assigns, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge.

The Lords Concurrence is desired herein: And Sir Allen Broadricke is desired to carry it to the Lords.

Resolved, That till the publick Debts of the Kingdom be satisfied, or this House take further Order, the Committee for examining the Debts of the Navy and Army, and other publick Debts, do forbear to make Report of any private Debts to this House.

Navy and Army Debts.

Sir Thomas Clergys reports from the Committee appointed to examine the Debts of the Navy and Army, and other publick Debts of the Kingdom, an Estimate of the Charge of the Navy and Army; being as followeth; viz.

The Estimate of the Debts of the Navy, in Charge before his Majesty's coming in.

For Discharge of the Officers and Mariners Wages, Provision of Victuals, and Stores, and to the Office of the Ordnance; and the ordinary and extraordinary Expences of the several Yards; the Account is estimated to Six hundred Seventy-eight thousand Pounds:

Whereof the Officers and Mariners Wages, to the Tenth of November, is exactly stated (over and above the Fiveand-twenty Ships now under Consideration, and besides that Number of Ships his Majesty receives into his Pay) to amount to Two hundred Forty-eight thousand Fortynine Pounds Eight Shillings.

The Commissioners for disbanding the Army have estimated what Money they conceive will be brought in upon the Bill for Poll Money, and the Assessments; and compute that there will be wanting, to disband the remaining Part of the Army, and such of the Five-and-twenty Ships which are yet not discharged, the Sum of Four hundred Twenty-two thousand Eight hundred and Nineteen Pounds.

His Majesty's Commissioners for managing the Affairs of the Navy do also offer, to be humbly represented to the Consideration of the House, that all his Majesty's Stores are now empty, both of Victual, and all other Necessaries, for the Fleet; and that the Charge of renewing them will amount to Two hundred thousand Pounds.

Which raises the whole Sum to 1,300,819 l. 8s. 0d.
Of which Sum that which will require a present Supply and Advancement, to pay off the Officers and Mariners, and totally disband the Army, is 670,868. 8. 0.

Resolved, That this House be resolved into a Grand Committee, To-morrow Morning, to take into Consideration the Report, made this Day from the Committee, of the Debts of the Navy and Army; and how much will be necessary to be presently provided; and of the most easy and speedy Way of raising Monies for Discharge thereof.

Call of the House.

Ordered, That this House be called To-morrow Sevennight.

Endowing Vicarages.

Ordered, That Mr. Swinsen be added to the Committee to whom the Bill for endowing Vicarages out of appropriate Rectories, is referred.

Lockhart's Petition.

Sir Thomas Clergys reports the humble Petition of Colonel William Lockhart: Which was read.

Resolved, That it be referred to the Committee for publick Debts, to examine what Part of the Debt mentioned in the said Petition is accrued in the Garison of Donkerque, since the Restitution of the secluded Members; and to state the same, and report it to the House.

Present of a Bible.

Ordered, That, at the next calling of this House, Mr. Speaker is desired to put the House in mind of the Person who presented the great Bible to this House.

Poll Bill.

Mr. Pedley reports a Bill for supplying and explaining certain Defects of the Bill for Poll Money: Which was read the First time.

Ordered, That this Bill be read the Second time Tomorrow Morning, before the resolving of the House into a Grand Committee.

Highways.

Ordered, That the Bill for Repair of Highways be read To-morrow Morning, next after the Bill for supplying the Defects of the Poll Bill.