House of Commons Journal Volume 8
12 January 1667

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 8: 12 January 1667', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 8: 1660-1667 (1802), pp. 675. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=26843 Date accessed: 30 July 2014.


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Die Sabbati, 12 Januarii, 18 Car. IIdi.

Prayers.

Stanley's Estate.

ORDERED, That Sir Charles Stanley's Bill be read the Second time on Monday next.

Preston Writ.

Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do issue his Warrant to the Clerk of the Crown, to make a Writ, for electing a new Member to serve for the Town of Preston in the County of Lancaster, in the stead of Doctor Rishton, deceased.

Moseley's Estate.

A Bill for settling the Estate of Sir Edward Moseley Baronet, was read.

Ordered, That the Bill be read the Second time, at Ten of the Clock, on Tuesday Morning.

Shirley's Estate.

Ordered, That the Report of Sir Seymour Shirley's Bill be heard the first Business on Monday Morning.

Poll Bill.

Sir Thomas Clergis reports from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons for the Conference to be had with the Lords, upon the Amendments to the Poll Bill, several Reasons agreed by the Committee: Which he read; and after, delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table. And the Reasons being twice read; and some Amendments, Omissions and Alterations, being, upon the Question, severally approved; and are as followeth; viz.

As to Aliens;

1. Aliens, in all times, have been doubly charged; and sometimes much more; and in some Acts, solely charged: And it might give Offence to Denizens and free Subjects to be equally charged with Aliens.

2. It cannot be reasonably intended, that his Majesty's Proclamation in favour of Strangers should put them into a better Condition in Time of War, when all his natural Subjects are so highly charged, than ever they were in Times of Peace.

3. Aliens cannot, in Reason, expect to be eased from being doubly charged, they being exempted from all Burdens of Offices of Charge, which are undergone by the King's natural Subjects.

Adding Names by the Lords-disagreed:

It hath been observed, that, in all Acts of Subsidies, and of Poll Money, the greater the Number of the Commissioners, the less Money hath been raised; for many Commissioners incumber one the other, and rather procure the Ease of themselves, and their many Friends, than the Advance of the King's Service, and the publick Benefit.

The Clause concerning Charters of Exemption:

All or most Charters or Patents of Exemption have been granted, before any of the Acts mentioned in this Clause were Laws: So that although no such Grants can operate upon subsequent Acts of Parliament, yet, because much Trouble hath * * * *.

Ordered, That Mr. Steward do go up to the Lords, to desire a Conference on the Amendments to the Poll Bill.

Bills from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Thomas Estcourt and Sir Justinan Lewen;

Mr. Speaker, The Lords have sent you down Two Bills; the one intituled, An Act for Illegitimation of the Children of the Lady Ann Roos; the other intituled, An Act for restoring Francis Scawen Gentleman in Blood: To which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Elections.

Ordered, That the Two Bills delivered in this Day touching the Election of Members to serve in Parliament, be read on Monday Morning.

Poll Bill.

Mr. Steward reports, That the Lords had agreed to a present Conference on the Poll Bill, in the Painted Chamber.

Merchant Adventurers.

A Petition of the Merchant Adventurers in the Trade of France was read.

The Question being put, That the Petition be committed;

It passed in the Negative.

The Question being put, That his Majesty be desired, that the Petitioners Goods be landed;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went out.

Tellers,

Colonel Kirkby, For the Yeas, 43.
Mr. Garraway,
Mr. Hide, For the Noes, 64.
Sir Geo. Downing,

And so it passed in the Negative.

Call of the House.

Resolved, &c. That the House be Called on Monday next.

And then the House adjourned till Monday Morning, Eight of the Clock.