Sabbati, 29 die Martii, 1673.
Perrott, &c. Navigation.
AN ingrossed Bill, sent from the Lords, to make the
Rivers of Perrott and Thone, from the Port of
Bridgwater to Taunton, and thence to Bradford Bridge
navigable, was read a Second time.
Resolved, &c. That the Bill be committed to Sir Edmond Windham, Mr. Newport, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir
Thomas Doleman, Mr. Maynard, Sir Philip Musgrave,
Sir Eliab Harvey, Sir John Knight, Sir John Mallett, Sir
John Talbott, Mr. Morrice, Lord Hawley, Colonel Titus,
Mr. Vaughan, Mr. Crouch, Mr. Phillipps, Sir John Coventry, Mr. Westphaling, Sir Rich. Temple, Lord St. John,
Mr. Prideaux, Sir Anth. Irby, Sir Trevor Williams, Sir
John Earnley, Sir Thomas Lee, Lord Ashley, Sir John
Bennet, Mr. Pleydall, Mr. Daniell, Mr. Whitaker, Sir
Char. Harbord, Mr. Tregonwell, Sir Wm. Portman, Sir
John Roll, Sir Gilbert Talbot, Mr. Buscowen, Mr. Powle,
Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Mr. Chetwyn, Mr. Morrice, Mr.
Wiseman, Sir John Birkenhead, Colonel Birch, Mr. Love,
Mr. Whittaker, Sir William Bucknall, Mr. King, Sir
John Fredericke, and all the Members of this House,
that serve for the Counties of Somerset, Devon, Wiltes,
and Dorset: And they are to meet in the Exchequer
Chamber, the First Tuesday of the Meeting of this
House, after the Recess: And that Mr. Speaker send
out his Warrant of Summons, to give Notice to such
Persons as are concerned in point of Interest, that they
may there attend, and be heard before the Committee:
And have Power to send for Persons, Papers, and Records.
Sir Thomas Meeres reports from the Committee, to
which it was referred to draw up Reasons to be offered at
the Conference to be had with the Lords, the Reasons
agreed by the Committee: Which he read; and after,
delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Which, being again read, and agreed, are as followeth; viz.
That it is without Precedent, and may be of ill Consequence, to put a Power any-where out of Parliament,
whether a Law should take its Effect or no.
That we do not know, upon what Terms and Conditions, and with what Limitations and Qualifications such
a Proclamation may issue; whereby the Intent of this
Law, might, in a great Measure, be defeated, and the
Benefit of this Act rendered very uncertain to all those
People to whom Ease is intended.
That it puts a great Number of Persons upon a different Dependency upon the Crown from the rest of his
Majesty's Subjects; and if such Dissenters should have
too great a Countenance, it might cause many Persons
to withdraw themselves from the Church of England.
That though the House of Commons cannot comply
with so unlimited a Power, as the issuing out such Proclamations would induce; yet to a Clause added to the
End of our Amendment to the Proviso mark'd (A), we
have put a sufficient Power in his Majesty, to prevent
any Inconveniences that may arise by this Act: Which
we doubt not but will satisfy your Lordships.
That these Words relate to the Way of proceeding by
Justices of the Peace, without resorting to the King for
Licences: Which the House of Commons have thought
fit to continue for the Reasons before given: And therefore they cannot agree to this Amendment.
That by this Amendment the Tests of the Oaths of
Allegiance and Supremacy, and the Subscription to the
Articles of the Doctrine of the Church of England are
wholly left out: Which if it were admitted, Liberty
might be given to Popery, and all Heresies and Sects
That we do not intend by this Act to give Ease to those
that differ from us in the Fundamentals of Religion; but
only in some Circumstance or Ceremonial Part of it: And
we cannot know who agree with us in Fundamentals, unless we propose somewhat to which we all consent: And
we conceive this Subscription was enjoined in the Time of
Queen Elizabeth, after the Reformation of Religion, before these Divisions did appear publickly in our Church.
That these Tests will put a Difference between Papists
and Protestant Dissenters; which were never sufficiently
distinguished by any Law yet extant: And this, we conceive, will be of great Benefit and Advantage to the
Church of England; and conduce very much to the Preservation and Security of the Protestant Religion.
We think no Man deserves the Favour of this Act, who
refuseth to take the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy;
which are the civil Obligations of the Subjects of England
to their King.
We cannot admit of this Amendment, because we disagree to your Lordships former Amendment of Procuring Licences from the King; to which this doth relate.
That we conceive it will be for the Advantage of the
Church, to invite as many to come in, as may consist with
its Safety; and to remove such unnecessary Scruples as
may offend or hinder others from the uniting with us.
That we conceive, that many Persons would renounce
all Obligation of the Covenant upon themselves, are yet
doubtful how far it may oblige other Persons, through a
misguided Conscience, or invincible Ignorance: And we
think ourselves sufficiently secured of such Persons as shall
take the remaining Part of the Renunciation.
That we think it inconvenient to oblige any Person that
hath never taken the Covenant, to inquire into it, which
all those must necessarily do, who are obliged to renounce
it; whereby the Memory of it will be continued; which
is fitter to be buried in Oblivion.
We suppose your Lordships intend not to deprive
any Person from the Benefit of this Act, but such as have
revolted from the Church of England: And we cannot
esteem any Persons to have been Members of the Church
of England, but such as have both conformed to the Liturgy, and received the Sacrament.
Conference desired with Lords.
Ordered, That Mr. Herbert do go up to the Lords to
desire a Conference upon the Amendments, sent from
their Lordships, to the Bill for the Ease of Dissenters from
the Church of England, in Matters of Religion.
Persons to attend.
Ordered, That the Persons which committed the
Breach of Privilege against the Serjeant at Arms, do
attend the Committee of Privileges, the First time of their
Meeting after the Recess.
Conference agreed to.
Mr. Herbert reports, That the Lords had agreed to
a present Conference with this House, in the Painted
Ordered, That Mr. Attorney General do return the
Act for a General Pardon to the Lords.
Motion for printing Addresses.
A Motion being made, That an Address be made to
his Majesty, that he would be pleased to give Order for
the Printing the Addresses of this House concerning Grievances; and his Majesty's gracious Answer thereto;
And a Debate arising thereupon;
The Question being put, That the Debate be adjourned;
The House divided.
The Yeas go out.
||For the Yeas,||105.
|Sir John Talbott,
|Sir Eliab Harvey,
||For the Noes,||105.
And Mr. Speaker giving his Vote with the Yeas; it
was resolved in the Affirmative.
And then the House adjourned till Three of the
Clock in the Afternoon.
Lords desire a Conference.
A MESSAGE from the Lords, by Sir William
Beversham and Sir Edw. Low;
Greenland; &c. Trades.
Mr. Speaker, We are, by Command of the Lords, to
acquaint this House, That they desire a present Conference, upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference in
the Painted Chamber: And that their Lordships have
agreed to the Bill for Repeal of a Clause in a former Act,
to prohibit Salesmen from selling fat Cattle; to the Bill
for his Majesty's Supply; and to the Bill for encouraging
the Greenland and Eastland Trades; and for the better
securing the Plantation Trade, without any Alteration.
The Messengers being called in, Mr. Speaker acquaints
them, That the House had agreed to a present Conference
in the Painted Chamber.
Conference on Protestant Dissenters Bill.
Sir Thomas Meeres reports from the Conference had
with the Lords, upon the Amendments of this House, to
the Amendments and Provisoes by them sent to the Bill
for Ease of his Majesty's Subjects Dissenters from the
Church of England; those Amendments which the Lords
insist on; of those sent from them; and those they do
agree in; with the Amendments from this House: Which
he read; and delivered in at the Table.
The Lords insisting on their first Amendment;
The Question being put, That Candles be brought in;
The House divided.
The Yeas go out.
||For the Yeas, ||75.
|Sir John Talbott,
||For the Noes,||136.
|Sir Jonath. Trelawney,
And so it passed in the Negative.
The Question being put, To agree with the Lords in
their First Amendment;-
Message to attend the King.
A Message from the King, by Sir Edward Carteret,
Usher of the Black Rod;
The King commands this honourable House to attend
Him forthwith in his House of Peers.
And accordingly Mr. Speaker, with the House, went
up to attend his Majesty.
Mr. Speaker returning with the House, reported, That,
in order to their Commands, he had attended his Majesty:
And, after he had delivered the Bills, and what he had
in Command from the House, his Majesty declared his
Pleasure, That the Parliament should be adjourned to
the Twentieth of October next:
And accordingly the House did adjourn to that Day.