Luno, 25 die Novembris, 1678.
THE House being informed, that Mr. Tray, Mr.
Fowle, and Mr. Godfrey, were, in pursuance of
an Order of the House, of the Twentieth of this Instant
November, attending in the Lobby;
Ordered, That Mr. Tray, Mr. Fowle, and Mr. Godfrey,
be severally called in; and examined at the Bar of this
And they having been severally called in; and examined at the Bar;
Ordered, That the said Mr. Tray, Mr. Fowle, and Mr.
Godfrey, be discharged from any further Attendance.
A Bill for raising the Militia was read the Second time.
Message to attend the King.
A Message from the King, by Sir Edw. Carteret, Usher
of the Black Rod;
The King commands this honourable House to attend
him immediately in the House of Lords.
And accordingly Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to
attend his Majesty.
The King's Speech against disbanding the Army.
The House being returned; Mr. Speaker reports, That
he had attended his Majesty in the House of Lords,
where his Majesty was pleased to make a Speech to
both Houses of Parliament: And that his Majesty
making Use of his Paper in the Delivery thereof; to
the end he might not misreport it, he had obtained
a Copy: Which was read to the House; and is as
My Lords and Gentlemen,
I TOLD you in the Beginning of this Session how
much I had been obliged to keep up my Forces in
Flanders; that without it our Neighbours had absolutely
despaired; and by this Means whatever had been saved
of Flanders is acknowledged to be wholly due to my
Interposition: And I shewed you withal, That I had
been forced to employ That Money, which had been
raised for disbanding those Troops, in the Continuance
of them together; and not only so, but that I had been
much more out of Purse for that Service; a Service by
which the Honour and Interest of the Nation had been
so far improved, that, as I am confident, no Man would
repine at it, so I did not doubt, but you would all be
willing to supply it.
I have now undergone this Expence so long, that I find
it absolutely impossible to support the Charge any longer;
and did therefore think of putting an End to that Charge,
by recalling my Troops with all possible Speed, who are
already exposed to the utmost Extremities of Want and
Misery, being without any Prospect of further Pay or
Subsistence: But whilst I was about to do this, I have
been importuned by the Spanish Ministers to continue
them a little longer, until the Ratifications of the Peace
be exchanged: Without which, all that hath hitherto
been done, they say, will be utterly lost; and that which
hath hitherto been saved of Flanders, will inevitably fall
into the hands of their Enemies.
And now, between their Importunity to keep up these
Troops, and my own Inability to pay them any longer, I
find Myself in great Difficulties, What to resolve.
If you do not think, that the publick Safety my require
their Continuance, I do wish, as heartily as any man.
That for the publick Ease they may be speedily disbanded
and paid off.
I have thought fit thus to lay the Matter before you:
And, having acquitted Myself to all the World, by asking
your Advice and Assistance, I desire it may be speedy,
and without any manner of Delay.-
Resolved, That the Bill for raising the Militia be committed to a Committee of the whole House.
Mr. Speaker left the Chair.
Sir John Trevor took the Chair of the Committee.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Sir John Trevor reports from the said Committee, That
they had gone through the Bill, and made some Amendments: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards
delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the
same were twice read; and, upon the Question, severally
Resolved, &c. That the Bill, with the Amendments, be
Privilege- A Member made Sheriff.
The House being informed, that Sir Roger Bradshaw,
a Member of this House, is made High Sheriff for the
County of Lancaster;
Resolved, &c. That a Committee be appointed to consider of proper Ways for superseding the Commission for
making Sir Roger Bradshaw High Sheriff for the County
And it is referred to Mr. Sachaverell, Sir Wm. Coventry,
Sir Tho. Lee, Sir John Hotham, Sir Robert Sawyer, Col.
Birch, Sir Tho. Stringer, Serjeant Rigby, Mr. Williams,
Mr. Waller, Mr. Buscawen, Sir Edm. Jenings, Sir Ger.
Elwes, Sir Charles Harbord, Sir John Otway, Mr. Booth;
or any Five of them: And they are to meet at Four of
the Clock this Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber;
and to report their Opinions herein to the House: And
are impowered to send for Persons, Papers, and Records.
Reasons against Lords Amendments to Bill disabling Papists.
Sir Edward Deering reports from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons, Why this House doth not
agree with the Lords in the Expedient by them proposed
at the last Conference, That the Committee had agreed
upon Reasons: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where
they were twice read; and, with some Amendments
made at the Table, upon the Question, agreed; and are
That it is contrary to the constant Method and Proceedings in Parliament, to strike out any thing in a Bill
which hath been fully agreed and passed by both Houses;
and it would make the Work endless, and might be of
dangerous Consequence, if that Method should be diverted
and changed. In the Amendment proposed to the Bill by
your Lordships, to which the Commons have disagreed,
the Number of the Queen's . . . . to be excepted out of
the Act, was limited: But, by leaving the Queen's
Name out of the Bill, she may have them without Number. So that what is now offered, is worse than what the
Commons have already disagreed; and, consequently
hath not the Nature of an Expedient.
That, by Experience, it is found, That the Act, intituled, An Act for preventing Dangers, which may happen from Popish Recusants, proved ineffectual to remove
Papists from Court, by reason there was no express
Mention of the Queen's Servants.
The Scope of the Bill relateth not only to removing
Papists out of both Houses of Parliament, but also from
the Court, as appeareth both by the Preamble and Body
of the Bill: And the Danger of his Majesty may reasonably
be supposed to be chiefly in his Court: And the Safety
of his Person, the Commons think, ought more to be considered than any Respects to any Person whatsoever.
Resolved, That a Conference be desired with the Lords
upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference: And
that Mr. Booth do go up to the Lords, to desire the
State of the Army.
Resolved, That the Consideration of the State of the
Nation, in relation to the Army, which was appointed
for this Day, be adjourned till To-morrow Morning, Ten
of the Clock.
And then the House adjourned till To-morrow
Morning, Eight of the Clock.