Jovis, 8 die Maii, 1679.
Prayers.
Address for removing the Duke of Lauderdale.
SIR John Trevor reports from the Committee appointed
to draw up an Address to be presented to his Majesty,
to desire his Majesty to remove the Duke of Lauderdale
from all Offices, Employments, and Places of Trust, and
from his Majesty's Councils in England and Scotland,
and from his Presence for ever, That the Committee had
met, and had prepared such an Address: Which he read
in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the
Clerk's Table: Where the same was again read; and,
upon the Question, agreed; and is as followeth, viz.
WE Your Majesty's most Loyal and Dutiful Subjects
the Commons, in this present Parliament assembled,
finding Your Majesty's Kingdoms involved in imminent
Dangers, and great Difficulties, by the evil Designs and
pernicious Counsels of some, who have been and are in
high Place, Trust, and Authority, about Your Royal
Person, who contrary to the Duty of their Places, by their
arbitrary and destructive Counsels, tending to the Subversion of the Rights, Liberties, and Properties of your Subjects, and the Alteration of the Protestant Religion established, have endeavoured to alienate the Hearts of Your
Loyal Subjects from Your Majesty and Your Government;
amongst whom we have just Reason to accuse John Duke
of Lauderdale for a chief Promoter of such Counsels, and
more particularly, for contriving and endeavouring to raise
Jealousies and Misunderstandings between Your Majesty's
Kingdoms of England and Scotland, whereby Hostilities
might have ensued, and may arise, between both Nations,
if not prevented: Wherefore, we Your Majesty's Loyal
Subjects could not but be sensibly affected with Trouble to
find such a Person (notwithstanding the repeated Addresses of the last Parliament) continued in Your Councils
at this Time, when the Affairs of Your Kingdom require
none to be put into such Employments but such as are of
known Abilities, Interest, and Esteem in the Nation, without all Suspicion of either mistaking or betraying the true
Interest of the Kingdom, and consequently of advising
Your Majesty ill. We do therefore most humbly beseech
Your most Sacred Majesty, for the taking away the great
Jealousies, Disaffections, and Fears, amongst Your good
Subjects, That Your Majesty will graciously be pleased to
remove the Duke of Lauderdale from Your Majesty's
Councils in Your Majesty's Kingdoms of England and
Scotland, and from all Offices, Employments, and Places
of Trust, and from Your Majesty's Presence for ever.
Resolved, &c. That this House will, in a Body, attend
his Majesty with the said Address.
Ordered, That such Members of this House as are of
his Majesty's Privy Council, do desire to know of his
Majesty, When this House may attend his Majesty with
the Address this Day agreed to.
Supply Bill; disbanding the Army.
The House then took into Consideration the Amendments made by the Lords to the Bill for granting a Supply to his Majesty of Two hundred and Six thousand Four
hundred Sixty-two Pounds Seventeen Shillings and Three
Pence, for paying off and disbanding the Forces raised
since the Twenty-ninth of September 1677.
And the First, Second, Third, Fourth, and Fifth
Amendments, being twice read, were, upon the Question
severally agreed.
The Sixth and Seventh Amendments being for leaving
out "John Lord Roos, Son and Heir apparent to the
Earl of Rutland," being read a Second time;
And the Lord Roos having being called up to the House
of Peers, since the Bill was sent up to the House of Lords;
Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the
Lords in the said Amendments.
The rest of the Amendments to the 102d Skin 6 Line,
being twice read, were, upon the Question, severally
agreed.
The Amendment in the 102d Skin 6 Line, being read
a Second time;
And the Question being put, For agreeing with the
Lords in that Amendment;
It passed in the Negative.
The rest of the Amendments, to the End of the Bill,
being twice read, were, upon the Question, severally
agreed.
The Two Clauses, to be added at the End of the Bill,
being twice read;
And the Question being severally put, To agree with
the Lords in the said Clauses;
It passed in the Negative.
Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up
Reasons to be delivered at a Conference, to be had with
the Lords, Why this House had disagreed with their
Lordships in several of their Amendments to the Bill for
paying off and disbanding the Army.
And . . is referred to Sir Thomas Lee, Sir John Trevor,
Sir Robert Carr, Mr. Seymour, Mr. Boscawen, Mr.
Garraway, Mr. Powle, Mr. Hales, Sir Chr. Musgrave,
Colonel Birch, Sir Thomas Clarges, or any Three of
them, to prepare and draw up the same.
Earl Danby's Impeachment.
Sir Thomas Clerges reports from the Committee appointed to inspect the Journals and search Precedents
relating to the Message Yesterday sent from the Lords,
relating to the Earl of Danby, That the Committee had
met; and had taken into Consideration the Matters to
them referred; and had agreed upon a Report to be
made to the House: Which he read in his Place; and
afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table:
Where the same was again read: And is as followeth;
That the Committee finds, that, on the like Occasion,
the House of Commons have appointed a Select Committee to join with a Committee of the Lords, to consider
of the Methods and Circumstances to be observed in the
Tryals.
Leave of Absence.
Ordered, That Sir Francis Winnington have leave to
go into the Country till Monday next.
Popish Plot.
Ordered, That Mr. Seymour, Sir Tho. Stringer, Sir
Tho. Clargis, Mr. Treby, and Sir Thomas Player, do
immediately repair to Mr. Harcourt, and take his Examination relating to the Plot; and report the same, if
they see Cause, to the Committee of Secrecy.
House sits P. M.
Resolved, &c. That this House will sit this Afternoon:
And that Sir William Franklyn do go up to the Lords,
and acquaint them therewith; and desire their Lordships
will do the like.
Drake's Estate.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Samuel Clerke and
Sir John Hoskins;
Mr. Speaker, The Lords have sent you a Bill, intituled,
An Act to confirm certain Leases made by John Drake,
and others; and to enable Sir Francis Drake to make
a Jointure, and raise Portions for his Daughters and
younger Children: To which they desire the Concurrence
of this House.
Lords sit P. M.
Sir William Franklyn reports, That the Lords have
agreed to sit this Afternoon.
Supply Bill; disbanding the Army.
Sir John Trevor reports from the Committee appointed
to draw up Reasons, Why this House cannot agree with
several of the Amendments made by the Lords to the
Bill for disbanding the Army, Reasons agreed upon by
the Committee: Which he read in his Place; and
afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table:
Where the same were twice read; and, upon the Question,
agreed: And are as followeth; viz.
5th Press, The Commons conceive the Clause to be
unnecessary, because the Bill hath a relative Clause to
the Act for the Building of the Ships; wherein the
Clause desired by their Lordships is enacted.
That their Lordships Amendment, touching Guernsey
and Jersey, is such a Disposition of Money as the
Commons have great Reason to be tender of, from
former Experience: It alters the Bill in several Parts;
and would be of dangerous Consequence, if admitted.
That the Fifty thousand Pounds, mentioned in the
last Amendment, is already appropriated to the paying
off and disbanding the Army; and so there needs no such
Clause: And the Altering of such Appropriation, by a
subsequent Act, would destroy the Credit of any Appropriation to be hereafter made by Act of Parliament.
Earl Danby's Impeachment.
Ordered, That Mr. Sachaverell Sir Thomas Meres, Sir
William Coventry, Sir Richard Cust, Mr. Vaughan, Mr.
Foley, Mr. Swinfen, Mr. Woogan, Sir Thomas Lee, Mr.
Powle, Colonel Titus, Sir John Trevor, Sir Henry Capell,
Sir Robert Carr, Sir William Hickman, or any Three of
them, do immediately withdraw, and prepare Matter and
Heads, upon the Debate of the House, for a Conference
to be had with the Lords, upon the Subject Matter of the
last Message sent from the Lords, relating to the Earl of
Danby, and the other Lords impeached; and present the
same to the House.
Drake's Estate.
An ingrossed Bill, sent from the Lords, intituled, An
Act to confirm certain Leases made by John Drake, and
others; and to enable Sir Francis Drake to make a
Jointure, and raise Portions for his Daughters and
younger Children, was read the First time.
Resolved, &c. That the Bill be read a Second time.
Lost Records of Fines.
A Bill for the Re-ingrossment of the Records of Fines,
lost or burnt by the late Fire in the Temple, was read the
First time.
Resolved, &c. That the Bill be read a Second time.
Popish Plot.
Ordered, That it be referred to Mr. Mildmay, Mr.
Buller, Colonel Birch, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Serjeant
Rigby, Mr. Hamden, to take the Examination of John Sidway, touching the Plot; and report the same to the House,
or the Committee of Secrecy, as they shall see Cause.
Liberty of the Subject.
Ordered, That it be Part of the next Message to the
Lords to remind their Lordships of the Bill, intituled,
An Act for the better Securing the Liberty of the Subject;
and for Prevention of Imprisonments beyond the Seas.
Earl Danby's Impeachment.
Mr. Powle reports, That the Members appointed had
prepared Matter and Heads, upon the Debate of the
House, for a Conference to be had with the Lords upon
the Subject Matter of the last Message sent from their
Lordships, relating to the Earl of Danby, and the other
Lords impeached: Which he read in his Place; and
afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table:
Where the same was again read; and, upon the Question,
agreed: And is as followeth; viz.
"The Commons suppose your Lordships do intend, in
all your Proceedings upon the Impeachments now depending before your Lordships, to follow the usual Course
and Methods of Parliament; and the Commons cannot
apprehend, what should induce your Lordships to address
his Majesty for a Lord High Steward, in order to the
determining the Validity of the Pardon, which hath been
pleaded by the Earl of Danby to the Impeachment of the
Commons, as also for the Tryal of the other Five Lords;
because we conceive the Constituting of a High Steward
is not necessary; but that Judgments may be given in Parliament, upon Impeachment, without a High Steward."
"There being several other Matters contained in your
Lordships Messages, touching the Tryal of the Lords
impeached; which, if not settled, may occasion several
Interruptions and Delays in the Proceedings; the House
of Commons do therefore propose to your Lordships,
That a Committee of both Houses may be nominated to
consider of the most proper Ways and Methods of Proceedings upon Impeachments of the House of Commons,
according to the Usage of Parliament, that thereby those
Inconveniencies may be avoided."
And then the House adjourned till Three of the
Clock this Afternoon.
Post meridiem ejusdem diei.
Dale's Estate.
AN ingrossed Bill for the Sale of the Lands of Charles
Dale Esquire, deceased, for Payment of his Debts, and
Provisions for his Daughters, was read the Third time.
Resolved, That the Bill do pass: And that the Title be,
An Act for the Sale of the Lands, late of Charles Dale,
of the County of Rutland, Esquire, deceased, for Payment of his Debts, and Provision for his Daughters and
Co-heirs: And that Sir John Hewley do carry up the
Bill to the Lords, for their Concurrence.
Remaning Papists.
An ingrossed Bill, sent from the Lords, intituled, An
Act for freeing the City of London, and Parts adjacent,
from Popish Inhabitants; and providing against other
Dangers which may arise from Papists; was read the
Second time.
Resolved, &c. That the Bill be committed to the Committee to whom the Bill for securing the King and Kingdom against the Growth and Danger of Popery stands
committed: And that Mr. Deeds, and Doctor Jacob, be
added to the said Committee.
Conference desired with Lords.
Ordered, That Sir Christopher Musgrave do go up
to the Lords, to desire a Conference upon the Subject
Matter of the last Message relating to the Earl of Danby,
and the other Five Lords, impeached.
Attendance of Members.
A Bill for the better Attendance of Members elected
to serve in Parliament, was read the Second time.
Resolved, &c. That the Bill be committed to Mr.
Hamben, Lord Ancram, Mr. Seymour, Mr. Savage, Sir
Edmund Jennings, Sir John Mallet, Serjeant Rigby,
Colonel Whitley, Sir Thomas Meres, Sir Thomas Player,
Mr. Foley, Sir Walter Ernle, Mr. Lewis, Sir Robert
Howard, Mr. Whorwood, Sir Francis Drake, Sir William
Hickman, Colonel Kirby, Mr. Palmes, Sir Walter Baggot,
Sir Richard Corbett, Sir Roger Hill, Mr. Wyn, Mr. Papillon, Sir Henry Goodrick, Mr. Love, Sir Robert Peyton,
Sir Henry Calverley, Sir Robert Markham, Colonel Titus,
Mr. Lambert, Mr. Thyn, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Sir Philip
Egerton, Mr. Reynell, Mr. Upton, Sir William Bastard,
Mr. Duboyes, Sir Scrope Howe, Sir John Knight, Sir John
Talbot, Mr. Harboard, Mr. Ash, Mr. Hopkins, Sir William
Franklyn, Sir William Robarts, Sir Robert Carr: And
they are to meet To-morrow at Three of the Clock in the
Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber.
Lords agree to Conference, &c.
Sir Christopher Musgrave reports, That he had attended the Lords, and their Lordships had agreed to a
present Conference in the Painted Chamber; and also,
That he had reminded their Lordships of the Bill for
better securing the Liberty of the Subjects; and for Prevention of Imprisonments beyond the Seas.
Ordered, That the Persons that prepared the Matter
for the Conference, do attend and manage the same:
And that Colonel Birch, Sir William Coventry, Mr.
Hamden, Mr. Seymour, Sir Robert Carr, Sir Christopher
Musgrave, be added to the said Managers.
Conference on Supply Bill.
Ordered, That Mr. Gray do go up to the Lords, to
desire a Conference about the Amendments made by
their Lordships to the Bill for granting a Supply to his
Majesty of Two hundred and Six thousand Four hundred
and Sixty-two Pounds Seventeen Shillings and Threepence, for paying off and disbanding the Forces raised
since the 29th of September 1677.
Mr. Gray reports, That the Lords had agreed to a
present Conference in the Painted Chamber.
Ordered, That the Persons, that drew up the Reasons,
do attend, and manage the said Conference: And that
Sir Thomas Meres, Colonel Birch, Colonel Titus, Mr.
Seymour, Mr. Solicitor, be added to the said Managers.
And accordingly the Members went up; and delivered
their Reasons; and left the Bill and Amendments with
the Lords.
And then the House adjourned till To-morrow
Morning, Seven of the Clock.