Sabbati, 10 die Maii, 1679.
Address for raising the Militia.
SIR Robert Peyton reports from the Committee appointed to draw up an Address to be presented to his
Majesty, to desire him, That the Militia of London,
Westminster, Southwarke, the Tower Hamlets, and the
Counties of Middlesex and Surrey, may immediately be
raised, and put into a Posture of Defence, An Address
agreed upon by the Committee: Which he read in his
Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the
Clerk's Table: Where the same was twice read; and,
with some Amendments made at the Table, upon the
Question, agreed; and is as followeth; viz.
WE Your Majesty's most dutiful and Loyal Subjects
in Parliament assembled, taking Notice of the great Resort of the Multitude of Jesuits, Popish Priests, and
other Popish Recusants, to the Cities of London and
Westminster, and Parts adjacent; and their obstinate Continuance there; in Contempt of Your Majesty's Laws, and
Royal Proclamations in pursuance thereof; and considering the great Dangers that may ensue thereby, especially at this Time of the approaching. Tryals of the Popish Lords now Prisoners in the Tower, in whose Behalfs
some desperate Attempts may be made; for Prevention
whereof, and for the better Securing of Your Majesty's
Sacred Person, do most humbly beseech Your Majesty,
That Your Majesty would be graciously pleased to give
Order, That the Militia of London, Westminster, Southwarke, the Tower Hamlets, and the Counties of Middlesex and Surrey, may immediately be raised, and put in
a Posture of Defence, in such Proportions, and for such
Time, as Your Majesty shall think fit.
Resolved, That the Concurrence of the Lords be
desired to the said Address.
Ordered, That Sir Robert Carr do carry up the same
to the Lords for their Concurrence.
Fires in the City of London.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee appointed to inquire into the Causes of the late Fires, in
and about the City of London, to examine likewise concerning the Fire which happened last Night; and to
bring in a Bill or Bills, upon the Debate of the House,
for Prevention of the like for the future: And that Sir
Charles Harboard, Mr. Colt, and Sir Samuel Bernardiston, be added to the said Committee.
Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to inquire
into the Abuses and Exorbitancies of the Post Office;
and to bring in a Bill for Remedy thereof, upon the
Debate of the House.
And it is referred to Mr. Papillon, Sir Francis Russell,
Mr. Pilkington, Sir Henry Calverley, Sir Samuel Bernardiston, Serjeant Rigby, Mr. Wright, Sir Thomas Stringer,
Sir Richard Corbett, Sir Patience Ward, Mr. Vernon, Mr.
Greenvile, Mr. Foot, Sir Henry Ford, Sir Stephen Fox,
Sir Halswell Tynt, Mr. Duboyes, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Williams, Sir Nathanael Herne, Colonel Whitley, Mr. Gould,
Mr. Whitehead, Sir Philip Egerton, Sir John Knight, Lord
Ancram, Alderman Backwell, Lord Allington, Sir Robert
Southwell, Colonel Titus, Mr. Godolphin, Mr. Dalmahoy,
Mr. Thyn, * Pickering, Sir Thomas Armstrong, Mr.
Neale, Sir Henry Goodrick, Mr. Bulkeley, Sir Hugh Bethell, Sir John Lowther, Sir John Talbot, Mr. Foley, Sir
Tho. Maleveror, Sir John Hotham, Mr. Paston, and all
the Members that serve for the Post Towns, and the City
of London: And they are to meet on Monday next, at Two
of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber: And are impowered to send for Persons, Papers, and Records.
Address for raising the Militia.
Sir Robert Carr reports, That he had attended the
Lords with the Address for raising the Militia: And that
their Lordships had filled up the Blank with the Words
"the Lords Spiritual and Temporal;" and unanimously
agreed to the Address.
Conference concerning the Trials.
Resolved, &c. That a Message be sent to the Lords, to
desire a present Conference upon the Subject Matter of
the last Conference: And that Colonel Titus do go up
with the Message.
Colonel Titus reports, That the Lords had agreed to
meet this House at a present Conference, in the Painted
Mr. Hamden reports from the Committee appointed
to draw up Reasons to be offered at a Conference to be
had with the Lords upon the Subject Matter of the last
Conference, Reasons agreed upon by the Committee:
Which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered
the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were
twice read; and, upon the Question, agreed: And are
as followeth; viz.
The Commons have desired this Conference with your
Lordships, upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference desired by your Lordships: Which was upon the
Matter of the Conference desired by the Commons
about the Tryals: This last Conference was thus reported to the Commons.
"The Lords do not agree to a Committee of both
Houses; because they do not think it conformable to the
Rules and Orders of Proceedings of this Court; which
is, and ever must be, tender in Matters relating to their
They hope this Conference may tend to prevent all
Interruptions of a good Correspondence between the Two
Houses; which, as the Commons desire at all Times on
their Parts to preserve, so is especially necessary in this
Conjuncture, when the most heinous Delinquents are to
be brought to Justice; that the Enemies both of King
and Kingdom may have no Hopes left them to see this
obstructed by any Difficulties arising in the Way of
Proceeding: And therefore, for Answer to the last
Conference, the Commons have commanded us to say
This to your Lordships;
That your Lordships do not offer any Answer or Satisfaction to the Commons in their necessary Proposals
amicably offered, by Way of Supposition, that they might
have been confirmed therein by Answer from your Lordships; That your Lordships do intend, in all the Proceedings upon the Impeachments now depending before
your Lordships, to follow the usual Course and Methods
And further, That your Lordships have not given the
least Answer or Satisfaction to the Commons, concerning
your Lordships addressing to the King for a Lord High
Steward; though the Commons proposed their Desire of
Satisfaction in that Matter in as cautious Terms as could
be, on purpose to avoid all Disputes about Judicatures.
The Commons, to avoid all Interruptions and Delays
in the Proceedings against the Lords impeached, and the
Inconveniencies that may arise thereby, having proposed
to your Lordships, That a Committee of both Houses
might be nominated, to consider of the most proper
Ways and Methods of proceeding upon Impeachments;
your Lordships, without any Reason assigned (save only
that you say you do not think it conformable to the Rules
and Orders of the Proceedings of this Court), have refused
to agree with the House of Commons in appointing such
a Committee, though not heretofore denied, when asked
upon the like Occasion; and at this time desired purposely
to avoid Disputes and Delays.
And therefore the House of Commons have commanded
us to acquaint your Lordships, That, Things standing
thus upon your Answer, They cannot proceed in the
Tryals of the Lords, before the Methods of Proceedings
be adjusted between the Two Houses.
Ordered, That the Members that drew up the Reasons
do attend and manage the Conference.
Earl Danby's Impeachment.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir John Coell and Sir
Mr. Speaker, The Lords desire a present Conference
with this House in the Painted Chamber, to communicate
to this House the Contents of a Petition their Lordships
received this Day from the Earl of Danby.
The Messengers being withdrawn;
Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree to meet the
Lords at a present Conference in the Painted Chamber.
The Messengers being called in, Mr. Speaker acquaints
them, That this House had agreed to meet the Lords at
a present Conference in the Painted Chamber.
Ordered, That the Members that managed the former
Conference do attend, and manage this Conference.
Sir John Trevor reports, from the said Conference,
That the Members appointed had attended at the Conference: And that the Conference was managed by the
Lord Privy Seal: And that he acquainted them, That the
Lords had received a Petition from the Earl of Danby,
who was ordered to attend their Lordships this Day:
Which his Lordship read; whereby the Earl of Danby,
sets forth, That he met with Information severally from
his Counsel, That they durst not appear to argue the
Validity of his Pardon, by reason of a Vote of the House
of Commons: And that their Lordships desired to know;
whether there was any such Vote as was alledged in the
Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to inspect the
Journals, and search Precedents concerning Questions
asked at Conferences.
And it is referred to Sir Francis Russell, Mr. Seymour,
Sir Thomas Littleton, Sir John Hewley, Sir Thomas Meres,
Sir Thomas Lee, Mr. Sachaverell, Mr. Vaughan, Sir Francis Drake; or any Three of them.
Secret Service Money.
Mr. Charles Bertie being called in, and examined to
several Questions; and then being withdrawn;
Resolved, &c. That this House is not satisfied with the
Answers given by Mr. Bertie.
Sir Robert Howard informs the House, That there has
been paid to Mr. Bertie for Secret Service, from Lady
Day 1676 to the Twentieth of March 1678 / 9 the Sum of
Two hundred Fifty-two thousand Four hundred and
Sixty-seven Pounds One Shilling and Nine-pence.
A Person committed.
Ordered, That Mr. Charles Bertie be committed to
the Custody of the Serjeant at Arms attending this House,
for his Contempt to this House.
Leave of Absence.
Ordered, That Mr. Deering have Leave to go into the
Earl Danby's Pardon.
Ordered, That all the Members of this House that are
of the Long Robe, do prepare themselves with Reasons
against the Pardon pleaded by the Earl of Danby.
Shipping of Artillery.
Ordered, That the Officers of the Ordnance do attend
on Monday Morning next, to give this House an Account
touching the Train of Artillery and Ammunition that are
ordered to be shipped for Portsmouth.
And then the House adjourned till To-morrow
Morning, Eight of the Clock.