Martis, 21 die Maii ; 1° Willielmi et Mariæ.
Prayers.
Leave of Absence.
ORDERED, That Mr. Mallock have Leave to go
into the Country, for Three Weeks.
Annulling Lisle's Attainder.
An ingrossed Bill, sent down from the Lords, intituled,
An Act for annulling, and making void the Attainder of
Alitia Lisle, Widow, was read the Third time.
Resolved, That the Bill do pass.
Ordered, That Colonel Tipping do carry the Bill up to
the Lords, and acquaint them with the Concurrence of
this House thereunto.
Exporting Leather.
A Bill for Exportation of Leather, was read the Third
time.
Resolved, That the Bill do pass: And that the Title
be, An Act for reviving Two former Acts for Exporting
of Leather.
Ordered, That Mr. Christy do carry up the Bill to
the Lords, for their Concurrence thereunto.
Thetford Election.
Colonel Birch reports from the Committee of Privileges and Elections, to whom the Matter, touching the
Election of Burgesses, to Serve in this present Parliament
for the Borough of Thetford in the Counties of Norfolke
and Suffolke was referred, the State of the Case as it
appeared to the Committee: Which he produced in
Writing; and, being read at the Clerk's Table, is as followeth; viz.
Upon the Petition of the Mayor, Burgesses, and Commoners of the Borough of Thetford in the Counties
of Norfolke and Suffolke, against the Right honourable Wm. Harbord, Esquire; setting forth, That
Sir Joseph Williamson was elected a Burgess for
the said Borough: And,
The Petition of Adam Felton, Esquire, against Sir
Francis Gibbon; setting forth, That he, the said
Adam Felton, was duly elected a Burgess for the
said Borough, came to be heard.
That the Counsel gave no Evidence upon the Petition
of Mr. Felton.
But, upon the Petition of the Corporation, on the Behalf
of the said Sir Joseph Williamson, the Question arose upon
the irregular Surrender of the Charter of the said Borough;
the Petitioner claiming a Right under the new Charter;
Mr. Harbord's Title being under the old Charter, which
was insisted still to remain in Force.
For the Petitioner: That the Counsel produced a Surrender of the old Charter, 30th January 1681.
For Mr. Harbord: That the Counsel agreed the
Charter was surrendered, but illegally; for that one
Mendham being Mayor in 1681, and his Year expired,
one Mr. Hethersett was chosen Mayor, and ought to
have been sworn by Mendham; but, being refused, applied himself to the Court of King's Bench for a Mandamus, and had an Alias and Pluries; and Mendham
was taken into Custody for his Contempt, in not obeying
of them: And that Mendham, at last, to get his Discharge, procured the Surrender of the Charter; and, to
that End, that he might have the Pretence of the Majority of the Corporation for the said Surrender, caused
his Son, being under Sixteen Years of Age, and one
Mobb, being an excommunicate Person, to receive the
Sacrament, to qualify them to be of the Corporation;
and that, before the Surrender was inrolled, the other
Members, to the Number of about Seventeen, did all
they could to prevent it.
And they called Mr. Thurston: Who said, He was at
the Election Anno 1681, when Mr. Hethersett, was, by
Consent of the whole Town, chose Mayor; but Mr.
Mendham refused to swear him: That he knows no Objection was made against Mr. Hethersett's being unqualified then; but, when the Times ran high, they trumped
it up, That he was not qualified.
Mr. Wm. Crostley said, He was present when Mr.
Hethersett was chose Mayor, but Mr. Mendham did not
come till after the Election, and that Mr. Hetherset,
with Two or Three more of the Corporation, went to
Mr. Mendham to be sworn; and he refused it, but gave
no Reason: That there was Seventeen of the Corporation against the Surrender, and Fourteen for it: And,
that 30 Jan. * about Eight * the Sacrament was appointed, to qualify Two Persons, in order to the Surrender, viz. Mr. Mendham's Boy, being about Sixteen
Years of Age, and one Mobb, that was reckoned to be a
Person excommunicated; That, as to the other Seventeen of the Corporation, they were never called or summoned at the Time the surrender was agreed on.
John Cawle, Clerk of the Parish, said, He saw Mr.
Mendham come riding hastily, as he was ringing the Bell;
and he ceased the Bell; and then the Doctor ordered him
to get a Pint of Wine, and a Loaf, for the Communion:
That, when the Communion was to be, every body went
out of the Church, but Mr. Mendham and Mr. Mobb;
and he was going, but the Doctor called to him, and said,
He must stay, and make Three: That making Excuse
of being unfit, the Doctor told him, That, as Clerk, he
ought always to be prepared, and must receive it; so he
staid, and received: But said, Mobb was never excommunicated, to his Knowledge.
* Bidwell, Serjeant of the Town said, Mendham, came
down 30 January, and Mobb's Partner asked him to take
the Sacrament; and that he telling Mobb he was not fit,
Mobb told him he must; and that, afterwards, Mobb
received, but did not swallow the Bread, but put it out of
his Mouth: And says further, That Mobb is an Atheist.
He says, the Custom of the Corporation is, That the
Common Council choose Two; and the Inhabitants
choose the Mayor, of One of those Two.
* Cropley delivered in a Paper, in the Nature of a
Protestation against the Surrender of the Charter, dated
11 February 1681, and signed by Seventeen of the Corporation: He believes no body can give an Account of
the Surrender, but those that were for it; the rest having
no Notice of it.
For the Petitioner: That the Counsel then insisted, that
Mr. Hetherset had not taken the Oaths prescribed by Statute
13 Car. II.; and so could not be a legal Mayor: And called
Walter Sadler, who delivered in a Paper signed by Mr.
Hethersett, dated 24 January, 33 Car. II.; in which it
was asserted, That it did not appear, by searching the
Records, that Mr. Hethersett, at the Time of his being
elected a Burgess, had subscribed the Declaration, and
taken the Oaths, according to the Statute 13° Car. II.:
As also, an ancient Book, wherein is an Order of 16 Sept.
33 Car. II. whereby John Wright was dismissed being
a Commoner of the Borough.
Walter Sadler, being asked, If the Lord Sunderland
had not sent a Letter to the Corporation about Electing
a Mayor; denied that my Lord Sunderland wrote to
that Purpose.
But Mr. Thurstone, and another Witness, testified,
There was such a Letter wrote by my Lord Sunderland,
a little before last Michaelmas.
That, upon the whole Matter, the Committee came to
several Resolutions: Which he read in his Place; and
afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table:
Where the same were read; and are as followeth;
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee,
That Wm. Harbord, Esquire, is duly elected a Burgess
to serve in this present Parliament for the Borough of
Thetford in the Counties of Norfolke and Suffolke.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee,
That Sir Francis Gibbon is duly elected a Burgess to
serve in this present Parliament for the Borough of Thetford in the Counties of Norfolke and Suffolke.
The First of the said Resolves being read a Second
time;
Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Committee, That Wm. Harbord, Esquire, is duly elected a
Burgess to serve in this present Parliament for the Borough of Thetford, in the Counties of Norfolke and
Suffolke.
The Second of the said Resolves being read a Second
time;
Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Committee, That Sir Francis Gibbon is duly elected a Burgess
to serve in this present Parliament, for the Borough of
Thetford in the Counties of Norfolke and Suffolke.
Privilege.
Ordered, That the Report, touching a Breach of Privilege between Sir Richard Temple and Mr. Palmes, be
made this Day Sevennight.
Lyme Regis Election.
Colonel Birch reports from the Committee of Privileges and Elections, to whom the Matter, touching the
Election of Burgesses to serve in this present Parliament
in the Borough of Lyme Regis in the County of Dorset
was referred, the State of the Case, as it appeared to
the Committee: Which he produced in Writing; and,
being read at the Clerk's Table, is as followeth;
Upon the Petition of Sir William Drake, Knight and
Baronet, against John Burridge, Esquire, touching
the Election of Lyme Regis in the County of Dorsett,
came to be heard for the Petitioner.
That the Counsel insisted, That the Right of Election
was in the Mayor, Burgesses, and Freemen at large;
and that Lyme Regis was made a Borough 12 Edw. I.;
and, at the same time, a Corporation; so the Corporation
was co-evous with the Borough: And delivered in a
Copy of a Grant,
12 Edw. I mi.
Quod Villa de Lyme in Com. Dors. de
cætero liber Burgus sit, & quod Homines ejusdem Villæ sint
liberi Burgenses; ita quod habeant Gildam mercatoriam.
12 Edw. IV. Sub Sigillo Majoris.
30 Elizabethæ. Mayor and Burgesses elected-Return,
under the Seal of Mayor and Burgesses.
1° & 2° Phil. & Mariæ. Mayor and Burgesses
elected under the Common Seal.
16 Car. I mi.
Major, per majorem Partem capital. &
aliorum liberorum Burgens. elegit sub Sigillo Majoris.
13 Car. IIdi. Majorem cum Assensu residuorum Burgensium liberorum Hominum Villæ predictæ sub communi
Sigillo.
31 Car. II. 32 Car. II. Mayor and Burgesses, with
Consent of the whole Mind, elected under the Hands of
the Mayor and Burgesses, and Common Seal.
It appeared, upon the Poll delivered in, That Sir Wm.
Drake had Twenty-nine Votes, with himself; and that
Mr. Burridge had Thirty Votes, with himself: But it
was allowed, That, of the Twenty-nine, that voted for
Sir Wm. Drake, there were Five foreign Freemen; viz.
Fra. Alford, William Bragg, John Fry, Antony Floyer,
and Rich. Henvill.
And they called
Mr. Gregory Arnold: Who said, He had been Mayor of
the Town, Anno 1663, and then came the Act of Regulations; and then he called in Sir John Strode, Colonel
Bishop, and others, to his Assistance, and they gave their
Voices, and they have come in ever afterwards into the
Common Council House, and voted for Mayors and other
Officers: That Sir John Strode and Colonel Bishop were
Out Burgesses, as these Five excepted against are: That
he remembered Sir John Strode and Colonel Bishop have
been at the Election of Parliament Men; and, to the best
of his Remembrance, have voted in the Elections of Parliament Men; and, particularly, at the Election of the
Lord Clarendon: That several Freeholders have come and
claimed their Vote, but never were admitted nor returned:
That he believed, particularly when the Sitting Member
Mr. Burridge was Mayor, the Freeholders were rejected;
and that Mr. Burridge made a Return by the Mayor, Burgesses, and Freemen: That whoever are free of Lyme,
are free from many Tolls at Bristoll, and enjoy several
Privileges there; but says, The foreign Freemen take not
the same Oath with the other: That it appeared, that the
Charter of Lyme Regis had been surrendered to the King.
And it was agreed, Those Acts that were done under
the new Charter, to be void; and, thereupon, the Counsel for the Petitioner produced the Surrender of the
Charter of the 20 Oct. 1684: And called
One Bragg, a Witness; Who said, That Thomas Pitts,
Thomas Fitz Jerrard, and Robert Fowler, who polled for
Mr. Burridge, were made free under the new Charter;
viz. Tho. Pitts 2 March (84), Thomas Fitz Jerrard 5 Oct.
(85), Robert Fowler 4 Feb. 1687: That James Pitts, another Person that voted for Mr. Burridge, was a Freeman
by the Old Charter, but disfranchised for some Misdemeanor, and restored by the New Charter; he was disfranchised in a full Corporation, for bringing in several Things
contrary to his Oath: That John Case and Matthew Sprag
are Freemen of the Town of Lyme, but both live out of
the Town; one Six Miles, the other Two.
For Mr. Burridge: That the Counsel insisted, That the
Right of Election consisted in all Freemen of Lyme, being
Inhabitants and Freeholders of the same.
The Counsel, for the Petitioner, granted, If the Freeholders had a Right, Mr. Burridge was elected.
The the counsel, for Mr. Burridge, produced Returns,
1° Elizabethæ: Mayor, Burgesses, and Inhabitants,
elected under the Seal of the Mayor and Burgesses.
1° Mariæ. Mayor, Burgesses, with Inhabitants, elected
under the Common Seal.
13 Car. II. produced also by the Petitioner: And
called
John Davis: Who said, He had known Lyme from a
Child; and that Freeholders had given their Vote; particularly Thomas Bragg, Wm. Trickey, * Short, and *
Mincent, gave their Vote, as he thinks, at the Election of
Esquire Henley and Sir John Shaw; but says, He never
knew any Freeholders, or Freemen, out of the Town, admitted to vote.
Mr. Short being called, Exception was taken to him, as
being a Freeholder; but, afterwards, allowed to be a Witness as to the Right of foreign Freemen; and said, He
never knew any honorary Freemen demanded to vote
till the last Election.
George Brayholt said, He had known several Elections
of Mr. Henley, and others, and that Freemen and Freeholders have their Votes: That Esquire Henley made several Freeholders to that purpose: That no outlying
Freemen had a Vote, to his Knowledge.
* Tytherley said, He had been a Freeman Twenty
Years: and that he has known some Freeholders come
and claim their Right at Elections; and they used to cry,
Up with them.
James Pitts said, He known Spragg very well; and that
Spragg had a House, in the Town, that paid to the Poors
Rate: That John Case traded, as a Merchant, in the
Town; but his Mother-in-law dying, he was gone to
take Possession of the Estate: That Thomas Pitts was
made a Freeman by the new Charter: And it being said,
He was not a Freeman, he came to the Corporation,
and desired to have his Fine, or be re-admitted; and the
Corporation told him, There was no need; he was a
good Freeman
Upon the whole Matter, the Committee came to several Resolutions: Which he read in his place; and afterwards, delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where
the same were read; and are as followeth;
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee,
That John Burridge, Esquire, is not duly elected a Burgess to serve in this present Parliament for the Borough
of Lyme Regis in the County of Dorsett.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee,
That Sir Wm. Drake, Knight and Baronet, is duly
elected a Burgess to serve in this present Parliament for
the Borough of Lyme Regis in the County of Dorsett.
The first of the said Resolutions being read a Second
time;
The Question was put, That the House agree with the
Committee therein:
The House divided.
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Sir Rob. Cotton, |
82. |
| Mr. Brewer, |
| Tellers for the Noes: |
Sir John Guise, |
121. |
| Mr. Coninsby, |
So it passed in the Negative.
Truroe Election.
Colonel Birch reports from the Committee, to whom
the Matter, touching the Election of Burgesses to serve
in this present Parliament for the Borough of Truroe in
the County of Cornewall, was referred, the State of the
Case, as it appeared to the Committee: Which he produced in Writing: and, being read at the Clerk's Table,
is as followeth; viz.
Upon the Petition of John Tredenham, and John Manley, Esquire, against Sir Henry Ashenhurst, and Henry
Vincent, Esquire, the Sitting Members for the Borough of Truroe in the County of Cornewall, was
heard.
That the Question was, Whether the Right of Election
was in the Populace, or the select Number; the Petitioners claiming to be elected by the Populace, and Sir
Henry Ashenhurst, and Henry Vincent, Esquire, by the
select Number.
For the Petitioner: That the Counsel insisted, That
Truro was a Borough by Prescription, but made a Corporation in Queen Elizabeth's Time: And produced Returns of Burgesses to Parliament, for the said Borough,
of 26 Edw. I.; 6 Edw. II.; 10 Hen. VI.: As also, an
Indenture of Return of . . . 7 Edw. VI. Mayor, with the
Consent of the whole Commonalty, elected under the
Seal of the Mayor.
1° Mariæ. Mayor and Commonalty, of one Mind,
Assent and Consent, freely elected under the Seal of the
Parties.
As also, a Copy of the Charter of the said Borough, of
31 Elizabethæ: Which Charter recited, That there had
been long before a Mayor of the said Borough; and, at
the same time, gave them a Common Seal, and declared
and constituted Twenty-four Capital Burgesses.
For the Sitting Members: That the Counsel insisted,
That Truro was a Corporation by Prescription, as well as
a Borough; and that the Recital of the Charter imported
as much: And, withal produced an Indenture of Return, of
26 Elizabethæ: Major & Burgenses, eligerunt sub Sigillo Burgi: And,
An ancient Book of the Corporation, in Henry the Seventh's Time, making mention of the Twenty-four.
7 Edw. IV. An Indenture of Return of Burgesses, per
Majorem, Comburgenses suos VII.: And,
An Indenture of Lease, 33 Hen. VIII. per Majorem
& Burgenses: And,
Another Indenture, 3 Edw. VI. between the Mayor
and Burgesses of the Town, of the one Part; and Walter
Borlace, of the other Part; for erecting a free Grammar
School: And,
An Indenture of Return of Burgesses, 30 Eliz. per
Majorem & Burgenses: Which was signed by the Mayor
and Thirteen of the Burgesses, who were of the Twenty-four: And,
A Copy of the Journal of 20 June 1663, the Resolution of this House: And
Another Copy of the Journal, That the Right of Election 20 July, 1661, was in the Mayor and Twenty-four
of the Borough of Truro.
It was also insisted on, by the Sitting Members Counsel,
and agreed to by the Petitioners Counsel, That ever since
the 31 Eliz. the Elections have ever been by the select
Number of Mayor and Twenty-four Burgesses.
That, thereupon the Committee came to several Resolutions: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards,
delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the
same were read, and are as followeth; viz.
Resolved, Nemine contradicente, That it is the Opinion
of this Committee, That the Right of Election of Burgesses to serve in Parliament for the Borough of Truroe
in the County of Cornewall, is in the Mayor and select
Number of Burgesses only.
Resolved, Nemine contradicente, That it is the Opinion
of this Committee, That Sir Henry Ashenhurst, and Henry
Vincent, Esquire, are duly elected Burgesses to serve in
this present Parliament for the Borough of Truro in the
County of Cornewall.
The First of the said Resolutions being read a Second
time;
Resolved, Nemine contradicente, That the House doth
agree with the Committee, That the Right of Election of
Burgesses to serve in Parliament for the Borough of Truro
in the County of Cornewall, is in the Mayor and select
Number of Burgesses only.
The Second of the said Resolves being read a Second
time;
Resolved, Nemine contradicente, That Sir Hen. Ashenhurst, and Hen. Vincent, Esquire, are duly elected Burgesses to serve in this present Parliament for the Borough
of Truro in the County of Cornwall.
Better ordering the Forces.
A Bill for better ordering the Forces of this Kingdom,
was read a Second time.
The Question was put, That the same be committed:
The House divided.
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Sir Rob. Cotton, |
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Sir John Barker, |
78. |
| Sir John Wynne, |
So it was resolved in the Affirmative.
Resolved, That the House do, upon Thursday Morning
next, at Ten of the Clock, resolve itself into a Committee
of the whole House, to consider of the said Bill.
Admiral Herbert thanked.
Mr. Speaker gave Admiral Herbert the Thanks of the
House, according to their Order of Saturday last, to the
Effect as followeth: viz.
Admiral Herbert,
THIS House hath taken Notice of the great Service
you have performed, in the Engaging the French
Fleet: They do look upon it, as one of the bravest Actions done in this last Age; and expect it will raise Reputation of the English Valour to its ancient Glory. I
do therefore, by the Command of this House, return
you their hearty Thanks for this Service; and desire you,
that you will communicate the like Thanks, in their
Name, to the Officers and Seamen that served under your
Command; and to let them know, That this House will
have a particular Regard of their Merits, and take care,
as much as in them lies, to give them all due Encouragement.
Whereupon, Admiral Herbert spake, to the Effect, as
followeth:
SIR,
I AM in some Confusion at this great and unexpected
Honour; and the more, because I want Words to express my Sense of it. The best Return, that I think myself capable of making, is, to assure this honourable
House, That, with my utmost Hazard, I will endeavour,
by my future Actions, to deserve it; and will not fail to
obey their Commands, in acquainting the Officers and
Seamen, who were with me, of the favourable Acceptation, by this House, of their Service. And, since the
House have so favourable an Opinion of their Actions, I
would beg their Leave to make an humble Motion; and
I think it's a Thing becoming the greatness of this Nation, and, indeed, has been the Care of almost all Nations, that have any Commerce at Sea: It is to assign
some Place and Revenue, for the Support of such as are
maimed in the Service and Defence of their Country:
There is no sufficient Provision made, at present, in this
Kingdom; and, indeed, it is too great a Charge for the
Crown. I therefore humbly move, It may be ordered,
by this House, That an Act may pass, That they may
have a Support and Subsistence, after they have, by
Wounds, been made uncapable of further Service.
Provision or wounded Seamen.
Resolved, That the House will take care to make a
Provision for such Seamen, as are, or shall be, wounded
in their Majesties Service; and for the Wives and Children of such as are, or shall be, slain therein: And that
a Committee be appointed, to consider how the same
may be done.
And it is referred to Admiral Herbert, Mr. Hales, Mr.
Boscawen, Mr. Ashburnham, Sir Wm. Williams, Mr. Garway, Mr. Elwell, Lord Coote, Mr. Holles, Mr. Papillion,
Mr. Gwyn, Lord Falkland, Lord Sherrard, Mr. Bickerstaffe, Mr. Hen. Herbert, Mr. Edw. Russell, Mr. Bromley,
Mr. Tho. Foley, Sir Dunc. Colchester, Mr. Leveson Gowre,
Mr. P. Foley, Sir Hen. Capell, Sir Christoph. Musgrave,
Mr. Sacheverell, Mr. Cooke, Sir Tho. Littleton: And they
are to meet To-morrow in the Afternoon, at Four of the
Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber: And are impowered
to send for Persons, Papers, and Records.
East India Company.
Ordered, That the Committee, to whom it was referred
to examine how, and by what Warrant, the Charters of
the 35th of King Charles the Second, and the Charters of
King James the Second, to the East India Company, and
the Commission to Sir John Weyborne, and others, in April
1685, were obtained, have Power to send for Persons,
Papers, and Records: And they are to meet this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.
Committees.
Ordered, That all Committees be revived; and do sit
this Afternoon.
Papists Children sent abroad.
Ordered, That Mr. Forster, Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Montague, Mr. Eversfeild, be added to the Committee, to
whom it is referred, to inquire, what Children are sent
abroad to be educated in the Popish Religion; and who
have been the Occasion of sending them abroad.
Thetford Writ.
Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do grant his Warrant to
the Clerk of the Crown, to issue out a new Writ, for the
Electing a Burgess to serve in this present Parliament for
the Borough of Thetford in the Counties of Norfolke and
Suffolke, in the room of the Right honourable Wm.
Harbord, Esquire, who waved his Election for the said
Borough, being also chosen a Burgess for the Borough of
Lanceston in the County of Cornwall.
And then the House adjourned till To-morrow
Morning, Nine of the Clock.