Sabbati, 20 die Decembris; 2° Gulielmi et Mariæ.
Prayers.
Haberdashers Charity.
THE House took into Consideration the Amendments made by the Lords to the Bill, intituled,
An Act for the settling a Charity given by Robert Aske,
Esquire, deceased, to the Company of Haberdashers of
London. And the same being once read throughout, are
as followeth; viz.
Press 1, Line 27, after "Advice," add "and Consent."
Press 4, Line 19, after "appoint," add "with the
Approbation and Licence of the Lord Bishop of London
for the Time being."
Line 29, after "appoint," insert "with such Approbation and License as aforesaid."
And the said Amendments being read a Second time,
one by one; the same were, upon the Question severally
put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.
Ordered, That Mr. Fenwick do carry up the Bill to the
Lords; and acquaint them, That this House hath agreed
to the said Amendments.
Rosseter's Estate.
An ingrossed Bill to enable John Rosseter, Esquire, to
sell Lands, for Payment of Debts, was read the Third
time.
Resolved, That the Bill do pass: And that the Title be,
An Act to enable John Rosseter, Esquire, to sell Lands,
for Payment of Debts.
Ordered, That Sir Robert Cotton do carry the Bill to
the Lords; and desire their Concurrence thereunto.
Privilege-Abuse of Witness for giving Evidence.
A Petition of John Mallett, Esquire, a Prisoner in the
Common Side of the King's Bench Prison, was read;
setting forth, That, for his being examined before the
Committee appointed to inquire into the Complaints of
the said Prison, . . was, on Monday last, by the Order of
Mr. Farrington and Briggs, dragged out of the Master's
Side; and, after several Oaths, sworn by Mr. Briggs,
against this House, he was thrown into the common
Ward; so dark and damp a Hole, that his Life, if not
suddenly retrieved, is in Danger: And praying the Relief
of the House in the Premises.
Ordered, That the Examination and Consideration of
the said Petition be referred to the Committee to whom a
Petition of several Prisoners in the said Prison was formerly referred: And they to report the Matter, with
their Opinions thereupon to the House, upon Monday
Morning next: And that the said Farrington, Briggs,
and Mallet, be brought to the said Committee.
Insolvent Debtors.
Mr. Brewer reports from the Committee to whom the
Bill for Relief of poor Prisoners, was committed, That
they had agreed upon several Amendments to be made
thereunto; which they had directed him to report to the
House: And which he read in his Place, with the Coherence; and afterwards, delivered in at the Clerk's Table:
Where the same were once read throughout; and then
a Second time, one by one; and all of them, but one,
upon the Question severally put thereupon, agreed unto
by the House.
A Clause was offered to be made Part of the Bill, That
the Bill do not extend to the King's Debtors, nor to any
Person in Prison for above One hundred Pounds: Which
was twice read; and, upon the Question put thereupon,
greed unto by the House.
Ordered, That the Bill, with the Amendments, be
ingrossed.
Supply Bill; Wine Duties, &c.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Miles Cook and
Sir Adam Otley;
Mr. Speaker, The Lords have agreed to the Bill, sent
up from this House, intituled, An Act for the Continuance of several former Acts therein mentioned, for the
laying several Duties upon Wines, Vinegar, and Tobacco,
without any Amendments: And also to the Bill, intituled, An Act to enable Thomas Sheafe to sell Lands,
for Payment of Debts; and making Provision for his
Wife, according to an Agreement for that Purpose.
And then the Messengers withdrew.
Raising Militia.
A Bill for raising the Militia of this Kingdom the next
Year, although the Month's Pay, formerly advanced and
paid, is not yet paid, was presented to the House, and
read the First time.
Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time.
Privilege.
The House being informed, That the Matter touching
the Breach of Privilege against Sir Carbury Price, formerly complained of, was composed; and that Sir Carbury Price was willing, that John Price, Thomas Lewis,
John Knowles, and Rice Vaughan, Gentleman, in Custody
of the Serjeant at Arms attending this House, for such
Breach of Privilege, should be discharged out of Custody, without being brought to the Bar of this House;
Ordered, That the said Persons be discharged out of
Custody, without being brought to the Bar, paying their
Fees.
Act of Navigation respecting English Seamen.
Sir Matthew Andrews reports from the Committee to
whom the Bill for suspending during the War with
France, that Part of the Act of Navigation which obliges
English Ships to sail with English Seamen, . . ., That
they had agreed upon the Clauses, which were recommitted to the said Committee: And he read the same in
his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the
Clerk's Table: Where the same were twice read; and,
with some Amendments proposed and agreed to, upon the
Question put thereupon, were agreed unto by the House.
Then a Clause was offered to be made Part of the
Bill, That his Majesty, in Council, might license Foreign
Ships for the bringing in naval Stores.
And the Question being put, That the Clause be read;
It passed in the Negative.
Ordered, That the Bill, with the Amendments, be
ingrossed.
Royal Assent to Bills.
A Message from his Majesty by Sir Thomas Duppa,
Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod;
Mr. Speaker,
The King commands this honourable House to attend
his Majesty, in the House of Peers, immediately.
And accordingly Mr. Speaker, and the House, went
up to attend his Majesty: And being returned;
Mr. Speaker reports, That his Majesty had been
pleased to give the Royal Assent to the several Bills following; viz.
An Act for granting to their Majesties certain Impositions upon all East India Goods and Manufactures, and
upon all Wrought Silks, and several other Goods and
Merchandize, to be imported after the Twenty-fifth Day
of December 1690.
An Act for the Continuance of several former Acts
therein mentioned, for the laying several Duties upon
Wines, Vinegar, and Tobacco.
An Act for punishing Officers and Soldiers who shall
mutiny, or desert their Majesties Service; and for punishing false Musters;
An Act for reviving a former Act for regulating the
Measures and Prices of Coals.
An Act for paving and cleansing the Streets in the
Cities of London and Westminster, and Suburbs and
Liberties thereof, and Out Parishes in the County of
Middlesex, and in the Borough of Southwarke, and
other Places in the Weekly Bills of Mortality in the
County of Surrey, and for regulating the Markets
therein-mentioned.
An Act for securing the Portion of Eliz. Lucie, and
breeding her up a Protestant; and for transferring the
Trust for that Purpose.
An Act for enabling of Trustees to sell certain Lands
of Richard Cooke, deceased, to pay Debts, and to raise
a Portion for his Daughter.
An Act to enable Phil. Hildeyard, Esquire, to sell
Lands in Surry, and to settle Lands in Lincolnshire, in
lieu thereof.
An Act to annul and make void a Marriage between
Mary Wharton, an Infant, and James Campbell, Esquire.
An Act for vesting divers Lands, in Trustees, to be sold
for the Payment of certain Debts of Saint Leger Scrope,
Esquire.
An Act for the better enabling Jane Bray, Widow,
the Relict and sole Executrix of the last Will of Reginald
Bray, Esquire, deceased, and others, to the speedier
raising the Portions already appointed for her Daughters,
by the said Reginald Bray.
An Act for the Naturalizing of Francis de la Chambre,
and others.
An Act for selling the Estate of Henry Serle, Esquire,
deceased.
An Act to free the Estate of Sir Samuell Bernadiston
from several Incumbrances, occasioned by a Judgment
given against him, upon an Information in the Court of
King's Bench.
An Act to give Catherine Lady Cornbury certain
Powers to act as if she was of full Age.
An Act to bar a Remainder limited to Dudley Bagnall,
Esquire, in the Estate of Nicholas Bagnall, Esquire, in
Ireland.
An Act for the limiting the Power of James, now Earl
of Salisbury, to cut off the Intail of his Estate.
An Act for the vesting several Messuages and Tenements in the City of London, late the Estate of John
Baines, Gentlemen, deceased, in Trustees, to be sold for
Payment of Debts.
An Act for raising Money out of the Estate of Thomas
Williams, Esquire, deceased, by letting Leases, and otherwise, for the more speedy Payment of his Debts.
An Act to enable Thomas Sheafe to sell Lands for
Payment of Debts, and making Provision for his Wife,
according to an Agreement for that Purpose.
An Act for the settling a Charity given by Robert Aske,
Esquire, to the Company of Haberdashers, London.
The King's Speech.
And that afterwards, his Majesty was pleased to make
a Gracious Speech to both Houses of Parliament, as
followeth; viz.
My Lords and Gentlemen,
I MUST repeat to you, upon this Occasion, how
sensible I am of your good Affections to Me, and of your
sincere Endeavours to promote the true Interest of your
Country in continuing to provide further Supplies towards defraying the Charges of the War: And as I am
very secure, that you will not fail, on your Part, to do all
that shall be necessary, in order to that End; so I assure
you, I shall not be wanting, on Mine, to see that there
be a diligent and a strict Application of the Supplies you
give Me, to these Uses only, for which you intend them.
I have lately told you, That the Posture of Affairs
Abroad would not admit of deferring my Journey to the
Hague much beyond this Time; and I put you in mind
of it again now, in hopes That Consideration will prevail
with you, to use all possible Dispatch in what still remains
to be done, for the more vigorous Prosecution of the
War.
I must not conclude without mentioning to you, Gentlemen of the House of Commons, That, if some annual
Provision could be made for the Augmenting of the Navy,
and Building of some new Ships of War, it would be a
very necessary Care, at this Time, both for the Honour
and Safety of the Nation.
Supply Bill; Low Wines.
Resolved, That this House will, upon Tuesday Morning
next, at Ten a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of
the whole House, to consider of the Bill for laying several
Duties upon Low Wines, or Spirits of the first Extraction.
Navy and Army, Estimates, &c.
Then the House proceeded upon the Report formerly
made from the Committee to whom the Consideration of
the Estimates and Accounts relating to the Army, Navy,
and Treasury, were referred, concerning the Army.
And Mr. Foley reported further, from the said Committee, That they had considered of the Earl of Ranelagh's and Mr. Foxe's Answers, delivered in to the
Observations of the said Committee upon their Accompts;
and had prepared Replies thereunto: Which he read in
his Place; and afterwards, delivered in at the Clerk's
Table: Where the said several Answers and Replies
were read; and are as followeth; viz.
The particular Payments which make up the Sum of
Sixteen thousand Four hundred Fifty-one Pounds
Five Shillings and One Peny Three Farthings, charged
by the Earl of Ranelaugh, as paid to the Garisons,
in the Abstract of his Receipts and Payments from
the Fifth of November 1688, to the Twenty-ninth of
September 1690; delivered to the House of Commons the Eighth of November 1690.
|
|
| |
| £. |
s. |
d. |
| To Berwick, and Holy Island |
854 |
3 |
9 |
| To Carlisle |
460 |
6 |
- |
| To Chepstowe |
72 |
18 |
- |
| To Chester |
362 |
16 |
- |
| To the Cinque Ports |
1,142 |
9 |
8 |
| To Calshott |
90 |
15 |
- |
| To Dartmouth |
127 |
12 |
- |
| To Guernsey |
194 |
8 |
- |
| To Gravesend |
1,672 |
- |
- |
| To Hull |
853 |
16 |
- |
| To Jersey |
240 |
- |
- |
| To Landguard Fort |
184 |
3 |
- |
| To St. Mawes |
45 |
12 |
- |
| To Pendennis |
72 |
8 |
- |
| To Plymouth |
150 |
- |
- |
| To Portland |
139 |
6 |
8 |
| To Portsmouth |
2,202 |
5 |
10 |
| To Sheernesse |
1,408 |
18 |
8 |
| To Scilly |
120 |
10 |
- |
| To Scarborough |
91 |
5 |
3 |
| To the Tower of London |
1,385 |
- |
- |
| To Tinmouth, and Clifford's Fort |
720 |
8 |
- |
| To Upnor, and the Gunners on the Medway |
853 |
12 |
- |
| To Windsor |
364 |
- |
- |
| To the Isle of Wight |
1,728 |
11 |
3¾ |
| To the Assigns of the Lord Culpepper, in lieu of the Quit Rents in Virginia
|
600 |
- |
- |
| To the Gunners on the River of Thames |
160 |
- |
- |
| To the Gunners in St. James' Park |
154 |
- |
- |
| £. |
16,451 |
5 |
1¾ |
A particular Accompt to whom the Sum of Twentythree thousand Four hundred Seventy-three Pounds
Thirteen Shillings and Eleven-pence was paid, which
the Earl of Ranelagh hath charged to Accompt of
Contingencies, in his Abstract of Receipts and Payments delivered to the House of Commons the
Eighth of November 1690.
|
|
| |
|
£. |
s. |
d. |
| To Major Baggott |
26 |
8 |
6 |
| To Mr. Robert Gargrave |
50 |
- |
- |
| To Major Hawley |
36 |
9 |
6 |
| To Major Philpot |
16 |
10 |
- |
| To Mr. Beavoir |
15 |
9 |
6 |
| To Colonel Widdrington |
5 |
5 |
- |
| To the Lord Churchill |
36 |
12 |
- |
| To Colonel Bonham Strangewayes |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To Sir John Edgworth |
34 |
4 |
- |
| To the Duke of Northumberland |
73 |
16 |
- |
| To Henry Evans |
6 |
1 |
- |
| To the Provost Marshal Captain Thomas |
105 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Dorrington |
41 |
12 |
6 |
| To George Clarke, esquire |
46 |
10 |
- |
| To Colonel Hales |
56 |
15 |
- |
| To Thomas Silver |
81 |
5 |
- |
| To Major Nott |
115 |
12 |
6 |
| To several Messengers |
31 |
14 |
- |
| To Colonel Widdrington |
75 |
12 |
3 |
| To Mr. Ingram |
40 |
15 |
7 |
| To Major Norton |
200 |
- |
- |
| To Cornet Ashburnham |
90 |
- |
- |
| To Quartermaster Brady |
60 |
- |
- |
| To Rich. Bien |
43 |
13 |
- |
| To James Chapman |
4 |
8 |
- |
| To Captain Thomas Moore |
45 |
- |
- |
| To Ralph Young |
7 |
5 |
- |
| To Sir Hugh Middleton |
50 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Alex. Gawne |
379 |
8 |
10 |
| To several Messengers |
36 |
4 |
6 |
| To Rich. Dalton |
26 |
10 |
- |
| To several Messengers |
36 |
4 |
6 |
| To Anth. Slingesby |
33 |
18 |
- |
| To Captain Champion |
50 |
- |
- |
| To Captain Dyer |
24 |
8 |
6 |
| To the Duke of Grafton |
64 |
17 |
- |
| To Major Norton, more |
135 |
- |
- |
| To Lieutenant Metham |
100 |
- |
- |
| To Cornet Clinkard |
90 |
- |
- |
| To Corporal Wigly |
30 |
- |
- |
| To John Molins |
36 |
12 |
- |
| To Major Wilson |
91 |
10 |
- |
| To the Gunners at Yarmouth |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To Captain Bridgman |
36 |
12 |
- |
| To Mr. Shallett |
77 |
5 |
5 |
| To Colonel Elligott |
600 |
- |
- |
| To Sam. Cooke Messengers |
11 |
17 |
- |
| To Colonel Beaumont |
88 |
4 |
- |
| To Colonel St. Clair |
55 |
4 |
- |
| To the Lord Jermyn |
73 |
4 |
- |
| To Sir John Reresby |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To Mr. Shallet |
41 |
4 |
- |
| To Mr. Campbell |
30 |
10 |
- |
| To Colonel Richards |
16 |
6 |
8 |
| To Adam Cardonnell |
43 |
8 |
10 |
| To Captain Potts |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To James Walker |
7 |
12 |
3 |
| To Rob. Gargrave |
50 |
- |
- |
| To Wm. Oglethorpe |
18 |
1 |
- |
| To Captain Henry Villiers |
36 |
10 |
- |
| To the Lord Churchill |
36 |
12 |
- |
| To Wm. Stanstead |
36 |
13 |
2 |
| To the Count de Solmes |
50 |
9 |
2 |
| To Colonel Hestings |
66 |
3 |
- |
| To Mr. Ingram |
101 |
8 |
7 |
| To Captain Wilkinson |
242 |
8 |
- |
| To Colonel O'Farrell |
88 |
2 |
- |
| To Mr. Rob. Erwing |
208 |
17 |
6 |
| To Bennet Hammond |
23 |
11 |
6 |
| To the Lord Sidney |
226 |
2 |
7 |
| To the Widow Garland |
6 |
6 |
3 |
| To Sir Cha. Littleton |
54 |
13 |
- |
| To Mr. Wm. Wallis |
591 |
13 |
6 |
| To Mr. Rich. Povey |
72 |
1 |
- |
| To Daniel Birt |
24 |
19 |
2 |
| To Sir John Reresby |
24 |
3 |
- |
| To Mr. George Clerke |
30 |
13 |
4 |
| To Mr. Hugh Chidley |
148 |
2 |
6 |
| To Lieutenant Bullein |
179 |
11 |
4 |
| To Mr. Evans |
10 |
5 |
- |
| To Sir Jos. Tredenham |
56 |
6 |
8 |
| To Major Hastings |
101 |
4 |
- |
| To Mr. Dalton |
72 |
- |
- |
| To Sir John Hotham |
115 |
10 |
- |
| To several Messengers |
61 |
15 |
6 |
| To Mr. Crawford |
14 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Beavoir |
110 |
8 |
- |
| To Mr. Ingram |
46 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Peirce |
70 |
7 |
- |
| To Colonel Hallsall |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To Captain Potts |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To the Lord Lucas |
24 |
13 |
- |
| To Mr. Cragg |
134 |
10 |
6 |
| To Mr. Oglethorpe |
38 |
5 |
- |
| To Mr. Ingram |
3 |
13 |
- |
| To Mr. Bovey |
37 |
11 |
- |
| To the Widow Garland |
10 |
18 |
10 |
| To Thomas Silver |
55 |
11 |
1 |
| To Thomas Doble |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To Rich. Stanley |
73 |
12 |
- |
| To Captain Copley |
92 |
- |
- |
| To the Count de Solmes |
20 |
11 |
4 |
| To Captain Hammond |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To Geo. Collins |
20 |
14 |
6 |
| To Captain Lewis |
412 |
19 |
- |
| To Mr. Alcroft |
65 |
16 |
6 |
| To Captain Thomas |
84 |
17 |
2 |
| To Obediah Reynolds |
119 |
12 |
- |
| To the Earl of Oxford |
500 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Nich. Roope |
171 |
12 |
8 |
| To Lieutenant General Douglasse |
65 |
8 |
8 |
| To Mr. Wolesly |
35 |
12 |
- |
| To Mr. Crawford |
11 |
10 |
- |
| To Hum. Aiskell |
88 |
18 |
4 |
| To Mr. James Pearse |
31 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Godfrey |
160 |
- |
- |
| To Captain Hamond more |
9 |
4 |
- |
| To the Earl of Northampton |
3,300 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Wolesly |
28 |
17 |
6 |
| To the Lord Churchill |
31 |
2 |
2 |
| To several Messengers |
110 |
18 |
- |
| To Major Hetzler |
44 |
6 |
5 |
| To John Thurston |
39 |
19 |
6 |
| To Mr. Cooke the Messenger |
20 |
13 |
- |
| To Sir John Guise |
77 |
16 |
4 |
| To Mr. Hammond |
16 |
- |
- |
| To John Thurston more |
30 |
- |
- |
| To Dr. Bateman |
31 |
18 |
- |
| To the Earl of Feversham |
38 |
- |
- |
| To Captain Copley more |
60 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Thom. Richards |
48 |
7 |
6 |
| To Brune Clench |
13 |
15 |
- |
| To several Messengers |
59 |
13 |
- |
| To Monsieur Saumise |
15 |
10 |
- |
| To Colonel Hastings |
33 |
19 |
6 |
| To Mr. Richards |
18 |
8 |
- |
| To Captain Ketch |
30 |
- |
- |
| To Lieutenant Lesley |
20 |
- |
- |
| To the Dutch Adjutant |
23 |
10 |
- |
| To Mr. Hall |
23 |
10 |
6 |
| To Captain Godolphin |
18 |
6 |
- |
| To Mr. Topham |
60 |
- |
- |
| To several Messengers |
41 |
9 |
- |
| To the Dutch Major |
19 |
8 |
- |
| To Mr. Ridley |
23 |
- |
- |
| To the Household Drummers |
6 |
2 |
- |
| To Mr. Silver |
40 |
- |
- |
| To Major General Sgravenmore |
453 |
4 |
8 |
| To several Surgeons Mates |
126 |
10 |
- |
| To Major Mathews |
19 |
- |
2 |
| To Mr. Thurston |
10 |
- |
6 |
| To Mr. James Pearse |
39 |
5 |
2 |
| To Monsieur Hetzler |
57 |
18 |
9 |
| To Daniell Birt |
28 |
- |
- |
| To Major General Mackay |
71 |
2 |
- |
| To Major Le Hunt |
109 |
10 |
- |
| To Monsieur Hetzler |
38 |
7 |
2 |
| To Mr. Crawford |
15 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. John Ashton |
58 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel John Gibson |
90 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Vaughan |
260 |
8 |
- |
| To Major Ashton |
79 |
7 |
- |
| To Colonel Bynns |
143 |
15 |
- |
| To James Willock |
45 |
15 |
- |
| To Captain Jones |
172 |
5 |
- |
| To Mr. Crawford |
11 |
10 |
- |
| To Mr. Gosnold |
30 |
5 |
- |
| To Mr. Holford |
43 |
10 |
10 |
| To the Lord Lucas |
270 |
5 |
- |
| To Colonel King |
115 |
17 |
9 |
| To James Knight |
30 |
19 |
7 |
| To Mr. Mooney |
1,300 |
- |
- |
| To Major Board |
509 |
9 |
9 |
| To the Earl of Marlborough |
699 |
17 |
6 |
| To Major Wingfeild |
88 |
7 |
- |
| To Colonel Tolmash |
400 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Maitland |
400 |
- |
- |
| To Sir Robert Douglasse |
800 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel O Farrel |
400 |
- |
- |
| To Sir David Coljear |
200 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Hodges |
400 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Fitzpatrick |
200 |
- |
- |
| To Major Whalley |
200 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Hales |
200 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Guidott |
95 |
- |
- |
| To Major Lander and Major Bridgman |
57 |
19 |
- |
| To Mr. Moony |
130 |
- |
- |
| To Mr. Whitfeild |
57 |
9 |
6 |
| To Captain Broughton |
19 |
10 |
11 |
| To Ditto |
25 |
- |
- |
| To Ditto |
150 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel O Farrell |
19 |
2 |
6 |
| To Roger Sizer |
810 |
9 |
8 |
| To Ditto |
427 |
10 |
10 |
| To Colonel Hodges |
100 |
- |
- |
| To Colonel Talmash |
218 |
- |
- |
| To Major Bridgeman |
28 |
19 |
- |
| £. |
23,473 |
13 |
11 |
A Reply from the Committee for examining the Accompts of the Army unto the Answer of Richard
Earl of Ranelagh, Paymaster General, &c. made
by him unto the Report of the said Committee.
1st. The Report of the Committee stated the Poundage
according to the Earl of Ranelagh's Receipts; because
they found nothing in his Payments but what might be
included within the Warrant for the Deduction thereof,
unless the contrary had appeared to them; which did not:
Yet the Committee queried, Whether any of the Sums
were to be paid without that Deduction; and now leave
it to the House to be satisfied therein.
The Payment of the Dutch Forces comes per Annum
to above Four hundred thousand Pounds; and the Committee were not informed of any Reason to differ them
from the English in this Point of Poundage: If his Majesty's Pleasure therefore appear to the House, as the
Lord Ranelagh asserts in his Answer, the Committee
submits the same to the House.
The Committee thinks fit to observe, that the Warrant produced by Mr. Harbord, by virtue of which he
charged himself with above Twelve thousand Pounds,
deducted for Poundage, doth not direct him, How to distribute the same, either for Payment of Exchequer Fees,
Chelsea College, or by Direction from the Treasury: And
if the Earl of Ranelagh had made appear to the Committee any such Warrant, they would have considered thereof:
But though it is Fourteen Days since the Committee delivered in their Accompt to this House, in which they
excepted that the Lord Ranelagh had not allowed the
Poundage, and much longer since the Committee resolved
the Poundage ought to be deducted: yet the Lord Ranelagh hath not thought fit to produce to the Committee
any of those Warrants he mentions in his Answer, by
which he is directed to pay any Regiments, without deducting the Poundage, or to distribute the Poundage to
any other Uses than to pay the Army.
Navy and Army Accompts.
The Committee must submit to the House the Accompt of the Distribution of Poundage, as it is given in
by the Earl of Ranelagh, nothing being before them by
which they can examine the same, or receive any Satisfaction from it; and the rather because the several Parts of
his Answer do not agree well with one another: One Part
concluding, that no Poundage ought to be deducted;
another Part of his Answer concluding, that what remains, after other Uses satisfied, shall be applied to the
Army; and another Part seeming to decline the giving
any Answer to this House, by averring he is, in this
Point, only accountable to his Majesty.
2. The Establishments of the Regiments differ:
Therefore, without a particular Accompt of the Establishment for each Regiment, and of the Days and time
from whence the Pay commenced and ended, it is utterly
impossible for the Committee to examine the Accompts
exactly.
3. It appears by the Earl of Ranelagh's Answer, That
he hath paid Ten thousand Eight hundred Fifty-two
Pounds Eight Shillings and One Peny to Forces that
never were in his Majesty's Service, except the Scotch Regiment, for a short Time; and that Seven thousand One
hundred Eighty-six Pounds Eleven Shillings and Elevenpence, is Part of the Arrears he makes due to the Army:
Which last Sum he demands as an Arrear due to the
Regiments disbanded before their Majesties Accession to
the Crown; but produceth no Warrant for the same.
4. The Answer to the Fourth Observation is very obscure in this; That the Earl saith, That when he cleared,
he paid all by Muster Roll: But when he had Warrant
to the contrary, and so far as he had Rolls, the Committee thinks it requires no Answer: For it appears not
to them, When he cleared any, or what Warrant or Muster Rolls he had or used: But they think it strange, that
all the Respits should amount to no more than Five hundred Pounds; and suppose, upon Examination, it will
appear otherwise, and also that much more is by him
charged as paid to several Regiments, than the Establishment within the time of his Accompt comes to,
amounting in the whole to a very great Sum: Which
Charge the Committee is ready to prove, whensoever
this House shall order the same.
5. and 6. The Answer to the Fifth and Sixth Observation doth consist in the Earl's producing new Accompts:
To which the Committee can make no Reply, until they
be examined and considered of; but they relate to Sums
which were not brought or charged by the Committee
to sink the Arrears: The Committee bring back these
new Accompts to the House, that when they be read, the
House may please to declare its Pleasure thereupon.
7. The Seventh Observation, relating to the Earl of
Ranelagh, was designed by the Committee to know, What
was in his Hand just before the Accompt be brought in of
Receipts from the Exchequer; that so it might have appeared, Whether he had Money or no to pay the Forces
that were disbanded before their Majesties Accession to
the Crown, over and above the Monies that were received
by him from the Exchequer, within the time of his Accompts delivered in to the House: To which he hath
given no Answer; but that, Eleventh December 1688, the
time of the late King's going away, he had then (as he
saith) in his Hands very little; and what he had was included in the Receipts of his Accompts, and therein accounted for: But, without an Accompt appears for some
time before the Fifth November 1688, it will not be possible justly to settle the Accompt now brought in, unless
the Earl agree, that all the Money by him paid was due
betwixt the Fifth of November 1688, and the First Day
of October 1690.
The Committee, notwithstanding the Earl's Reply as to
the Tin (wherein there was a Mistake in the Transcribing of Five thousand Pounds), are of Opinion, That the
Produce of it should be applied to the Sinking of the Arrears of the Army, because it is charged by him as paid
to the Army, and in Discharge of Part of the Money
received by him out of the Exchequer.
The last Answer of the Earl of Ranelagh's, relating to
the Dutch Forces, excepts against the Accompt from
the Committee concerning the Dutch Arrears, because
Thirty-one Thousand Seven hundred Twenty-three
Pounds, owned to be paid them in Ireland since the First
of June 1690, was not deducted out of the Arrears delivered in by the Earl of Ranelagh to the House: To
which the Committee replies, That they have allowed
the same in a greater Sum, being Forty-eight thousand
Five-hundred Thirty-nine Pounds Seventeen Shillings and
Three-pence Farthing in Mr. Foxe's Accompt; who paid
the same; and therefore did put it in its proper Place to
sink the Arrears.
The Answer of Charles Fox, Esquire, to the Report,
Observations, &c. of the Committee of Accompts,
so far as they relate to himself, and Thomas Coningsby, Esquire, the present Paymasters of the
Army in Ireland.
First, The Committee in their Report say, That it appears by an Accompt made up by Mr. Fox, there was an
Arrear of Six hundred Forty-eight thousand Sixty Pounds
Fourteen Shillings and Eight-pence Farthing due to the
Army under the Care of Mr. Harbord, Mr. Fox, and
Mr. Cognisby, the First October 1690.
To which Mr. Fox answers, That there was a Paper by
him delivered in to this House the Eighth of November
last, intituled, A State of the Debt due to the Army in
Ireland, from the First May 1689, to the First October 1690.
By which it appeared, that the Sum of Four hundred Six
thousand Three hundred Thirty-seven Pounds Nine Shillings and Eight-pence was due to the said Army before
the First June 1690, till which time Mr. Harbord was
Paymaster, who made up the said Accompt; and Mr.
Fox was not at all concerned either in the Computing or
Stating thereof: And that the further Sum of Two hundred Forty-one thousand Seven hundred Twenty-three
Pounds Five Shillings and One Farthing was due to the
said Army from the First of June aforesaid, when Mr.
Fox and Mr. Cognisby entered on the Office of Paymaster,
to the First October last; both which Sums of Four hundred Six thousand Three hundred Thirty-seven Pounds
Nine Shillings and Eight-pence, and Two hundred Fortyone thousand Seven hundred Twenty-three Pounds Five
Shillings and One Farthing, make together the beforementioned gross Sum of Six hundred Forty-eight thousand
Sixty Pounds Fourteen Shillings Eight-pence and One
Farthing: But he also affirms, That in the said Paper
there are Memorandums of Fifty-two thousand Five hundred Pounds paid by Mr. Harbord, which reduced his
Arrear of Four hundred Six thousand Three hundred
Thirty-seven Pounds Nine Shillings and Eight-pence;
Three hundred Fifty-three thousand Eight hundred
Thirty-seven Pounds Nine Shillings and Eight-pence;
and of Seventy-seven Thousand Nine hundred Thirtyeight Pounds Six Shillings and Sixpence Halfpeny, paid
by Mr. Fox, which brought down his Arrear of Two
hundred Forty-one thousand Seven hundred Twentythree Pounds Five Shillings and One Farthing to One
hundred Sixty-three thousand Seven hundred Eighty-four
Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Five-pence Three Farthings: Both which Sums of Three hundred Fifty-three
thousand Eight hundred Thirty-seven Pounds Nine Shillings and Eight-pence, and One hundred Sixty-three
thousand Seven hundred Eighty-four Pounds Eighteen
Shillings and Five-pence Three Farthings, being added
together, make the Total of the Arrear to the First of
October aforesaid, as appears by the said Paper, to be
Five hundred Seventeen thousand Six hundred Twentytwo Pounds Eight Shillings and One Peny Three Farthings; which he conceives ought particularly to have
been taken Notice of in the said Report: But, since the
Committee have thought fit to state the Accompts, in a
different Method from the said Paper, Mr. Fox objects to
the Sums brought by them in Abatement of the Arrear,
so far only as concerns his Accompt; as follows; viz.
To the Sum of Three thousand Two hundred Pounds,
Part of One hundred Twenty-nine thousand Five hundred Thirty-six Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Sevenpence Three Farthings, deducted out of the said Arrears,
being Money paid to Monsieur Averquere for Recruit
Horses;
He answers, That those Horses, being in lieu of
Recruit Money, which never was deducted from the
Soldiers, ought not to be applied towards sinking the
Arrear.
To the Charge, in the said Report, of Twelve-pence in
the Pound for the Sum of Two hundred Forty-three
thousand One hundred Eighty-five Pounds Eight Shillings and One Peny Halfpenny received by Mr. Fox, and
which amounts to Twelve thousand One hundred Fiftynine Pounds Five Shillings and Five-pence;
He answers,
1st, That the Twelve-pence in the Pound is ordered
to be deducted by his Majesty's Warrant inserted in the
Establishment of Ireland, to be disposed of as his Majesty shall direct: And the Act of Parliament against
Mutiny and Desertion, declares the said Twelve-pence in
the Pound shall be disposed as his Majesty by his Warrant shall direct.
2dly. That a great Part of the Sums issued by the
present Paymasters of Ireland hath been paid without
any Deduction by his Majesty's particular Directions;
and most of the Remainder being paid on Account,
there could not be a Deduction thereout, because
the said Poundage is never stopt but upon Clearings;
and if, upon the said Clearings, any thing of the Poundage shall remain after a Deduction of the Exchequer
Fees, and the Charge of the Office, his Majesty will
dispose thereof by his Warrant; and therefore he conceives the said Poundage is not applicable to sink the
said Arrear.
All the other Abatements in the said Report relating
to the Forces in Ireland, during such time as Mr. Harbord was Paymaster there, Mr. Fox leaves it to him to
give particular Answers thereunto.
To the 1st, 2d, and 3d Articles of the said Committee's
Paper of Observations, Mr. Fox answers,
That he found all the Regiments, mentioned in the said
Paper delivered in by him the Eighth of November last;
established the First June 1690, when he entered on his
Office, except that of Roscommon, Drogheda, Ingolsby,
and Zanky; and since the said First June none have
been disbanded.
To the 4th Article in the said Observations, he answers, That, from the said First June to the First October
last, there has been no Muster taken of the Forces in
Ireland; so that he was obliged to compute for that
time according to the Establishment: But his Majesty
having taken a Review of them after the Battle of the
Boyne, when the said Arrear shall be cleared the Payments will be regulated according to the Numbers at the
said Review.
To the 5th Observation, the said Paymaster answers,
That he has paid but Two thousand Nine hundred Ninetyeight Pounds Twelve Shillings and One Halfpeny for
Contingencies, the Particulars of which he hath annexed
to this his Answer; but what Payments have been made
on that Account by the other Paymasters, he knows
not.
To the 6th Observation, he saith, That he has paid
Thirteen thousand Pounds, as appears by his Accompts
for Transports; but what Mr. Harbord has paid for that
Use will appear by his Accompts, which Mr. Fox is not
concerned in.
All which is humbly submitted to this honourable
House, this Tenth December 1690. Cha. Fox.
An Accompt of Money paid by Charles Fox, and
Thomas Conningsby, Esquires, for several contingent
Uses relating to the Service of Ireland.
|
|
| |
|
£. |
s. |
d. |
| Paid to the Three Commissioners of the Great Seal of Ireland for the Equipage, &c. |
300 |
- |
- |
| Paid Sir Tho. Domville, Clerk of the Crown, ditto |
60 |
- |
- |
| Paid Mr. Jones for the Printing Press |
100 |
- |
- |
| Paid Mr. Cuff, for building a Store-house at High Lake
|
250 |
- |
- |
| Paid for Two Tents for Sir Ro. Southwell
|
72 |
10 |
- |
| Paid for Twenty-seven Horses for the Train of Provisions |
216 |
- |
- |
| Paid Mr. Forward his Majesty's Bounty |
100 |
- |
- |
| Paid Madam Rozeinham, ditto |
100 |
- |
- |
| Paid Wm. La Baume, who brought an Express |
20 |
- |
- |
| Paid Dr. Fairclough, by Direction from the Treasury |
30 |
- |
- |
| Paid Count Solmes Secretary |
46 |
- |
- |
| Paid for Freight of Goods |
441 |
4 |
- |
| Paid Sir Rob. Southwell on Account of his Entertainment to the First of October
|
625 |
- |
- |
| Paid for Horses, Waggons, and several other Expences in sending Money for Ireland
|
250 |
9 |
-½ |
| Paid to the Guards that attended it |
137 |
9 |
- |
| Lost by Twelve thousand Guineas received at Twenty-two Shillings, and paid at Twenty-one Shillings and Nine-pence, per Order of Treasury |
150 |
- |
- |
| Paid the Commissioners of the Sick and Wounded, on Account of the Irish Prisoners |
100 |
- |
- |
| £. |
2,998 |
12 |
-½ |
A Reply to the Paper of Cha. Fox, Esquire, relating to
the Accompts of the Army.
1. The First Article admits the Arrears to be stated by
Mr. Fox himself, according to the Report of the Committee; but excepts against that Report, because the
Committee did not take particular Notice of Two Memorandums in the Paper delivered in by Mr. Fox, by
which he says, Fifty-two thousand Five hundred Pounds
was paid by Mr. Harbord, and Seventy-seven thousand
Nine hundred Thirty-eight Pounds Six Shillings and Sixpence Halfpeny, was paid by Mr. Fox, not included in the
Accompt, which would sink the Arrear: But this Exception is only to the Method of the Accompt, which Mr.
Fox admits to be true; and the Reason of the Committee's
Method was, because they found that both Mr. Fox and
Mr. Harbord had paid more than those Sums on the Account of the Army, besides what was stated in the Accompt brought in by Mr. Fox, and so have allowed in
their Accompts at once in general all paid by them for
Subsistence Money, in which these Sums are included.
2. Mr. Fox excepts against Three thousand Two hundred Pounds paid to Monsieur Overkirk for Recruit
Horses, being, as he saith, in lieu of Recruit Money;
and ought not to be applied to the Sinking of the Arrears.
This Matter was debated in the Committee: Who found,
in all the Accompts, great Sums paid for Levy Money,
and also very great Sums for Horses, amounting, in the
Whole, to above Sixty-five thousand Pounds; and no
Warrants pretended for the allowing this to the Army.
Upon Consideration whereof, and that the Accompt of
the Irish Army then before them was made up according
to Establishment, it was their Opinion, That so much of
the said Sum ought to be charged to the Army as was
laid out for Recruit Horses, leaving out the Carriage
Horses: So that this Exception is only Mr. Fox his
Opinion against that of the Committee's: Which is submitted to the House.
3. Mr. Fox conceives the Poundage is not applicable to
sink the Arrears, because being by the Warrant for the
Deductions thereof to be disposed of as his Majesty shall
direct: He saith, A great Part of the same, issued by the
present Paymasters for Ireland, hath been paid by his
Majesty's particular Directions, without any Deduction;
and the Remains cannot be stopped, but upon clearing;
and then, after Deduction of the Exchequer Fees, and
Charge of the Office, is to be at his Majesty's Disposal.
The Committee see the Warrant for the Deduction of
Poundage from the Army in Ireland, which direct the
same to be disposed, as his Majesty, by his Warrant,
should direct; but neither Mr. Harbord nor Mr. Fox did
produce any Warrant to pay any one Regiment, without
the Deduction of Poundage; so nothing appeared to
them, Why the Poundage should not be deducted; and it
was all one, as the Committee conceived, if the same is to
be deducted, whether the Money was in the Hand of
Mr. Fox, or the Army; because so much less was due to
the Army, as the Poundage came to: And his Majesty
having ordered the Accompts to be brought before this
House, and not directed by any Warrant to dispose of
the Poundage, the Committee suppose his Majesty did
not expect this House should supply his Majesty to pay
the Arrear of the Army, when there appears Money
which he might direct to pay such Arrears; and to say,
that the Paymasters are accountable to the King, is not
only to avoid giving Satisfaction to the House, but a
Refusal to give that Account they are required to make
by his Majesty.
The rest of Mr. Foxe's Paper needs no Reply to it:
He owns, That he hath computed the Debt of the Army
according to the Establishment: Which he excuses, because he saith, No Muster hath been taken since he entered upon the Office, to the Time of the Accompt.
He hath given in a List of his Contingencies: Which
the Committee brings to the House; that it may be read,
and the Pleasure of the House known thereupon.
Commissioners of Accompts.
Then the House, according to the Order of the Day,
resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, to
consider of the Bill for appointing and enabling Commissioners to take the Publick Accompts.
Mr. Speaker left the Chair.
Sir Wm. Whitlock took the Chair of the Committee.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Sir Wm. Whitlock reports from the said Committee,
That they had gone through the Bill; and agreed upon
several Amendments thereunto; which they had directed
him to report to the House.
Ordered, That the said Report be made on Monday
Morning next, at Ten a Clock.
The King's Speech to be considered.
Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday Morning
next, at Eleven a Clock, take into Consideration his
Majesty's Gracious Speech this Day to both Houses of
Parliament.
Committees.
Ordered, That all Committees be adjourned.
And then the House adjourned till Monday
Morning, Eight a Clock.