House of Lords Journal Volume 3
10 April 1624

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 3: 10 April 1624', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 3: 1620-1628 (1767-1830), pp. 296-298. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=30395 Date accessed: 31 July 2014.


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DIE Sabbati,videlicet, 10 die Aprilis,

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales, quorum nomina subscribuntur, præsentes fuerunt: p. Carolus Princeps Walliæ, etc.

p. Archiepus. Cant.
Archiepus. Eborum.
p. Epus. London.
p. Epus. Dunelm.
p. Epus. Winton.
Epus. Petriburg.
Epus. Hereforden.
Epus. Wigorn.
Epus. Norwicen.
p. Epus. Roffen.
Epus. Glocestren.
Epus. Carlien.
p. Epus. Co. et Lich.
Epus. Bath. et W.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Elien.
Epus. Cicestren.
p. Epus. Oxon.
p. Epus. Cestren.
p. Epus. Landaven.
p. Epus. Sarum.
p. Epus. Exon.
p. Epus. Meneven.
p. Epus. Bristol.
p. Epus. Asaphen.
p. Epus. Lincoln, Ds. Custos Mag. Sigilli.
p. Comes Midd. Mag. Thes. Angliæ.
p. Vicecomes Maundevill, Præs. Conc. Domini Regis.
p. Comes Wigorn. Ds. Custos Privati Sigilli.
p. Dux Buck. Mag. Adm. Angliæ.
Marchio Winton.
Comes Oxon. Mag. Camer. Angliæ.
p. Comes Arundellet Surr. Comes Marescallus Angliæ.
p. Comes Cantabr. Senesc. Hospitii.
p. Comes Pembroc, Camer. Hospitii.
Comes Northumbriæ.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Salop.
p. Comes Kanciæ.
Comes Derbiæ.
p. Comes Rutland.
Comes Cumbriæ.
p. Comes Sussex.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Bath.
p. Comes South'ton.
Comes Bedd.
Comes Hertford.
p. Comes Essex.
Comes Lincoln.
Comes Suffolciæ.
Comes Dorsett.
p. Comes Sarum.
p. Comes Exon.
p. Comes Mountgomery.
p. Comes Bridgewater.
p. Comes Leicestriæ.
p. Comes North'ton.
Comes Warwic.
p. Comes Devon.
Comes March.
Comes Holdernesse.
p. Comes Carlile.
p. Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bristol.
p. Comes Anglisey.
Vicecomes Mountague.
Vicecomes Wallingford.
Vicecomes Purbecke.
Vicecomes Mansfeild.
Vicecomes Colchester.
p. Vicecomes Rochford.
p. Vicecomes Andever.
Ds. Abergavenny.
Ds. Audley.
Ds. Zouch.
p. Ds. Willoughby de Er.
p. Ds. Delawarr.
p. Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Morley et M.
Ds. Dacres de H.
p. Ds. Stafford.
p. Ds. Scroope.
p. Ds. Duddeley.
p. Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Herbert de Sh.
Ds. Darcy de M.
Ds. Vaux.
Ds. Windsore.
p. Ds. Wentworth.
Ds. Mordant.
p. Ds. St. John de Bas.
p. Ds. Cromewell.
Ds. Evre.
p. Ds. Sheffeild.
p. Ds. Pagett.
p. Ds. North.
p. Ds. St. John de Bl.
p. Ds. Howard de W.
Ds. Wootton.
p. Ds. Russell.
Ds. Grey de Gro.
p. Ds. Petre.
p. Ds. Danvers.
p. Ds. Spencer.
Ds. Say et Seale.
p. Ds. Denny.
p. Ds. Stanhope de H.
p. Ds. Carewe.
Ds. Arundell de W.
p. Ds. Haughton.
Ds. Teynham.
Ds. Stanhope de S.
Ds. Noel.
Ds. Brooke.
p. Ds. Mountague.
p. Ds. Cary de Lep.
Ds. Kensington.
p. Ds. Grey de W.

To explain An Act 40 Eliz. touching Lucas and Flowerdew's Lands.

HODIE 1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the Explanation, in some Points, of a former Act, made in the Three and Fortieth Year of the Reign of the late Queen Elizabeth, intituled, An Act to make the Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, of Edward Lucas, Gentleman, deceased, Executor of the last Will and Testament of John Flowerdewe, Esquire, deceased, liable to the Payment of certain Legacies, given by the last Will of the said John Flowerdew, and to the Payment of divers other Debts, owing by the said Lucas in his Lifetime.

Message from the H. C. for Conference touching Recusants.

Message from the House of Commons, by Mr. Solicitor and others: That they have taken into their Consideration the Model of the Petition, which they received from their Lordships, touching Jesuits, Seminary Priests, and Recusants; and they do now desire a Conference for the same, humbly leaving the Time and Place, and Number of Committees, unto their Lordships.

And whereas they formerly received a Message from their Lordships for a Conference, touching the Bill of Monopolies, which they yielded unto, but afterwards prayed the same to be put off, by reason of some intervenient Business of great Importance, they did signify unto their Lordships, That they are now ready for that Conference also, and, if their Lordships please, presently.

Monopolies.

Answered: That the Lords will give a Meeting for the Conference concerning the Bill of Monopolies, on Monday next, at Two, in the Painted Chamber; and for the Model of this Petition presently, in the same Place, with the former Committees.

Report from the Conference touching Recusants.

Their Lordships being returned from the Conference, the Lord Archbishop of Cant. reported wherein the Commons desired some few Words to be added for Explanation of the said Petition, in Four Places; videlicet, 1. For a Proclamation for the due Execution of the Laws against the Jesuits, Priests, &c. 2. For disarming of all such as are justly suspected Recusants, as well as the Convicted Recusants. 3. A speedy Day to be prayed for the Departure of the Priests and Jesuits, as well as a certain Day. 4. In the Clause not to take away or slacken the Execution of the Laws now in Force against Popish Recusants, to add "Jesuits and Priests."

Their Lordships having long debated these Four Points; and for the First, they did not think fit to pray a Proclamation, lest Posterity should hereafter deem, that the Execution of the Laws was slackened by Proclamation, which was neither done nor projected to be done: wherefore their Lordships Agreed, To leave it to the King, to take such Course as His Majesty shall please for the said Laws to be put in Execution; as the Petition is already drawn by their Lordships.

And as, touching the Second Point, their Lordships did not agree unto the Addition of "justly-suspected Recusants," for that the Word "suspected" is of that Extent as cannot be determined legally; wherefore the Prince was pleased to advise, That the Disarming of Recusants may be according to the Laws, and according to former Acts, and Directions of State in the like Cases.

As touching the Third, their Lordships agreed unto it; and to the Fourth also.

Second Conference reported.

Their Lordships went to the Conference again: And being returned; the Lord Archbishop of Cant. reported the Commons Assent unto the said Petition, with no other Explanation than those Three whereunto their Lordships had formerly agreed.

The Petition.

"May it please Your most Excellent Majesty,

"It having pleased Your Majesty, upon our humble Suit and Advice, to dissolve both the Treaties, to our great Joy and Comfort;

"We Your Majesty's most faithful and loyal Subjects, the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, do, in all Humbleness, offer unto Your Sacred Majesty these Two Petitions following:

"First, That, for the more Safety of Your Realms, and better keeping Your Subjects in their due Obedience, and other important Reasons of State, Your Majesty will be pleased, by some such Course as Your Majesty shall think fit, to give present Order, That all the Laws be put in due Execution, which have been made, and do stand in Force, against Jesuits, Seminary Priests, and all others having taken Orders by Authority derived from the See of Rome, and generally against all Popish Recusants; and as for Disarming, that it may be according to the Laws, and according to former Acts and Directions of State in the like Case; and yet that it may appear to all the World the Favour and Clemency Your Majesty useth towards all Your Subjects, of what Condition soever. And, to the Intent the Jesuits and Priests now in the Realm may not pretend to be surprized, that a speedy and certain Day may be prefixed, by Your Majesty's Proclamation, before which Day they shall depart out of this Realm, and all other Your Highness's Dominions; and neither they nor any other to return, or come hither again, upon Peril of the severest Penalties of the Laws now in Force against them; and that all Your Majesty's Subjects may thereby also be admonished, not to receive, entertain, comfort, or conceal any of them, upon the Penalties and Forfeitures which by the Laws may be imposed on them.

"Secondly (seeing we are thus happily delivered from that Danger which those Treaties now dissolved, and that Use which Your ill-affected Subjects made thereof, would certainly have drawn upon us, and yet cannot but foresee and fear lest the like may hereafter happen, which would inevitably bring such Peril unto Your Majesty's Kingdoms), we are most humble Suitors to Your Gracious Majesty, to secure the Hearts of Your good Subjects, by the Engagement of Your Royal Word unto them, That, upon no Occasion of Marriage or Treaty, or other Request in that Behalf, from any Foreign Prince or State whatsoever, You will take away or slacken the Execution of Your Laws against Jesuits, Priests, and Popish Recusants.

"To which our humble Petitions, proceeding from our most loyal and dutiful Affections towards Your Majesty, our Care of our Country's Good, and our own confident Persuasion that these will much advance the Glory of Almighty God, the everlasting Honour of Your Majesty, the Safety of Your Kingdoms, and the Encouragement of all Your good Subjects, we do most humbly beseech Your Majesty to vouchsafe a Gracious Answer."

Munitions.

It is Agreed, That the Lords Committees for Munitions, &c. do make Report unto the House on Monday next, what their Lordships have done in that Business; and that the House meet that Day, at Eight in the Morning, and to finish that Business before they rise.

Adjourn.

Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Lunæ, videlicet, 12m diem instantis Aprilis, hora octava, Dominis sic decernentibus.