DIE Lunæ, 3 die Februarii.
PRAYERS, by Dr. Wincupp.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
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L. General.
L. Admiral.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Suff.
Comes Stamford.
L. Viscount Say & Scale.
Comes Kent.
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Ds. North.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Howard. |
Michell and Osbaston.
It was moved, "That Colonel Michaell might be
heard, by his Counsel, touching the Business between
him and Mr. Osbaston:" And the House thought it not
fit to give Way to it, until the said Michell, standing in
Contempt to this House, might give Satisfaction to the
House for the same, and stand rectus in Curia.
E. of Northumberland's Lodge at Peworth, plundered by Sir W. Waller's Soldiers.
Upon Information to this House, "That some Forces
of Sir Wm. Waller's hath (fn. *) been plundering a Lodge
belonging to the Earl of Northumb. in the Custody
of Mr. Payler, at Petworth, and have taken away the
Goods:" Hereupon this (fn. †) House Ordered, That a
Letter be written to Sir Wm. Waller, that he should examine this Business, and find out the Offenders, and return
the State of the Business to this House; and that (fn. *) an
Ordinance be drawn up, for the Protection of his Houses
and Lodges.
De Franchi, a Pass.
Ordered, That Signior Gio Miolo de Franchi, and Gio
Basta Riva his Servant, [ (fn. *) shall have a Pass,] to go
to Oxford, to His Majesty's Court, and from thence to
Faymouth, about some Silver of his which was in the
Ship that went in thither.
Message from the H. C. with Ordinances.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Nicolls, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars following:
1. An Ordinance concerning the reimbursing to the
Commissioners of Excise Fourteen Thousand Pounds.
(Here enter it.)
Read Thrice, and Agreed to.
2. Another Ordinance, for enlarging the Ordinance
of Excise. (Here enter it.)
Read, and Agreed to.
Answer.
The Answer returned was:
That this House agrees to all the Particulars now
brought up.
Papers from the Commissioners at Uxbridge.
The Speaker reported, "That he received this
Morning a Packet from the Commissioners at Uxbridge;
directed thus,
"For the Right Honourable the Lord Gray of
Warke, Speaker of the House of Peers
pro Tempore."
Next was read, the Papers inclosed, being Twenty in
Number. (Here enter them.)
Next were read, Two Letters from the Commissioners
at Uxbridge, dated the 2 Feb. 1644.
Assembly desired to dispatch the Directory for Church Government.
Ordered, That the Earl of Manchester is hereby
appointed to acquaint the Assembly, from this House,
"That their Lordships have received a Letter from the
Commissioners at Uxbridge, to signify, that it is requisite
that the Remainder of the Church Government be
dispatched; therefore to desire that the Assembly
would hasten the finishing of the Church Government."
Ordinance for an Allowance for the Minister of Okingham.
The Lord Viscount Say & Seale reported from the
Committee, "That they have considered of the Ordinance for the Minister of Okingham; and they think
it fit to pass as it is."
Hereupon it was Read the Third Time, and Agreed to.
(Here enter it.)
Answer to the Papers from the Commissioners for the Treaty.
Ordered, That the Desires of the Commissioners in
their Papers are referred to the Consideration of the
Committee of both Kingdoms, to prepare an Answer
thereto, and report the same to this House; and to
send to the House of Commons, to desire their Concurrence herein.
Ordered, To send to the House of Commons, to
desire them to give Expedition to the Instructions to be
given the Commissioners, what Answer they are to make
to the King's Propositions.
Message to the H. C. about it.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:
To let them know, their Lordships have received divers
Papers from the Commissioners at Uxbridge; and do think
fit to refer the Consideration thereof to the Committee
of both Kingdoms, to prepare what they conceive fit to
be tendered to both Houses of Parliament for their
further Consideration thereof.
2. That whereas this House sent down Instructions to
the Commissioners, what Answer to give the King's
Propositions; to desire Expedition therein.
Sir T. Mal let's Recognizance vacated, he having procured Sir J. Temple's Exchange.
Upon certain Information to this House, "That Sir
John Temple is come to London out of Ireland, being
exchanged for Sir Thomas Mallett Knight, One of the
Justices of the Court of King's Bench:" It is Ordered, That Mr. Justice Mallett's Recognizance, entered into by him in this House, shall be hereby vacated,
and made of none Effect; and likewise he is hereby
released and acquitted from the Engagement of his Word
given to this House for his Personal Appearance, and
rendering of himself, in case Sir John Temple was not
released by Way of Exchange for him; and that John
Wingate his Servant shall have a Pass, to go to him, to
give him Notice herein.
Message from the H. C. to expedite the Ordinance for the Army to be under the Command of Sir T. Fairfax;
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Recorder of London:
To desire their Lordships will please to take the Ordinance for the new Model of the Army into Consideration, because they look upon it as a Business that concerns
the Safety of the Kingdom.
and to sit P. M.
2. To let their Lordships know, that the House of
Commons intend to sit this Afternoon, about the Affairs
of the Kingdom; and desire their Lordships would sit
likewise, if it may stand with Conveniency.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House will take the Ordinance into speedy
Consideration: and will sit at Three a Clock this Afternoon, as is desired.
Paper from the King's Commissioners, for nothing to be final, but what is in Writing.
1 Februarii, 1644.
"We desire a full Answer to our Paper, that nothing
shall be taken as agreed upon, but what is put in
Writing; and your Concurrence in declaring, that
what shall be delivered in Writing upon any Proposition, or upon any Part of a Proposition, is not to be
binding or prejudicial to either Party, if the Treaty
shall break off.
By Command of His Majesty's "Commissioners.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
Wm. Dugdale.
Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Nic. Oudart."
"1 Februarii,
Answer.
1 Februarii, 1644.
"According to our former Paper, we shall deliver
our Demands and Answers in Writing, and desire your
Lordships to do the like; and nothing shall be taken
as agreed upon, but what is put in Writing; and
we shall acquaint the Houses of Parliament, that you
have declared what shall be delivered in Writing upon
any Proposition, or upon any Part of a Proposition,
is not to be binding or prejudicial to either Party, if
the Treaty shall break off.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
Paper from the King's Commissioners, complaining of a Sermon preached by Mr. Love, at Uxbridge, reviling them.
Ultimo Januarii, 1644.
We have certain Information, from divers present
in Uxbridge Church Yesterday, that there was then a
Sermon preached by one Mr. Love, in which were
several Passages very scandalous to His Majesty's
Person, and derogatory to His Honour, stirring up the
People against this Treaty, and incensing them against
us; telling them, "That we came with Hearts full of
Blood; and that there is as great a Distance between
this Treaty and Peace, as between Heaven and Hell,"
or Words to that Effect; with divers other seditious
Passages, both against His Majesty and this Treaty.
We know His Majesty's hearty Desire of a happy and
well-grounded Peace, such as may be for God's
Honour, and the Good of all His Subjects as well as
Himself; and we, that are intrusted by His Commission, come with clear Intentions to serve Him in it,
according to our Consciences, and the best of our
Judgements; and this being preached in your Quarters, where we now are under safe Conduct, we desire
your Lordships to consider how much this may reflect
upon our Safety, how much it may prejudice and blast
the blessed Hopes of this Treaty, and how just Offence
and Distrust it may beget in His Majesty; and therefore we desire Justice against the Man, and that he
may have exemplary Punishment.
By Command of His Majesty's Commissioners.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
Wm. Dugdale.
Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Nich. Oudart."
Answer to it.
Ultimo Januarii, 1644.
To the Paper delivered in by your Lordships this
Day, concerning the Information received of several
scandalous Passages preached in a Sermon in Uxbridge
Church Yesterday, by one Mr. Love, we do return this
Answer: That the said Mr. Love is none of our Retinue, nor came hither by any Privity of ours; that
we conceive it most reasonable and agreeable to
the Business we are now upon, that all just Occasions
of Offence on either Part be avoided; and, as it hath
been our Desire, so shall it be our Endeavour, to take
the best Care we can, to prevent all Prejudices upon
the present Treaty, which may blast the blessed Hopes
thereof, or may beget any just Offence and Distrust in
His Majesty; and shall be as tender of your Lordships
Persons, according to the safe Conduct, as of our own.
We shall represent your Lordships Paper concerning
this Business (if your Lordships so desire) unto the Lords
and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England,
who will proceed therein according to Justice.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
Further Paper from the King's Commissioners about it.
1 Februarii, 1644.
We insist upon our former Desires, concerning the
Sermon preached by Mr. Love, and must refer the
the Way of doing Justice to your Lordships; and if
your Lordships are not satisfied that such Words as we
have charged him with were spoken by him, we are
ready to produce our Proof thereof to your Lordships.
By Command of His Majesty's Commissioners.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
Wm. Dugdale.
Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Nich. Oudart."
Answer.
1 Februarii, 1644.
We will represent both your Lordships Papers concerning Mr. Love unto the Lords and Commons
assembled in the Parliament of England at Westm. who
will proceed therein according to Justice.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretrary."
Paper from the King's Commissioners, concerning the Proposition for Religion.
1 Februarii, 1644.
Your Lordships First Proposition, in the Paper
concerning Religion, referring to the Third Proposition sent to His Majesty; we find that refers to the
Articles of the late Treaty, of the Date, Edenburgh,
29th November, 1643, and to the joint Declaration
of both Kingdoms; we desire your Lordships, we
may see those Articles and Declarations: And
your Lordships Second Proposition in that Paper,
referring to the Ordinances concerning the Calling
and Sitting of the Assembly of Divines, we desire to
see those Ordinances.
By Command of His Majesty's Commissioners.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
Wm. Dugdale.
Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Nic. Oudart."
Articles of the Treaty at Edinburgh, and the joint Declaration of both Kingdoms delivered to them;
1 Februarii, 1644.
According to your Lordships Desire in the Third
Paper, we now deliver in the Articles of the late
Treaty, of the Date of Edinburgh, 29 of Novem.
1644, and the joint Declaration of both Kingdoms;
and we shall speedily deliver to your Lordships the
Ordinances concerning the Calling and Sitting of the
Assembly of Divines.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
1 Februarii, 1644.
and the Ordinance for calling the Assembly of Divines.
For Satisfaction to your Lordships Desires, we do
herewith deliver the Ordinances for calling and sitting
of the Assembly of Divines; and our Commission,
with a Quorum of Ten.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
1 Februarii, 1644.
King's Commissioners desire to know if there are any more Propositions about Religion.
"We desire to know, whether the Propositions which
we have received from your Lordships, touching
Religion, be all that we are to expect from you upon
that Subject.
By Command of His Majesty's Commissioners.
Exam'r,
John Thurloe Secretary.
Wm. Dugdale.
Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Nic. Oudart."
More to be delivered to them.
"1 Februarii, 1644.
" (fn. *) There are other Things touching Religion to be
propounded by us unto your Lordships, upon the Propositions formerly sent unto His Majesty from the
Parliaments of both Kingdoms, which we shall in
due Time give in unto your Lordships; but we do
first desire your Answer to the Papers touching Religion, given in Yesterday, that some good Progress
may be made therein, before the Three Days assigned
to treat upon Religion in the First Place do expire.
"Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
King's Commissioners desire to know if those from the Parliament have Power to make any Alterations in the Propositions for Religion.
"1 Februarii, 1644.
"Having considered your Lordships Paper containing
the Propositions concerning Religion, with the Paper
annexed, and finding the same to contain absolute
Alterations in the Government both of the Ecclesiastical and Civil Estate; we desire to know, whether
your Lordships have Power to treat and debate upon
the said Propositions, and, upon Debate, to recede
from, or consent to, Alerations in the said Propositions, if we shall make it appear to be reasonable so
to do; or whether your Lordships are bound up, by
your Instructions, to insist upon those Propositions
without any Alterations.
"By Command of His Majesty's
Commissioners.
"Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Wm. Dugdale.
"Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Nic. Oudart."
Parliament's Commissioners can't alter them; but will shew the Reasonableness of them.
"1 Februarii, 1644.
"Our Paper given in to your Lordships conceruing
Religion doth contain no Alterations but such as are
usual in a Time of Reformation, and, by the Wisdom
of the Parliaments of both Kingdoms, are judged
necessary at this Time, for settling Religion and
Peace; and as, by our Commission and Paper formerly shewed your Lordships, we have made known
our Power to treat upon them, so are we ready by
Debate, to shew how reasonable they are, and that
there will be no Reason to expect that we should alter
or recede from them; but as for your Demand of our
shewing what further Power we have by our Instructions, it is that we have no Warrant to do, as we have
already signified to your Lordships by a former Paper.
Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
Whether the Parliament's Commissioners have any Instructions about the King's Propositions.
1 Februarii, 1644.
We desire to know, whether your Lordships have any
Instructions concerning His Majesty's Propositions for
settling a safe and well-grounded Peace; and, if you
have any touching the same, we desire a Sight of them.
"By Command of His Majesty's
Commissioners.
Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Wm. Dugdale.
"Nic. Oudart."
Answer.
"1 Februarii, 1644.
"We have not as yet received Instructions concerning
His Majesty's Propositions, and shall therefore acquaint
the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament
of England with the Desires expressed in that Paper;
who, having taken those Instructions into their Considerations before our coming from them, will send
them to us in Time convenient.
"Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
King's Commissioners desire their Messengers may pass to and from Oxford freely.
1 Februarii, 1644.
"We desire that such Messengers as His Majesty shall
send to us with Letters may come hither, stay, and
return to Oxford, under the safe Conduct granted to
us; provided that but One Person shall come at Once;
and his Name shall be immediately, as soon as he comes
to us, sent to the Governor of this Town.
"By Command of His Majesty's Commissioners.
Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Wm. Dugdale."
King's Commissioners desire Time to consider of the great Alterations proposed in Religion and Church Government.
"1 Februarii, 1644.
"We desire to know, whether the Propositions we
formerly received from your Lordships concerning
Religion were all that would be offered concerning
that Subject, because we thought it very necessary
(since so great are proposed by you) to have a full
View of the whole Alterations that are desired, since.
in an Argument of the greatest Weight and highest
Importance, we cannot give a perfect Judgement of
any Part till we have a Prospect of the whole; but,
since your Lordships do not yet think it Time to let
us have a Sight of the rest, but first desire our Answer
to the Paper delivered Yesterday, which contains many
Particulars of which we never heard before, we shall
apply ourselves to understand the Things proposed by
you, in such Manner as we may return your Lordships a speedy Answer; and, to that Purpose, must
desire your Lordships Information in some Particulars
which are comprized in your Lordships Paper: And
when your Lordships consider that the Directory for
Worship (being so long) was delivered to us but
Yesterday; that the Covenant, the Articles of the
Treaty of Edinburgh, the Declaration of both Kingdoms, which are comprehended within the First Prosition, was delivered to us but this Day; and therefore we could return no Answer concerning the Bill
for abolishing of Archbishops and Bishops, which is
proposed to be passed according to the Third Proposition, in which the said Articles and Declarations are
comprehended; and that the Ordinances for the Sitting
of the Assembly are not yet delivered to us; we are
confident, your Lordships will not think us negligent
in making as good Progress in the Treaty upon Religion as in our Power, which we shall endeavour to
advance with all Diligence, and the best of our Understanding.
"By Command of His Majesty's Commissioners.
Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Wm. Dugdale.
"Nic. Oudart."
King's Commissioners desire Information relative to some Things concerning Church Government.
"1 Februarii, 1644.
"The Information we desire from your Lordships for
the present is;
"Whether, by the Words in the First of those Propositions in your Lordships Paper annexed ["the respective Bounds of their Dwellings"], you intend
the several Bounds of their Dwelling-houses, or the
Bounds of Parishes; or whether you intend an Alteration of the Bounds of Parishes.
"In the Second Proposition, what other Church
Officers [ (fn. *) your Lordships] intend shall join with
the Ministers in the Government of the Church; and
what Jurisdiction they shall exercise in order to that
Government, and from whom they shall derive it, and
in what Degree be subordinate to the Power from
whence they derive it,
"And what you intend by Presbyterial Government,
by your Third Proposition.
"In the Fourth Proposition, what your Lordships
intend by Congregational, Classical, and Synodical
Assemblies.
"How Synodical Assemblies, Provincial, and National,
shall be constituted, as to Persons and Causes; and
what shall be the Bounds and Limits of their Jurisdictions, and from whom the several Jurisdictions
above-mentioned shall be derived.
"To these Particulars we would be glad, if your
Lordships think it fit, to receive Satisfaction in Debate,
where Questions may be asked, and Replies made;
before any Answer be returned in Writing, which may
ask much Time, and be less satisfactory; but we refer
the Way to your Lordships.
"By Command of His Majesty's "Commissioners.
"Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Wm. Dugdale.
"Nic. Oudart."
Parliament's Commissioners will give a Conference about it.
"1 Februarii, 1644.
"We cannot but be sensible of the great Loss of
Time occasioned by your Lordships Questions for Information in your last Paper; and shall have small
Hopes of good Success in this Treaty, having these
Two Days made so little Progress, unless your Lordships be pleased to give us full Answer to our Demands
concerning Religion: Yet, to give all Satisfaction,
with as little Expence of Time as may be, we are
ready, by present Conference, to clear the Questions
in your Paper.
"Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary."
Paper from the King's Commissioners, to acquit themselves of the Imputation of Delay, concerning the Propositions for Church Government.
"2 Februarii, 1644.
"We conceive there was no Cause your Lordships
should apprehend any Loss of Time occasioned by our
present Questions, for that your Propositions concerning Religion were not delivered to us till Friday last;
and the Directory then delivered with them so long,
that the Reading of it spent the Residue of that Day;
and divers other Papers, to which the Propositions
referred, and without which we could not consider
them, were not delivered us before Yesterday, and some
of them not till after the Paper which imputes a Delay
to us; and your Lordships having propounded only
general Heads of a Presbyterial Government, without
any particular Model of it, which in several Reformed
Churches (as we are informed) is various both in Names
and Powers, it was necessary to understand the particular Expressions in your Paper, the Alteration desired
being so great, and being proposed to be enacted, which
will require His Majesty's Consent, whom we ought to
satisfy, having so great a Trust reposed in us; and we
desire your Lordships to consider how impossible it
hath been for us to give your Lordships, in less than
Two Days, a full Answer (which in your last Paper
you require) to what you propose, which is in Effect
to consent to the utter abolishing of that Government,
Discipline, and Public Form of the Worship of God,
which hath been practised and established by Law
here ever since the Reformation, and which we well
understand, and the Alteration of which, in the Manner
proposed, takes away many Things in the Civil Government, and provides no Remedy for the Inconveniencies which may happen thereby; and to consent to the
Alienation of the Lands of the Church, for which, for
aught appears (besides infinite other Considerations),
so many Persons may be put to beg their Bread; to
oblige His Majesty and all His Subjects to the taking
of a new Oath or Covenant, and to receive and consent
to a new Government; we do not, nor without Information cannot, understand; and which (in Truth)
appears to us, by your Lordships Propositions, not to
be (fn. *) yet agreed upon in the Particulars; and your
Lordships having declared to us, that you have other
Things to propose to us concerning Religion which you
do not (fn. *) yet think it fit Time to acquaint us withall;
notwithstanding all which Difficulties, we shall proceed
with all possible Expedition; and desire that your
Lordships will not object Delay to us, till we give you
just Occasion.
"By Command of His Majesty's
Commissioners.
"Exam'r,
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniell Earle Secretary.
"Wm. Dugdale.
"Nic. Oudart."
Paper from them, to know if they understood the Parliament's Commissioners right, concerning the Propositions for Church Government.
"2do
Februarii, 1644.
"That we may make a right Use of the Information
your Lordships were pleased Yesterday to afford us, in
Debate, upon the Questions proposed by us concerning
the Propositions in your Lordships Paper annexed, for
the future Government of the Church, and so have
some Understanding of that Government intended by
your Lordships in the Place of that you propose to be
abolished; we desire to receive your Lordships Answer
in Writing, whether these short Collections upon the
Debate Yesterday be the Sum of your Lordships Information upon the Questions formerly proposed by us.
"We conceive that the Information given to us in
Debate by your Lordships, to the Questions we proposed to you in Writing, was,
"1. That the Congregational Assemblies consist of
the Ministers and Ruling Elders.
"2. That the Classical Assemblies consist of many
Congregational Assemblies.
"3. That the Provincial Assemblies are constituted
of the several Classical Assemblies.
"4. That all these Congregational, Classical, and Provincial Assemblies together constitute a National
Assembly.
"5. That the Authority and Jurisdiction of these
several Assemblies shall be settled by Parliament.
"And if your Lordships have any Thing else to inform
us concerning this Government, we do desire to receive
the same from your Lordships.
"Exam'r,
"By Command of His Majesty's
Commissioners.
"John Thurloe Secretary.
"Daniel Earle Secretary.
"Wm. Dugdale.
"Nic. Oudart."
Letter from the Commissioners for the Treaty, with an Account of their Proceedings.
"For the Right Honourable the Lord Grey of
Werke, Speaker of the House of Peers pro
Tempore.
"My Lord,
"We herewith present unto you the Business of Saturday, being the Second Day for the Treaty on the
Propositions concerning Religion: The several Papers
are figured, in Order as they were delivered: In the
First, you will perceive a Declaration of the Persons
sent from His Majesty, whereto we shall expect your
Pleasure. In the Sixth, their Desires are, to know if
we have received Instructions, concerning Answers to
His Majesty's Propositions; to which, as to the Papers
formerly sent, we will give further Answers, according
as we shall receive your Directions. We desire to know
what Answer we shall give to the Seventh Paper.
"Your Lordships Faithful and humble Servants,
Uxbridge, Feb. (fn. *) 2, 1644.
"A. Northumberland.
Pembroke & Mount.
"Salisbury.
B. Denbigh."
Another Letter from them, with a further Account; and to desire a Dispatch of the Directory for Church Government.
"To the Right Honourable the Lord Grey of
Werke, Speaker of the House of Peers pro
Tempore.
"My Lord,
"Since the closing up of our Letter of what passed
upon Saturday, we have this Night very late received
Two Papers from them, which we herewith send, and
with them Two other Papers we had formerly received,
One of them with some Queries, together with our
Answer, which we did not think fit to send before we
knew if they would rest satisfied with what was
delivered by us in Answer to their Questions, by
Way of Conference; and we humbly leave it to the
Wisdom of the House, to consider if it may not be
necessary to dispatch what remains behind of the Directory of Church Government, that we may able to
inform them of all such Particulars as they may
seem to doubt of, concerning the Model of a Presbyterian Government.
"Your Lordship's Humble and faithful Servants,
Uxbridge, Febru. 2 12 a Clock at Night.
"A. Northumberland. B. Denbigh.
Pembroke & Mount."
Ordinance for the Commissioners of the Excise to reimburse themselves 14,000l. advanced for the Ld. General's and Sir W. Waller's Armies, &c.
"Whereas John Towse Esquire, Alderman of the
City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners
of Excise and new Impost, for several pressing Occasions of the Kingdom, have advanced the several
Sums of Money hereafter mentioned; that is to say,
Six Thousand Pounds for the Use of the Lord General the Earl of Essex's Army, to be paid to Sir
Gilbert Gerrard Baronet, Treasurer at Wars; Four
Thousand Pounds for the Use of Sir William Waller's
Army, to be paid to John Trenchard Esquire; Two
Thousand Pounds for the Garrison of Gloucester, to
be paid to Nathaniell Steevens or Thomas Hodges
Esquires; One Thousand Pounds for Colonel Norton's
Regiment, to be paid to Robert Phillips Gentleman;
and Fifteen Hundred Pounds for Colonel Ashton's Regiment, to be paid to Mr. Thomas Stone and Mr.
James Waynewright; being in all Fourteen Thousand
Five Hundred Pounds: Be it Ordained, by the Lords
and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the said
Commissioners of Excise shall and may reimburse
themselves the said Fourteen Thousand Five Hundred
Pounds, together with Interest for the same after the
Rate of Eight per Cent. for so long Time as the same,
or any Part thereof, shall be forborn, out of such
Intervals of Receipts as shall happen when other
Payment already assigned upon the Office of Excise
shall not happen to fall due; or otherwise, for Default of such Intervals, then as the same shall follow
in Course; and shall not, by any other Order or Ordinance of One or both Houses of Parliament, be
debarred from satisfying and reimbursing themselves
accordingly; the several and respective Receipts of
the said several and respective Persons formerly mentioned, and appointed to receive the said Fourteen
Thousand Five Hundred Pounds in Five particular
Sums, shall be particular and sufficient Discharges to
the said Commissioners of Excise in that Behalf."
Ordinance to continue the One for the Excise.
"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and
Commons in Parliament, That the Ordinance concerning the Receipts and Commissioners of Excise,
passed both Houses on Wednesday last, the 29th of this
present January, 1644, shall be enlarged, and continue in Force, in the same Manner it now is, until
the 11th of September, which shall be in the Year of
our Lord 1646."
Ordinance for an Allowance for the Minister of Okingham.
"Whereas there is no Vicarage belonging to the
Parish Church of Wokingham, in the County of Berks
and Wilts, the Rectory of the same Church being
impropriated to the Dean and Chapter of Salisbury,
and, at a small Rent reserved, leased out by the said
Dean and Chapter, for Term of Life, to Henry
Barker Gentleman, whose Estate, and amongst other
Things the said Rectory, was lately sequestered by the
Committee appointed by Parliament for Sequestrations in the County of Berks, for the Delinquency of
the said Henry Barker; and forasmuch as the Inhabitants of the Town and Parish of Wokingham, having
formerly maintained a Preaching Minister amongst
them for the most Part by their voluntary Contributions, but at the present are not only destitute
of a Minister, but disabled to provide any, by reason
of the extreme Poverty they are reduced to, by the
many Quarterings, Plunderings, and Burning of their
Houses by the Enemy, and long Visitation of Sickness amongst them: The Lords and Commons, taking
their distressed Condition into serious Consideration,
have Ordered, and be it Ordained, by the said Lords
and Commons, That One Hundred Pounds per Annum
be allowed, out of the Tithes and Profits of the said
Rectory, for the comfortable Maintenance of a Preaching Minister in the said Church; and the said Committee of Sequestrations for the said County of Berks
are desired to take it into their Care, that a godly and
painful Minister be speedily provided, to officiate the
Cure there; and are hereby authorized to pay unto
such Minister the said Stipend of One Hundred Pounds
per Annum, out of the Tithes and Profits of the said
Rectory."
Adjourn.
House adjourned till 3a post meridiem.
Post meridiem.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Dr. Gouge.
Ds. Gray de Warke, Speaker.
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L. General.
Comes Kent.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Manchester.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Stanford.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Admiral. |
Ds. North.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Wharton. |
Earl of Northumberland's House, &c. at Petworth, to be preserved from Molestation.
The House being this Day informed, "That a Lodge
of the Earl of Northumberland's, at Petworth, in the
County of Sussex (being in the Keeping of Mr. Payler,
a Gentleman of the said Earl's), hath been lately
pillaged and plundered, by some of the Soldiers under the Commander in Chief near Farnham, employed in the Service for the West: It is Ordered,
by the Lords in Parliament assembled, That the Mansion-house, Houshold-stuff, and Furniture, of the said
Earl of Northumberland's, at Petworth aforesaid,
and all other his Mansion-houses, with all the Outhouses belonging thereunto, together with all Lodges,
Parks, Pales, and Deer, of the said Earl's, are hereby
protected, and saved harmless, from the Violence of
any Soldiers, or other Person whatsoever; neither
shall there be any Seizure or Distress of them, or any
of them, without the Privity or Licence of this House
first had and obtained; and hereof all Persons are
hereby enjoined to take Notice, and obey the same
accordingly, as they will answer the contrary at their
Perils."
Commander of the Forces near Farnham, to send up Delinquents who have plundered it.
The House being this Day informed, "That a Lodge
of the Earl of Northumberland's, at Petworth (in the
Keeping of Mr. Payler), hath been plundered by
some Soldiers quartered near Farnham, in the County
of Sussex: It is Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament assembled, That the Commander in Chief of
the said Forces, being employed in the Service of the
West, shall examine who are the Persons that plundered
the said Lodge; and, having found them, shall send
them up to the Lords in Parliament, to be proceeded
against as the Cause shall deserve; and that such
Goods as can be recovered shall be restored, and a
strict Command given, that the like Plunder shall not
be made hereafter."
Message from the H. C. with a Declaration, that no Proposition shall be binding if the Treaty breaks off.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Christofer Yelverton Knight and Baronet:
To let their Lordships know, that they having understood, by a Dispatch from their Commissioners, that
the Commissioners of the King have made a Declaration,
that nothing shall be binding in case the Treaty break
off; and our Commissioners desiring Direction what
Answer to give, the House of Commons have drawn
up an Answer to be sent them, wherein they desire their
Lordships Concurrence.
Read, and Agreed to.
"Resolved, &c.
"That the Commissioners of both Houses may declare, that what shall be delivered in Writing upon
any Proposition, or upon any Part of a Proposition,
is not to be binding or prejudicial to either Party, if
the Treaty break off upon any other Proposition or
Part of any Proposition."
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House agrees to this Declaration now
brought up.
Message to the H. C. with the Papers received from the Commissioners at Uxbridge.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:
To deliver the Papers this Day received from the
Commissioners at Uxbridge to them; and desire that the
Papers may be referred to the Committee of Lords
and Commons that sit at Derby House, to consider and
offer to the Houses what they think fit to be done upon
them; and to desire that the said Committee may meet
this Night, that so the Houses may have an Account
To-morrow Morning.
Message from thence, that they agree to the Instructions to be sent them.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir William Lewis Knight:
To let their Lordships know, that they agree in the
Instructions sent down to them, to be sent to the Commissioners at Uxbridge, what answer to give to the King's
Propositions.
"Instructions for the Committees of both Houses
of the Parliament of England, and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland, respectively agreed upon.
Instructions for the Commissioners from both Houses, appointed to treat with the King's Commissioners at Uxbridge.
"To the First:
"You shall answer, They can make it appear, that
what Part of His Majesty's Revenue hath been received by both Houses of the Parliament of England,
hath been employed for the Safety of the Kingdom,
and His Majesty's Honour; and shall leave His Revenue to His Majesty for the future; and you shall
likewise propound to His Majesty, That He will restore what hath been taken to His Use upon any of
the Bills assigned to other Purposes by several Acts
of Parliament, or out of the Provision made for the
War of Ireland.
"And you shall answer, That the Magazines, Towns,
Forts, and Ships, (fn. *) are to be settled according to
the Fifteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Propositions.
"To the Second:
"You shall answer, When it can be made to appear
that any Thing hath been done or published contrary
to the known Laws of the Land, or derogatory to
His Majesty's legal and known Power and Rights,
Answer shall be thereunto given, agreeable with
Justice.
"To the Third:
"You shall answer, That both Houses of Parliament
have exercised no Power over His Majesty's Subjects,
in their Persons or Estates, but what hath been done
in Preservation of Religion and their Liberties, whereunto they have been necessitated by an Army raised
against the Parliament and Kingdom.
"To the Fourth:
"You shall give for Answers, the Matters contained in the Propositions concerning Religion, and
in the Votes and Resolutions passed both Houses in
Pursuance of the same.
"To the Fifth:
"You shall give for Answers, the Matters contained
in the Fourteenth Proposition; and the Trial of Persons excepted out of the General Pardon to be by
both Houses of Parliament of England, and the
Estates of the Parliament of Scotland, respectively.
"To the Sixth:
"You shall Answer, That to His Majesty's Proposition
for the Cessation of Arms, and a Free Trade, it shall
be taken into Consideration in Time convenient.
"If the Houses of Parliament be satisfied in the good
Progress of the Treaty upon the Propositions concerning Religion, the Militia, and for Ireland, they
will give Time for the Treaty upon the Propositions
by His Majesty."
Answer from the H. C.
The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return
with this Answer:
That the House of Commons will send an Answer
by Messengers of their own.
Mr. Love to be attached, for his Sermon preached at Uxbridge.
Ordered, &c. That Colonel Venn shall, upon Sight
hereof, deliver Mr. Love into the Custody of the Gentleman Usher of this House, or his Deputy, to be brought
up in Safety before the Lords in Parliament, to answer
such Things as he stands charged with; and that the said
Colonel do assist the said Gentleman Usher and his
Deputy, in the Performance of this Order.
Mrs. Nicholson's Petition, for a Maintenance out of the Living of Stapleford Tawney.
Upon reading the Petition of Mary Nicholson this
Day in the House; "desiring to have the Fifth Part of
her Husband's Estate allowed for her Maintenance,
according to the Ordinance of Parliament, he being
sequestered by a Judgement of this House, dated the
29th April, 1643; and Daniell Joyner, the now Incumbent, put then into his Parsonage of Stapleford
Tawney, in the County of Essex, who hath received
the Profits thereof ever since:"It is Ordered,
by the Lords in Parliament assembled (who conceive it
most just that she should be relieved according to the
said Ordinance), That the said Petitioner be specially
recommended to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Sequestrations, to have the Fifth Part of her
Husband's Estate, together with the Arrearages, after
the said Proportion, since the Time of the said Sequestration, according to the said Ordinance of Parliament.
Cropley's Suit against Sir Ed. Leech, in The Petty Bag, stayed.
Whereas Complaint was this Day made unto this
House, "That Sir Edward Leech Knight, One of the
Masters of the Chancery, an Assistant of this House, is
sued in The Petty Bagg, by one Edward Cropley, upon
a Bond of Two Thousand Pounds, for Payment of
One Thousand Forty Pounds, which is affirmed to be
the proper Debt of the Right Honourable the Earl
of Leicester:" It is Ordered, That the said Cropley,
and his Attornies and Solicitors, do stay all further
Proceedings in the said Suit, until the Pleasure of this
House be further signified.