DIE Sabbati, 14 die Junii.
PRAYERS, by Dr. Smyth.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Answer from the H. C.
Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer
from the House of Commons:
That they agree with their Lordships in the Exchange of the Prisoners; as concerning the Ordinance
for the Vicarage of Plymouth, they will send an Answer
by Messengers of their own.
Message to them, with the Petition of the Scots Officers.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page:
To deliver the Petition of the Scotts Officers to them,
and desire that some speedy Course may be taken for
Devereux to be Parson of Gateside.
Upon reading the Petition of Jonathan Devereux,
Clerk: It is Ordered, That he be presented to the
Parsonage of Gateside, in the County and (fn. *) Bishopric of
Mr. Murray's Sequestration stayed.
Upon reading the Petition of Mrs. Katherine Murray,
Wife of Wm. Murray Esquire: It is Ordered, by the
Lords in Parliament assembled, That the Petition is
hereby (fn. †) committed to the Committee of Lords and
Commons for Sequestrations, to be speedily heard, as
formerly the same was by Order of the House of Commons; and do order, that all Proceedings upon the
said Sequestration do rest, and be stayed, until the Business be determined by the said Committee of Lords
and Commons; and that all Committees and Sub-committees, and other Persons whatsoever whom it concerns, are to obey this Order, as they will answer the
contrary to this House.
Lindsey, sued by Jackson, for releasing Dunkley.
Upon reading the Petition of James Linsey, Keeper of
The Marshalsey; complaining, "That he having released one Wm. Dunkley, a Trooper, by Warrant of
the Earl of Essex when he was Lord General, one
Startup Jackson hath commenced a Suit in the King's
Bench against the Petitioner, for releasing the said
Parties sent for.
It is Ordered, That the Petitioner and Startup
Jackson do appear before this House, that so it may
clearly be seen upon what Ground the Suit is commenced.
Captain Trelawney's Petition, to be freed from an Arrest.
Upon reading the Petition of Captain Edw. Trelawny; shewing, "That he, being in actual Service of the
Parliament, is laid up in Newgate, upon an Execution; therefore desires, in regard many Arrears are
owing to him from the Parliament, that he may be
released by a Habeas Corpus, that so he may return
to his Charge in the Army."
It is Ordered, To be referred to the Earl of Bolingbrooke, Earl of Kent, and the Lord Roberts, to examine whether the Petitioner be in actual Service of
the Parliament, and what Arrears are due to him; and
to report the same to this House.
Ordinance for the Northern Association.
The Ordinance for the Northern Association, was
read Twice, and Ordered to be committed to the
Committee of the whole House, to be taken into Consideration on Monday Morning next.
Answer from the H. C.
Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer:
That they have delivered to the House of Commons
the Petition of the Scottish Commissioners.
Lord Say's Relation of the Negotiation of the Sub-committee of both Kingdoms.
This Day the Lord Viscount Say & Seale delivered
in a Relation in Writing, concerning the Business of
the Sub-committee of both Kingdoms. (Here enter it.)
And it is Ordered, That the Committee for the
Business of the Lord Digbie's better may make Use of
this Relation as they shall see Cause.
Report concerning Lord Digby's Letter.
The Earl of Northumb. reported from the Committee concerning the Lord Digbye's Letter, "That, upon
the Examination of Mr. Cranford, One of the Scotch
Commissioners being named, the Committee thought
fit to report the same unto the Houses, and desire to
receive their Directions in it."
Scots Commissioners to be acquainted with it.
Ordered, That this House gives Liberty to the
Lords of this Committee, to acquaint the Scotch Commissioners with it.
Hilsley to be examined.
And also, that Mr. Hillsley may be examined, concerning some Discourse made unto him by Sir John
Maynard; and accordingly Mr. Hillsley was presently
sworn at the Bar, to be examined, according to the Desire of the Committee.
Burning Burleigh House, to be enquired into.
Ordered, That it is referred to the Committee of
both Kingdoms, to examine the Business of the burning
of Burleigh House, and forsaking that Garrison; and to
make Report thereof to this House.
Message to the H. C. about acquainting the Scots Commissioners concerning Lord Digby's Letter.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page:
To let them know, that this House hath given Liberty to the Lords of the Committee, to acquaint the
Scotch Commissioners concerning Mr. Bayly; and to desire that they would give the same Liberty to their
Members of that Committee, to do the like.
Lord Say & Seal's Relation of the Negotiation of the Sub-committee of both Kingdoms, for procuring the Delivery of some of the King's Garrisons, &c. to the Parliament.
(fn. *) While this Report was making, the First Order was found.
"When my Lord Savill came from Oxford, after he
had been examined, and given Satisfaction to the
Lords, and went at Liberty, he came to me, and told
me, "That, upon the breaking of the Treaty at Uxbridge, many were much exasperated against Digby,
and the other Counsellors, that they conceived were
(fn. *) the Cause thereof; and the Earl of Newport, before he came from Oxford, came to him, and willed
him to propose this to those that he thought fit
to intrust with it, That Colonel Goring, being infinitely incensed against the Lord Digby and others,
for the Disgrace put upon his Father in France, would
come over to the Parliament, and bring over those
Horse he commanded with him, upon Condition that
he and his Father might be well received; he expected not to be employed, but only with Favour to
enjoy their Liberties and Estates; and withall, when
this was done, Colonel Legg should deliver up Oxford
to the Parliament, both being agreed upon between
them:" He said also, "That (being come to the Parliament) he desired to make it appear that he came
with real Intentions to serve them to the utmost of
his Power; and therefore would do his best Endeavour to effect the Particulars abovesaid; for which,
they laid down the Way how they might receive
Security in what they desired; and, that being done,
the Time and Manner should presently be agreed
upon: Besides this, he said, he knew there was constant Intelligence given to Oxford, every Week, of
every Thing that was done in the Houses, or the
Committees, by One of the House of Commons;
and that himself had given Part of Three Pounds a
Week, which was given to One that brought the
Papers Weekly:" And he said, "That Digby, when
he did use to reckon up the Advantages they had on
their Side, was wont to add this above all the rest,
That he had a sure Card among themselves, who
never failed him in any Thing of Moment; and he
would endeavour to do his best, to discover these,
that he might do the Parliament Service." These
were his Overtures to me: To which I answered,
"That though this were such as, if they might be
effected, were likely at this Time to put an End to
all our Miseries, yet, how specious soever they were,
nothing of this Nature was to be meddled withall,
without Leave from the Committee of both Kingdoms; and therefore, if he were confident to do any
Good in these Particulars, and could be an Instrument
to do the Parliament so great a Service, I would offer
these Overtures to the Committee of both Kingdoms;
and, if they would appoint a Sub-committee to treat
with any that might be Instruments hereof, it might
then be proceeded in, otherwise not." He gave me
Thanks for giving him that Advertisement, which he
said he knew not, and might thereby have run himself
into Danger. I did move the Committee of both
Kingdoms in it; and they appointed a Sub-committee, to treat with any about delivering of any
considerable Garrison Town into the Parliament's
Hands, or drawing over any considerable Forces of
the King's to the Parliament's Side, or discovering
any Persons who gave Intelligence to Oxford. This
was entered by Mr. Cheislie (Mr. Frost being
otherwise employed) in a Paper by itself, which
Mr Cheisly affirmed (when it was called for) he had
put into the Box where the other Papers of Entries
were; but, when it was sought for, it could not be
found; wherefore the Committee was moved to appoint it to be entered by another Order, which was
done according to the former; and some Days after,
my Lord of Essex called to have the Order read;
and my Lord of Warwick moved, That some of the
Scotts Commissioners might be added, which was
done. After the First Order, my Lord Savill (as he
said) sent to the Party, to let him know, that what
was desired would be performed; and, upon Performance of their Part, Ten Thousand Pounds would
be given. He received a Note from Legg, "That
the Lord Newport had not fully instructed him in all
Particulars concerning that he wrote of; but he
would (fn. †) send to him, to receive more full Directions;
and he might assure himself, he should find him the
Man he took him for: This Note he shewed to me;
for I had told him, "That it was suspected, while he
pretended a Treaty upon these Particulars, he might
thereby make Advantage, to treat about other Propositions with other Persons:" And I told him, it
was liable to Suspicion. He thereupon protested
very deeply, "That he treated about nothing but
these, nor with any other; and said, he would receive the Sacrament upon it, that it was true; and
that he would willingly take the new Oath made for
those that came from Oxford;" which accordingly he
did take, and protested he would receive nothing from
Oxford but I should know of it, to prevent that Sus
picion; for of his Messengers, or Times of sending,
or of the Way of it, I knew nothing. The next
that I heard was this: My Lady Temple told me,
There came a Man, and brought a Letter to my
Lord Savile; she saw him deliver it sealed. He
called her into the Room, and said, "That he would
keep his Promise, and receive nothing from Oxford
but she should see; that I should know it when it
was opened:" It was in Cyphers; he began to decypher
it, and called her after he had decyphered some
(which was Compliment) and said, "Here is something." Then she saw him, as he decyphered, produce this: "Now, my Lord, I tell you a Secret of
all Secrets, which you must use only for Caution,
and reveal to none; Holles is the Man that keepeth
constant Intelligence, or Correspondency, (One of
those Words it was she told me) with Digby." My
Lady Temple told me, "She had told the same to Mr.
Solicitor, I being out of Town;" and my Lord Savile,
when I came back, told me the same, and said, "He
was sure it came from One who knew the Secrets of
the King's Breast, but would not name the Person."
I told him, "This was a Thing of a very tender Nature;
for, on the One Side, if this were a Truth, without
God did preserve us (almost by a Miracle), we must
needs be ruined, for all our secret Councils were discovered; on the other Side, if this should be taken
for a Proof against a Man, it would be in their
Power to ruin any Men here at their Pleasure; therefore, if there were Truth in it, if he could make it
out, so as it might have a sufficient Proof, it were a
great Service, considering how destructive it would be,
if true." He said, "He would use his best Endeavour."
After this, Oxford being besieged, I pressed him to
put it to an Issue; for I told him, the hanging of it
thus long would breed Jealousy, it being a Fortnight
or Three Weeks sometimes before I heard of any
Thing from him. All that I heard, I did from Time
to Time communicate to Mr. Solicitor and Mr. Crew;
and when the Scotch Commissioners were added, I
told my Lord Walleston first of the Particulars which
were the Subject of the Design; and told him, I
desired to attend my Lord Lowden and him some Afternoon, when we might more fully declare to them
the Persons and Particulars together. Having been
in the Country; after I came Home, the Siege being raised from Oxford, conceiving that nothing more
could be effected herein, we resolved to desire the
Committee might be dissolved, and did so; after which,
I received from my Lady Temple a Note (written to
her by my Lord Savile when I was in the Country),
wherein he shewed by what Means this Design was
overthrown; and affirmed, "That he was assured there
was a real Intention in it, if it had not unhappily
miscarried; and that, upon my sending to him that
he should desist, he would be sure to send no more
Messengers." I presently sent him Word, "That the
Committee was dissolved, and he must not send any
into the King's Quarters."
"This is all the Treaty that ever I knew any Thing
of; and I think, the Committee of both Kingdoms
being appointed by the Parliament to manage the
War, if, such Offers of so great Advantage to the
Parliament being made known to any One of the
Committee, he should not have acquainted the Committee with it, or they neglected to make Use of it
so far as to see if they might be effected, neither had
done their Duty."
House adjourned till 9a, Monday Morning next.