House of Lords Journal Volume 7
17 October 1645

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 17 October 1645', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 7: 1644 (1767-1830), pp. 646-647. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33423 Date accessed: 30 October 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 17 die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Dr. Burges.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Essex.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Kent.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Midd.
Comes Denbigh.
Ds. North.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Howard.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree in the Ordinance for the Almshouse at Taunton: (Here enter it.) And to Colonel Barrow to be Governor of Barckley Castle, and to Mr. Trefusis.

Consideration of the Votes brought up from the H. C. about the Proceedings of the Scots Army, &c.

This Day this House took into Consideration the Matter of the Conference with the House of Commons, concerning the Letters, Papers, and Votes, concerning the Scotch Business.

And it was objected, "That, by an Order of (fn. *) both Houses, of the 24th of October, 1644, what Doubts or Objections shall arise in either House, upon Consideration of any Thing propounded concerning the Scottish Armies in England or Ireland, the same shall be re-committed to the Committees of both Houses appointed to treat with the Scotts Commissioners, that, after Debate with the Scotts Commissioners, and full Understanding of their Meaning, the Results thereof may be reported to both Houses."

And it was debated, "Whether the Matter of the Papers and Letters should be communicated to the Scotch Commissioners by the Members of both Houses of the Committee of both Kingdoms, before any Determination of this House therein."

And this Question was desired to be put.

But this Question was put first,

"Whether those Words of the Ordinance, ["according to the Order of the 24th of October, 1644,"] shall be added to the Question?"

The Votes being equal, nothing was concluded.

Ordered, That the Business concerning the Letters and Votes concerning the Scotch, shall be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning.

The Earl of Northumb. reported from the Committee of both Kingdoms, a Letter from the Committee of Hampshire; which was read, as follows:

Letter from the Hampshire Committee, that Basing is taken by Storm; and desiring to meet with the Committee of Sussex, Berks, &c. to consider of their mutual Preservation.

"My Lords and Gentlemen,

"It hath pleased God to bestow a great Mercy upon this County, by delivering Basing by Storm out of the Enemy's Hands, with very little Loss on our Part, Thanks be to God. The Country is extremely obliged to the Parliament for their Allowance, and to Lieutenant General Cromwell for his Willingness, who with his Officers and Soldiers, behaved themselves most gallantly; and it must likewise be confessed, that Colonel Dulbeir hath, with his Party, behaved himself every Way like a brave Soldier; shewing both great Skill and Care in the Prosecution of this Business, having lost not above Five Men since the First Sittingdown.

"After giving the Lord Thanks for this our Deliverance, and yourself an Account, we are taking the Advice of the Chief Commanders here, how our Country may be in the best Way preserved; and we find it an Opinion without Contradicton, that the maintaining of a Frontier in Newbury, near Donington, is the best Way to streighten that Garrison, and to keep the Country the more entire; and that then there will be no Need of keeping the Inland Garrisons, so that the Countries will join together to make the Frontier the stronger; and we doubt not but Berckshire will be willing to give their Assistance towards so good a Work: And it is our humble Desire, that the several Committees of Berks, Hampshire, Surrey, and Sussex, may be appointed to meet, and debate what will be fit to be done for the Benefit of the said Counties, and to have Leave to present the Result to the Parliament, and to receive such Directions thereupon as to their Wisdoms shall be most agreeable. So, humbly taking our Leave, we rest,

"My Lords and Gentlemen,

"Your humble Servants,

Basingstoke, the 14th of October, 1645.

"Jo. Bulkley.
Tho. Jervoise.
Jo. Feilder.
Ro. Wallop.
Ric. Moore.
Nic. Love."

"For the Right Honourable the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Ordered, That this Letter be communicated to the House of Commons.

Message to the H. C. with it; and a Dep. Lieut's Name for Norff.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

To desire their Concurrence in making Sir John Sidley a Deputy Lieutenant of the County of Norff.

2. To communicate to them the Letter of the Committee of Hampshire, concerning the Taking of Basing House.

L. Campden committed to the Black Rod; and to have a Pass for his Wife, &c. to come to Kensington.

The House was informed, "That the Lord Viscount Campden is come to London; and his Lady, Children, and Servants, and Goods, are coming."

Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Lord Viscount Campden, because he hath borne Arms against the Parliament, shall stand committed to the Custody of the Gentleman Usher attending this House, there to remain during the Pleasure of this House; and that a Pass shall be granted, for his Lady, Children, Servants and Goods, to be brought to Kensington, in the County of Midd.

Hawes's Cause.

Ordered, That the Cause of Ann Hawes, Widow, and the Governors of Christ's Hospitall, Plaintiffs, against Nicholas Hawes, shall be heard the 27th of October Instant.

L. Grey & al. and Finch & al.

Ordered, That the Cause between the Lord Grey, &c. Plaintiffs, against Francis Fynch, &c. Defendants, shall be heard the First of November next.

Sir J. Henderson to leave England.

Ordered, That the Gentleman Usher attending this House shall deliver the Order to Sir John Henderson, for his Departure.

Ordinance concerning the Almshouse at Taunton.

"Whereas Richard Hinsh, of The Black Fryers, London, Esquire, did, by his last Will and Testament, in or about the Month of January, 1615, give and dispose the Issues, Rents, and Profits, of all his Lands, Houses, and Tenements, in Black Fryers aforesaid, which were devised to several Persons, in Trust, and to and for the Maintenance of an Almshouse, in Taunton, in the County of Som'sett, called and known by the Name of Hinshe's Almeshouse, and Thirteen poor Men in the same, and for and towards the Maintenance of Five Scholars in One or both the Universities of Oxford or Cambridge, to each of the said Scholars Twenty Pounds by the Year; and whereas the Governors, Devisees, and Trustees, nominated by the said Richard Hinsh, are since dead, and such others as have been nominated according to the Directions in the said Will are in Arms against the Parliament, whereby that Charge and Trust is altogether neglected, and Provisions are not made for the Maintenance of the said Hospital, the Almshouses, and Scholars; neither is there any that can demand or receive and dispose the Rents, Issues, and Profits of the said Lands, Houses, and Tenements, to the Purpose and Uses aforesaid; the Tenants being in Arrear for Three, Four, or Five Years now last past, and do refuse to make Payment to any, their respective Rents: Be it therefore Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in this present Parliament, That Robert Earl of Warwick, Edward Earl of Manchester, William Viscount Say & Seale, Phillip Lord Wharton, Edward Lord Howard, Edward Prideaux, Roger Hill, Dennis Bond, Miles Corbett, John Gurdon, John Lisle, and Thomas Hodges, Esquires, being the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Advance of Monies at Habberdashers Hall, shall have Power, and are hereby authorized, to call before them the said Tenants and Receivers, their Executors, Administrators, and Assigns, and to require and compel them to make Payment of their respective Rents and the Arrearages of the same, and such other Monies and Duties as are due by all or any of them; and in case of Refusal, to cause that the same be levied by Distress or otherwise; and that they may use the like Power for Advance of the same, as in other Cases they do and may lawfully use for Advance of Monies; and that they have further the like Power as the said Governors, Devisees, or Trustees had, for the granting of Estates, and for the ordering and disposing of the said Issues, Rents, and Profits, of the said Lands, Houses, and Tenements; and that they see the Houses to be kept tenantable, and well and sufficiently repaired; and to do all and every such Act and Thing, to all Intents and Purposes, as they, the said Governors, Devisees, and Trustees, might have lawfully done, until other Order shall be taken by both Houses of Parliament."

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