House of Lords Journal Volume 7
17 November 1645

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 17 November 1645', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 7: 1644 (1767-1830), pp. 707-710. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33448 Date accessed: 25 July 2014.


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Die Lunæ, 17 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Case.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Essex.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Kent.
Comes Denbigh.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Midd.
Ds. North.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Robertes.

Paper concerning the Summer Fleet.

The Lord North reported from the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Admiralty a Paper, for the preparing of a Fleet for the next Summer: (Here enter it.) And it is Ordered, To be communicated to the House of Commons.

L. Falconbridge desires to compound.

Upon reading the Petition of Grace the Wife of Henry Bellasis Esquire, on Behalf of Thomas Lord Falconbridge; desiring "to have Liberty to compound for her Father in Law's Delinquency."

And it is Ordered, That she be left to apply herself to a proper Way, where Compositions are made for Delinquents.

Whinnell, for Words against L. Say & Seal.

This Day James Whinnell was brought to the Bar, as a Delinquent, for speaking scandalous Words against the Lord Viscount Say & Seale.

The Witnesses were produced, and sworn at this Bar; videlicet,

Moses Scotten deposed, "That he heard the said James Whinnell say, at the Excise-office at Leycester, presently after the Town of Leycester was taken, That my Lord Say had a chief Hand in betraying of the Town of Leycester; and that Colonel Vermuden had come (fn. *) Time enough to the Relief of Leycester, had it not been for my Lord Say, and that none of the Fiennes, nor my Lord Say; ever did any Good to the State."

Wm. Hall deposed, "That he heard the said James Whinnell say, at the Excise-office at Wisbich, presently after the Taking of Leycester, That the Town of Leycester had not been betrayed into the King's Hand, if the Lord Say would have let Colonel Vermuden go on to the Relief of it."

This being the Evidence; James Whinnell was demanded, what he could say for himself concerning this Charge; and he denied he spoke any such Words.

Hereupon this House adjudged,

Judgement against him.

"That the said James Whinnell, for this Offence,

1. Shall pay Fifty Pounds Fine to the King.

2. Shall pay One Hundred Pounds, for Damages, to the Lord Viscount Say & Seale.

3. That he shall stand committed to the Prison of The Fleete, during the Pleasure of this House.

4. That this Judgement be declared, within One Month, in the Town of Wisbich.

5. That he be put out of his Place and Office in the Excise, and out of all Committees."

The said James Whinnell was brought to the Bar; and the Speaker pronounced the said Judgement against him, he kneeling all the while.

Purefoy's Petition for an Employment, in Consideration of his Services.

Upon reading the Petition of Henry Purefoy, Gentleman; shewing, "That, about May-day last past, having private Intelligence and Notice that Leycester would be surprized and taken by the King's Forces, he, being much troubled with the imminent Danger of that his Native Country, immediately repaired to Leycester, and privately gave them timely Notice; and after, about the 13th of May, he also came to London, and gave Notice to Sir Arthur Hasilrigge, and others, of that and other His Majesty's Designs, as he hath made appear: Since which Time, it hath pleased God infinitely to afflict the Petitioner, by the Infection of the Plague, whereby he hath spent and been cozened of his whole Estate: Therefore he desires that some Office and Employment may be conferred upon him, whereby he may be able to subsist."

Ordered, That this be recommended to the House of Commons.

Message from the H. C. with Letters taken in the North;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Tate:

1. To communicate divers Letters to this House, which were taken in the North.

Ordered, To be read To-morrow.

for Col. Bethell to have 200l.

2. That the Sum of Two Hundred Pounds be freely bestowed upon Colonel Hugh Bethell, for his present Support, he being wounded in the Service of the Parliament; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies at Haberdashers Hall do forthwith pay the same accordingly.

Agreed to.

for the Messenger from Wiverton, 10l.

3. That the Sum of Ten Pounds shall be bestowed upon Wigfall, the Messenger that brought the Letter from Colonel Points, concerning the gaining of Wiverton Garrison, for his Pains; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies at Haberdashers Hall do pay the same accordingly.

Agreed to.

for Committees to be sent to Scotland;

4. To desire their Lordships Concurrence, to join with the House of Commons, in nominating a Committee, to go to the Parliament of Scotland.

Ordered, That this House nominates and appoints the Lord Mountague.

with Ordinances;

5. An Ordinance for Three Thousand One Hundred Ninety-one Pounds, Five Shillings, and Eight Pence, to be paid, out of the Excise, to the Waggoners. (Here enter it).

Agreed to.

6. An Ordinance to pay Two Thousand Five Hundred Pounds, out of the Excise, to Colonel Points. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

7. An Ordinance for One Thousand Pounds for Crowland. (Here enter it).

Agreed to.

8. An Ordinance for Six Thousand Pounds for Chester. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

and for Committees to consider of the Letters taken in the North.

9. To desire that their Lordships would nominate a Committee of Lords, and they will nominate a proportionable Commmittee of their House, to consider of these Letters now brought up.

E. Denbigh.
E. Sarum.
Comes Manchester.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Wharton.

Any Three, to meet on Wednesday next, in the Afternoon.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this (fn. *) House hath nominated One Lord, to join with a Committee of the House of Commons, to go to the Parliament in Scotland; that this House hath nominated a Committee of Seven Lords, to join with a proportionable Number of the House of Commons, to consider of the Letters now brought up; and to meet on Wednesday next, in the Afternoon: To all the rest of the Particulars, this House (fn. †) agrees.

Grove and Mills.

Ordered, That the Cause of Grove against Mylles shall be heard this Day Sevennight, at this Bar.

Sloper to be instituted to Broad Chalk, &c.

Ordered, That Sir Nath. Brent shall give Institution and Induction to John Sloper Clerk, and Master of Arts, being presented by King's Colledge, in Cambridge, to the Vicarage of Broad Chalke, with the Chapels of Burr-chalke and Alveston, in the County of Wilts.

Die Sabbati, 15 Novembris, 1645.

At the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Admiralty and Cinque Ports.

Paper from the Committee for the Admiralty, about preparing the next Summer's Fleet.

Whereas the Season of the Year adviseth a speedy Resolution for preparing the next Summer's Guard; and whereas, upon a former Desire from this Committee touching the Proportion of Assignments for the next Year's Fleet, Report is this Day made (fn. ‡) from the Committee of (fn. *) the Navy, That the Monies assigned for the Navy arise from the Receipts of Customs, the Excise of Flesh and Salt, and Prizes; the Profits of all which are uncertain, and the last proving of late inconsiderable: Yet that they are of Opinion, That, if Trade continue without greater Interruption, and that the Customs of the several Ports appropriated to the Navy may not be diverted for Maintenance of Garrisons or Land Service, there may be probably maintained a Fleet of Ships, for guarding of the Sea the next Summer, answerable to the same Proportion that was this present Year. Now, upon Consideration and Debate of the Matter, this Committee conceives it fit that a Fleet be prepared for the next Summer's Guard, proportionable to the last Summer's Fleet; and that Provision of Victuals be made for Four Thousand Men for Eight Months, for the Manning of the said Fleet; which Opinion of this Committee is to be reported to both Houses of Parliament, to be by them approved of, if they shall see Cause; together with this Committee's Desire, That the Customs of the several Ports appropriated to the Use of the Navy may not be diverted for Maintenance of Garrisons or Land Service; and that Order may be issued to the Victualers of the Navy, for providing the said Proportion of Victuals for Four Thousand Men; and if there shall arise any extraordinary Occasion to increase the Number of Ships, further Address is hereafter to be made to the Parliament, for an extraordinary Supply: In the mean Time, this Committee, with the Advice of the Committee of the Navy, will take Care and give Order to the respective Officers of the Navy, for preparing, furnishing, and setting forth to Sea, such a Fleet as is above mentioned, if the Parliament shall so think fit.

By Command of the said Committee.

"W. Jesop, Secretary."

Order for 3191l. 5s. 8d. for the Waggoners.

"Whereas, by Ordinance of the 22th of October last, Three Thousand One Hundred Ninety-one Pounds, Five Shillings, and Eight Pence, together with Interest for the same, was charged in Course on the Receipts of the Excise, by Ordinance of 11th September, 1643, to be paid unto Alderman John Foulke, Alderman John Langham, or either of them, to be by them issued forth, upon Accompt, to divers Waggoners employed by the City in several Expeditions upon Service of the State; and whereas the Committee of the Militia were desired to advance the same, to be secured and re-paid out of the Receipts of the Excise as aforesaid, for Supply of the Necessities of the said Waggoners, which being such as will admit of no Delay; and the said Committee returning Answer, that they are in no Capacity at present to advance the same as was desired: It is therefore, for the better Accommodation and speedier Relief of the said Waggoners, further Ordained and Declared, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the said Three Thousand One Hundred Ninety-one Pounds, Five Shillings, and Eight Pence, together with Interest for the same, ordained to be paid in Course as aforesaid, be paid unto Thomas Richardson Waggon-master General, for the Use and Purpose aforesaid, in the Stead and Place of the before-mentioned Alderman; and his Receipt to be the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being their sufficient Discharge in that Behalf; and that, if any well-affected Person or Persons shall consent to a present Advance of the said Three Thousand One Hundred Ninety-one Pounds, Five Shillings, and Eight Pence, or any Part thereof, for the Use aforesaid, by Way of Loan, that every such Person and Persons shall be paid the several and respective Sum or Sums which he or they shall so advance, out of the said Receipts of the Excise, by Ordinance of the 11th of September, 1643, together with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum per Annum, for so long Time as the same, or any Part thereof, shall be forborn, in such Order and Course as the said Ordinance of the 22th of October last shall succeed and take Place; and the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being are hereby authorized and required to make Payment of the same accordingly; and the Receipt of the said Thomas Richardson, hereby likewise appointed to receive such Sum or Sums as shall be advanced for the Use aforesaid, testifying the particular and respective Sum or Sums so lent, together with the particular and respective Receipts of the Person or Persons lending and advancing the same, shall be a sufficient Discharge unto the said Commissioners of Excise, and every of them, for the said Three Thousand One Hundred Ninety-one Pounds, Five Shillings, and Eight Pence, and Interest, and every Part and Parcel thereof."

Order for the Commissioners of Excise to re-pay themselves 2500l. advanced to Col. Points.

"Whereas Thomas Foote Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost, have advanced and lent the Sum of Two Thousand Five Hundred Pounds, Part of Five Thousand Pounds appointed, by Ordinance of the Seventh of October, 1645, for the Forces under the Command of Major General Poynts: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Commissioners of Excise, their Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, shall be satisfied, paid, and reimbursed, the said Two Thousand Five Hundred Pounds Principal, at the End or Expiration of Twenty Months next after the Date hereof, which will happen to be at or upon the 15th of August, Anno Dom. 1647, out of the general Receipts of the Excise, first settled by Ordinance of Parliament dated the 11th of September, 1643: And in the Interim, until the said Two Thousand Five Hundred Pounds Principal become due and fully paid, be it further Ordained, by the said Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Commissioners of Excise shall and may pay and reimburse unto themselves, during the Time they shall remain Commissioners, and that they, their Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, shall be paid and reimbursed, by the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being, the Interest for the said Two Thousand Five Hundred Pounds, at the End of every Six Months; and the Residue of the Interest, together with the Principal, upon the 15th of August, 1647, aforesaid; for all which several Payments of Principal and Interest, at the Times before mentioned, this Ordinance shall be a sufficient Authority, as well to the present Commissioners of Excise, as the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being, for Payment thereof: And it is further Ordained, That the said Two Thousand Five Hundred Pounds shall be paid by the said Commissioners of Excise unto Colonel General Points, or Henry Darley Esquire, whose Receipt or Receipts shall be their and every of their Discharge for all and every Part thereof."

Order for 1000l. for Crowland Garrison.

"Whereas the Fifty Pounds per Week, charged on the Receipts of the Excise, by Ordinance of the 12th of August last, for the Garrison of Crowland, to commence the 23th of April last, by reason of the great Anticipations of those Receipts, could by no Means be satisfied and paid according to the Purport and Intent of the said Ordinance: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of One Thousand Pounds (being so much as the Fifty Pounds per Week intended to be paid as aforesaid, reckoned from the said 23th of April to the Ninth of September, amounteth unto) be paid in Course, out of the Receipts of the Excise, by Ordinance of the 11th of September, 1643, unto the Governor of the said Garrison of Crowland for the Time being, for the Use and Service thereof; whose Receipt, or of his Assignee sufficiently by him authorized thereunto, shall be the Commissioners of Excise their sufficient Discharge in that Behalf: And if any well-affected Person or Persons shall consent to a present Advance of the said One Thousand Pounds, or any Part thereof, by Way of Loan, for the better Supply of the said Garrison; be it further Ordained, by Authority aforesaid, That every such Person shall be satisfied and reimbursed the several respective Sum or Sums so by him or them advanced as aforesaid, together with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum, for so long Time as the same, or any Part thereof, shall be forborn, out of the Receipts of the Excise as aforesaid, next after Assignments already made on those Receipts shall be first satisfied; and the Receipt of the Governor of the said Garrison, or of his Assigns (hereby appointed to receive the said Sum or Sums of such as shall advance the same), testifying the particular and respective Loans, together with the particular and respective Receipt or Receipts of the Person or Persons lending and advancing the same, shall be a sufficient Discharge unto the said Commissioners of Excise, and every of them, for the said One Thousand Pounds, and Interest, and every Part and Parcel thereof."

Ordinance for 6000l. for Chester.

"Whereas, by Ordinance of the 13th of October last past, the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost are enabled and authorized to make Payment of the Sum of Ten Thousand Pounds, Principal and Interest, out of the Receipts of the Excise and new Impost, as the same shall fall in Course, unto the several and respective Persons that shall advance and lend the said Sum, or any Part thereof, being assigned to the Use of the Forces employed against Chester, by Ordinance of the 29th of September last past, and the respective Interest of the said Ten Thousand Pounds, or such Part thereof as shall be so advanced and lent, at each Six Months End, until the whole Sum of, with the remaining Interest, shall become payable as aforesaid; and whereas divers well-affected Persons of the City of London have, upon the said Ordinances of the 13th of October and 29th of September, consented to advance Six Thousand Pounds, Part of the said Ten Thousand Pounds, for the Service aforesaid: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That all and every the said Person and Persons, so advancing and lending the Six Thousand Pounds as aforesaid, shall bring in and pay the respective Sums of Money by them or any of them lent, unto Thomas Adams now Lord Mayor of the City of London, Sir John Wollaston Knight, John Warner and Thomas Andrewes Esquires, Aldermen of the same City, and the rest of the Treasurers at Wars; whose Receipt, or the Receipt of any Two of them, or any Two of the Treasurers at War, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Assurance unto the several and respective Lenders of the said Six Thousand Pounds, or any Part thereof, to demand and receive their Principal and Interest, as is hereafter further provided; and the said Lord Mayor and Aldermen, and Treasurers at War, before named and mentioned, are hereby authorized to pay over all such Monies as they shall receive by virtue of this Ordinance unto John Bradshawe Esquire, and Richard Worrall Gentleman, appointed by the aforesaid Ordinance of the 29th of September to receive the same, for the Use of the said Forces; whose Receipt, or of any One of them, shall be again a sufficient Discharge to the said Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Treasurers at War, and every of them, for all or so much of the said Six Thousand Pounds as they shall pay, or cause to be paid, unto them the said John Bradshawe and Richard Worrall, or any of them: And be it further Ordained, by the Lords and Commons aforesaid, That the Receipt or Receipts of the said Thomas Adams Lord Mayor, Sir John Wollaston, John Warner, and Thomas Andrewes, or any Two of them, or any Two of the said Treasurers at War, testifying the several and respective Sums which the several Persons aforesaid have so advanced and lent, together with the respective Acquittances of the said several Persons lending, shall be a sufficient Authority and Discharge unto the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being, and every of them, for Payment both of the Interest of the said several Sums at the End of every Six Months, and the Principal and remaining Interest when the same shall become payable in Course as aforesaid."

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