House of Lords Journal Volume 8
3 January 1646

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 3 January 1646', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 8: 1645-1647 (1767-1830), pp. 80-82. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33924 Date accessed: 16 September 2014.


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DIE Saturni, 3 die Januarii.

PRAYERS, by

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Essex.
Comes Kent.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Pembrooke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Suff.
Comes Nottingham.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Mountague.

Browne to be instituted to Roos.

Ordered, That Doctor Aylett do give Institution and Induction to Edward Browne, Minister, to the Parsonage of Roos, in the County of Yorke, being presented thereunto by Elizabeth the last Countess Dowager of Exon.

A Paper was presented from the Committee of both Kingdoms; which was read;

"Die Jovis, 4 Decembris, 1645.

"At the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Propositions from Captain Morgan and Sir Frevor Williams, for reducing Monmouth, Glamorgan, &c.

"Ordered, That it be reported to both Houses, That there were certain Propositions made to this Committee by Captain Morgan, on the Behalf of Sir Trevor Williams and himself, concerning the reducing of Monmouthshire, Glamorganshire, &c. whereupon this Committee entered into the Engagements with the said Captain Morgan, which are expressed in a Letter to Colonel Massie then Governor of Gloucester, a Copy whereof is under-written; and to desire the Houses that some Course may be taken, that the said Engagements may be satisfied."

"To Colonel Massie.

Letter to Colonel Massie, to assist them.

"SIR,

"We are informed by Mrs. Morgan, that Sir Trevor Williams and Captain Anthony Morgan do undertake to deliver the Counties of Monmouth and Glamorgan, and Garrisons therein, into the Parliament's Power, if they may have some present Assistance from you to countenance that Work. They desire that Captain Anthony Morgan may have a Regiment of Horse, and that Sir Trevor Williams may have some Commands of Honour and Trust in those Counties, when they shall be reduced, which, upon the effecting of so great a Service, we think very reasonable. We recommend it to you, to give them what Assistance you can with Safety, and as may stand with your other Occasions, if, upon Intelligences held with these Gentlemen, you shall find Probability of Success in so great a Design. We leave the managing of this Business to your Prudence, and are content you improve it to the best Advantage of the Public."

Darby House, 18 Martii, 1644.

Sir T. Williams to command in Monmouth, and Captain Morgan to have a Regiment.

This House Ordered, That Sir Trevor Williams shall have the Command of the Forces in the County of Monmouth; and that Captain Anthony Morgan shall speedily have a Regiment, for the Service of the Kingdom, and especially for the Service of Wales; and the Concurrence of the House of Commons to be desired herein.

Answer to the King's Letters.

The Earl of Northumb. reported a Draught of a Letter to be sent to the King, in Answer to the Messages from the King of the 26th and 29th of Dec.; which was drawn up by the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, with the Advice (fn. *) of the Scotts Commissioners: Which being read, this House approved of it, and Ordered to be communicated to the House of Commons, and their Concurrence desired therein.

Message from the H. C. for a Day of Humiliation.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Robert Harley Knight, &c.

To desire Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. That, to the End we may have God's Assistance in the finishing and settling of this great Work of Church Government, Wednesday Sevennight be appointed and set apart for a Day of Humiliation, for both Houses of Parliament and the Assembly of Divines, to seek God for His Directions therein: The Place, the House of Commons (fn. †) leave to their Lordships to appoint.

Ordered, That this House agrees both for the Matter and the Time; and appoints St. Martyn's Church in the Feilds.

with Persons Names to preach on that Day;

2. That Mr. Jeremiah Whittacre and Mr. Stephen Marshall be desired to preach before both Houses and the Assembly of Divines on Wednesday Sevennight; being an especial Day of Humiliation, set apart to seek God, for His Direction in the settling of this great Work of Church Government.

Agreed to.

that they agree to Bond's Ordinance;

3. To let their Lordships know, that they agree in the Ordinance for making Mr. Bond Master of The Savoy. (Here enter it.)

and with Orders, &c.

4. An Order to pay Two Hundred Pounds to Colonel Thompson, &c. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

5. An Order to confirm the Articles of Wareham. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

6. An Order for One Hundred and Fifty Pounds per Annum for the Ministers of Hull, &c. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That concerning the Order touching the Fast, this House will send an Answer by Messengers of their own: To all the rest of this Message, their Lordships (fn. ‡) agree.

Stapleton's Cause.

Ordered, That Mrs. Stapilton's Cause, heard by this House, shall be taken into Consideration on Tuesday next.

Message to the H. C. with the Answer to the King's Letters;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath:

To communicate the Draught of the Letter to be sent to the King, and desire their Concurrence therein.

and that the Lords agree to the Day of Humiliation.

2. To let them know, that their Lordships do agree to keep a Day of Humiliation on Wednesday Sevennight, for to desire God's Assistance in the Matter of Church Government; and the Place their Lordships have appointed to be Martyn Church in the Fields.

Steward and De Franchi.

Ordered, That this House will hear the Counsel of Mr. Walter Steward and Nicholas Di Franchi on Tuesday next, in the Afternoon, concerning the Proceedings in the Courts of Admiralty and Delegates.

Message from the H. C. for Sir E. Monings to be Sheriff of Kent;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight &c.

1. To desire Concurrence, that Sir Edw. Monings Baronet be nominated to be High Sheriff of the County of Kent; and that the Commissioners of the Great Seal do grant him [ (fn. *) a Commission] for Sheriff, in Form usual.

Agreed to.

for Mr. Strong to be of the Assembly;

2. That Mr. Stronge be added to the Assembly of Divines.

Agreed to.

and to sit a while.

3. To desire their Lordships would please to sit a while.

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will sit a while; and they do agree to the rest of the Particulars of this Message.

Ordinance for Bond to be Master of The Savoy.

"Whereas, by an Ordinance of the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, bearing Date the Seventh of June, 1645, Walter Balcanquall Doctor in Divinity was deprived, amoved, and discharged, from being Master of the Hospital of The Savoy, and John Bond Batchelor of the Laws, then Minister of The Savoy, was nominated and appointed Master of the perpetual Hospital of The Savoy aforesaid; to have and to hold the same in as full and ample Manner, and to be esteemed Master of The Savoy aforesaid, to all Intents and Purposes, as if he had been chosen by the Chaplains of the said perpetual Hospital of The Savoy: The said Lords and Commons do hereby Order and Ordain, That the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England do pass a Patent under the said Great Seal, in usual Form, unto the said John Bond, of the Mastership of The Savoy aforesaid; to have, hold and enjoy the same, with the Profits, Benefits, and Advantages thereunto belonging, during his Life, as fully and as amply as the said Walter Balcanquall, or any other Person, heretofore lawfully had and enjoyed the same: And Oliver St. John Esquire, His Majesty's Solicitor General, is hereby required to prepare a Patent for the same accordingly, with such further Clauses and Non obstantes as may be necessary for the Security of the said John Bond in the Premises."

Answer from the H. C.

Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath return with this Answer to the Two last Messages to the House of Commons:

That they agree to the Time and Place for the Fast: To all the rest of the Particulars, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Preachers at the next Fast.

Ordered, That Mr. Evans and Mr. Hickes do preach the next Fast-day, in the Abbey of Westm.

Massey's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of Eliz. Massey: It is Ordered, To be committed to the Earl of Manchester, Lord Viscount Say & Seale, Lord Robertes, and Lord Wharton; to call all Parties before them, and end and determine the Business between them.

Preachers at the Fast thanked.

Ordered, That Mr. Greenhall and Mr. Gower shall have Thanks given them, for their Pains in Preaching before the Lords in the Abbey at Westm. last Fast-day.

Message to the H. C. that the Lords will sit P. M.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath:

To let them know, that this House intends to sit this Afternoon, at Five of the Clock.

Order for 200 l. to Col. Thompson.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Colonel Francis Thompson shall have Two Hundred Pounds paid him, upon Accompt, out of the Sequestrations of Bedd. to be deducted out of, and accounted in Part of, the Arrears due unto him upon his Entertainment; and that the Committee of the Sequestrations of the said County do pay unto him the said Two Hundred Pounds accordingly; and that the Acquittance of the said Colonel Thompson, or his Assigns sufficiently authorized by him, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Sequestrators for so much as shall be paid unto him thereupon."

Wareham Articles approved of.

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled do approve of the Articles and Conditions upon which the Town of Wareham was surrendered, agreed upon between Lieutenant Colonel Bryan and Lieutenant General Middleton; and Colonel John Fitz James High Sheriff of the County of Dorsett and the Committee appointed for the same, 10 Augusti, 1644."

Order for 150. per Ann. for the Minister of Hull.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of One Hundred and Fifty Pounds per Annum be allowed and paid, out of the Lands late belonging to the Dean and Chapter of Yorke, for the Maintenance of a preaching Minister at the Town of Kingston upon Hull, in the County of the same Town, until both Houses take other Order."

Post meridiem.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Corbett.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Lyncolne.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Kent.
Comes Suff.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Essex.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Northumberland.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Wharton.

Message from the H. C. with the Answer to the King's Letters;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Evelyn Knight, &c.

To deliver to their Lordships an Answer to be sent to the King, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees to this Letter brought up from the House of Commons.

to be communicated to the Scots Commissioners.

Ordered, That this Letter be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners; and if they consent to it, then the Committee of both Kingdoms are to send it away by a Trumpeter to the King.

Answer to the King's Letters, desiring to come to the Parliament.

"May it please Your Majesty,

"We, Your humble and loyal Subjects of both Kingdoms, have received Your Letters of the 26th and 29th of December last; unto which we humbly return this Answer, That there hath been no Delay on our Parts, but what was necessary in a Business of so great Consequence, as is expressed in our former Letter to Your Majesty.

"Concerning the Personal Treaty desired by Your Majesty; there having been so much innocent Blood of Your good Subjects shed in this War by Your Majesty's Commands and Commissions; Irish Rebels brought over into both Kingdoms, and Endeavours to bring over more to both of them, as also Forces from Foreign Parts; Your Majesty being in Arms in these Parts, and the Prince in the Head of an Army in the West; divers Towns made Garrisons, and kept by Your Majesty against the Parliament of England; there being also Forces in Scotland, against that Parliament and Kingdom, by Your Majesty's Commission; the War in Ireland fomented and prolonged by Your Majesty, whereby the Three Kingdoms are brought to utter Ruin and Destruction: We conceive that, until Satisfaction and Security be first given to both Your Kingdoms, Your Majesty's coming hither cannot be convenient, or by us assented unto; neither can we apprehend it a Means conducing to Peace, that Your Majesty should come to Your Parliament for a few Days, with any Thoughts of leaving it, especially with Intentions of returning to Hostility against it.

"And we do observe, that Your Majesty desires a safe Conduct, not only from Your Parliaments, but from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, Common Council, and Militia of the City of London, the Chief Commanders of Sir Thomas Fairefax's Army, and those of the Scotts Army; which is against the Privileges and Honour of Your Parliaments, those being joined with them who are subject and subordinate to their Authority.

"That which Your Majesty, against the Freedom of Parliaments, enforces in both Your Letters with many earnest Expressions, as if in no other Way than that propounded by Your Majesty the Peace of Your Kingdoms could be established; Your Majesty may please to remember, that, in our last Letter, we did declare, That Propositions from both Kingdoms were speedily to be presented to Your Majesty, which, being assented unto by Your Majesty, will be the only Means whereby You can give Satisfaction and Security to Your Kingdoms, which will assure a firm Union between the Two Kingdoms, as much desired by each for other as for themselves; and settle Religion, and secure the Peace of the Kingdom of Scotland, whereof neither are so much as mentioned in Your Majesty's Letter.

"And we doubt not but, in proceeding according to these just and necessary Grounds for the putting an End to the bleeding Calamities of these Nations, Your Majesty may have the Glory to be a principal Instrument in so happy a Work; and we, however misinterpreted, shall approve ourselves to God and the World to be real and sincere, in seeking a safe and well-grounded Peace."

Message to the H. C. that it may be communicated to the Scots Commissioners.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath:

To desire Concurrence, that this Answer be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners, by the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms; and, if they agree to it, that then the said Committee of both Kingdoms may have Power to send it away by a Trumpeter to the King.

Answer to the H. C.

The Answer returned to the Messengers of the House of Commons was:

That this House agrees to the Letter now brought up.

Answer from thence.

Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath return with this Answer:

That they agree to the Message.

L. Say & Seal to have the Use of Records.

"Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament, That the Right Honourable the Lord Say & Seale may have the Use of Doomes-day Booke, and The Rede-Booke; and such other Books and Records as are at Dover; or to have authentic Copies of the said Books and Records as his Lordship shall desire, to be made Use of before the Lords in the High Court of Parliament: And herein Obedience is to be given, as the contrary will be answered to this House."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10a, Monday next.

Footnotes

* Origin. with.
Deest in Originali.
Origin. agree to.
* Origin. Commissioners: