House of Lords Journal Volume 8
5 February 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 5 February 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 8: 1645-1647 (1767-1830), pp. 707-709. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=34208 Date accessed: 17 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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DIE Veneris, 5 die Februarii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Warwicke.
Comes Kent.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Midd.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. North.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Wharton.

Message from the H. C. with a Letter to the Parliament of Scotland, and Instructions for the Commissioners going there.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Pierrepont;

To desire Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. A Letter to be sent to the Parliament of Scotland, concerning Belfast in Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

2. Instructions for Henry Earl of Stanford, Rob't Goodwin and Wm. Ashurst Esquires, employed to the Parliament of Scotland. (Here enter them.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Letter to be sent to the Parliament of Scotland; and their Lordships do agree to the sending of the Earl of Stanford and Mr. Goodwin and Mr. Ashurst into Scotland, and likewise do agree to the Instructions.

Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Stephens:

To let their Lordships know, that, whereas formerly this House sent down an Ordinance concerning Gouldsmithes Hall, they have passed the same, with some Alterations and Additions, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

Then the Alterations were read.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will take this Message into Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordinance concerning the Committee for Sequestrations at Goldsmiths Hall.

Then the House took the Alterations in the Ordinance into Consideration, concerning Gouldsmiths Hall.

Ordered, That this House adheres to the Word ["Commissioners"] instead of the Word ["Committee"].

The Question being put, "Whether to agree to these Names of the Members of the House of Commons that have been now brought up to be Commissioners at Gouldsmithes Hall?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Protest against it.

Memorandum, That, before the putting this Question, these following desired Leave to enter their Dissents, if the Question was carried against their Votes, in regard the Number of Commoners were Double in Number to the Lords:

"T. Lyncolne.
Suffolke.
Middlesex.
Hereford.
F. Willughbye."

The Question being put, "Whether to leave out Mr. Jerome Alexand'r from being a Commissioner at Gouldsmithes Hall?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

The Question being put, "Whether Captain Richard Venner, Mr. George Thompson, and Mr. Laurance Brinley, shall stand as Commissioners at Gouldsmithes Hall?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

The Question being put, "Whether to adhere to the Quorum of Seven, as it was before?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

The Question being put, "Whether to agree to the Alteration now brought up from the House of Commons, for to have ["Three Members of Parliament"] put in instead of these Words ["Two Lords"]?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Next, this Alteration was read; videlicct, ["are hereby a Committee, to sit at Gouldsmithes Hall, for compounding with Delinquents, and to act according to the several and respective Ordinances or Orders already made by both or either of the Houses of Parliament, concerning the Committee at Gouldsmithes Hall"]. And Agreed to, upon the Question.

Next this Alteration was read, videlicet, ["and shall not issue out any Monies to be charged upon such Compositions without the Order or Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament"].

Agreed to.

The last Clause was read; and Resolved, upon the Question, To pass as it is come from the House of Commons.

The Question being put, "Whether to have Mr. Waringe and Mr. Herringe to be Commissioners at Gouldsmithes Hall?"

And it was Resolved in the Negative.

Committee to consider of Fees to be paid by Delinquents, on passing their Pardons.

Ordered, That these Lords following shall consider of regulating the Fees of passing the Pardons of Delinquents, and report the same to this House:

Comes Northumb.
Comes Sarum.
L. Visc. (fn. *) Say & Seale.
Comes Warwicke.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Maynard.

Any Three.

The Ordinance aforesaid, with the Alterations, was read.

And it being put to the Question, "Whether to agree, with the Alterations now read?"

And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to the H. C. with the Ordinance.

And it is Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons, for their Concurrence; and that it may be printed, if they shall agree to it.

And accordingly it was sent down to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath.

Rawlinson to be instituted to Lambeth.

Ordered, That Doctor Heath shall give Institution and Induction to Mr. Rawlinson, to be Minister of Lambeth.

Ordered, That the Writ of Errors (fn. †) shall be argued, by Counsel on both Sides, the First Thursday after the Term.

Letter to the Parliament of Scotland, desiring the Delivery of Belfast to the English Forces.

"Right Honourable;

We are commanded by both Houses of Parliament to signify unto you, That they are informed, by their Commissioners who were appointed by them to put Forces into Belfast, that, at their Arrival, your Commanders would not suffer those Forces to enter into the Town; by reason whereof, they were exposed to such Extremities, for Want of Harbour, as have endangered the Destruction and Loss of those Forces, and hath occasioned Mutinies among them, and many to be scattered, to the great Disservice of the Kingdom in carrying on the War against the Rebels; the Matter of Fact whereof having been at large represented to your Lordships by their Commissioners upon the Place, they shall say nothing further of that: But they desire to represent unto your Lordships, that the said Town of Belfast is none of those Places which by the Treaty were to be given into the Hands of the Scotts Forces, however it be now possessed by them; and that both Houses of the Parliament of England did, by their Order of the Thirteenth of November, 1645, appoint their Commissioners residing in Ulster to require from the Officers that kept Belfast the Delivery of the said Town to such as the Parliament or their Committee should appoint to receive the same; to which Order it was answered, by the Commanders of your Forces. That they would send to the State of Scotland, to know their Pleasure therein. They received a Letter from the Parliament of Scotland, signed by the Earl of Craford Lindsey, of the Eighth of January, 1646, Stilo Scotiæ, expressing, That, to the End they might immediately return a full Answer to the Parliament of England, they had dispatched an Express to Ireland, to them who commanded the Scotts Army there, to know the Ground whereupon that Town was first possessed, and since fortified and kept by them.

The Houses of Parliament have formerly written to you, That your Directions might be sent to your Officers commanding in Ireland, that the said Town of Belfast might be delivered according to the forementioned Orders; and they do again desire your Lordships to give present Orders to those that do command the Scotts Forces in Ireland, and particularly to those in Belfast, that the said Town of Belfast, and the Castle in the same, be forthwith delivered to such as they have appointed, or shall appoint, to receive them; that it may be garrisoned by the Forces appointed for it, who may be also thereby relieved and preserved for that future Service against the Rebels for which they are designed.

"Your Lordships

"Very affectionate Friends and Servants.

To the Right Honourable the Lords the Commissioners of Shires and Boroughs assembled in the Parliament of Scotland."

Instructions for the Commissioners to the Parliament of Scotland.

"Instructions for Henry Earl of Stamford, Robert Goodwyn Esquire, and William Ashurst Esquire.

1. When that Business shall be transacted and finished for which you are already intrusted, you shall then make your Repair to the City of Edinburg, to the Parliament of the Kingdom of Scotland, or to the Committees of Estates in case the said Parliament shall not be sitting; and shall represent unto them the great Desire of the Parliament of England to continue and maintain a brotherly Affection, and a good Understanding and Correspondency, between the Two Nations; and that you are to reside and continue where the said Parliament or Committee shall be, for the promoting of the same.

"2. You, or any Two of you, are to endeavour from Time to Time, that there may be a good Understanding and Correspondency continued as aforesaid.

"3. Whereas the Parliament of England hath now written to the Parliament of Scotland, concerning their Delivery of the Town of Belfast unto the Parliament Commissioners there, or such others as the Parliament shall appoint to receive the same; you, or any Two of you, are to deliver the said Letter, and to press (with all the Instance that you can) the present Delivery of the said Town and the Castle there as aforesaid, it being a Thing so much concerning the Forces in that Kingdom: The Matter of Fact, as it stands between the Commissioners in Ulster and the Scotts Officers there (represented to the Houses by the said Commissioners), is herewith sent unto you, for your farther Direction.

"4. You, or any Two of you, are from Time to Time to give an Account to the Parliament of your Proceedings, and to pursue and follow such further Orders and Directions as you shall receive from both Houses of Parliament."

Rawlinson to be instituted to Lambeth.

Ordered, &c. That Doctor Heath, or his lawful Deputy, are hereby authorized and required, upon Sight of this Order, to give Institution and Induction unto Rawlinson, to the Parsonage of Lambeth, in the County of Surrey, salvo Jure cujuscunque; the said Mr. Rawlinson taking the National League and Covenant, and producing his Presentation thereunto under the Great Seal of England.

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* Deest in Originali.
Sic.