DIE Jovis, 12 die Januarii.
PRAYERS.
Earl of Manchester, Speaker this Day.
Message from the H. C. with an Order to stay Coal Ships from going to Newcastle.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye, Knight:
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in divers
Orders:
1. An Order concerning restraining of Coal Ships
from going to Newcastle, until further Order of Parliament. (Here enter it.)
Conference to be had, about some Inconveniences that will attend it.
Ordered, To have a Conference with the House of
Commons concerning this Ordinance, to propound to
them some Inconveniences as may ensue by passing this
Ordinance in this Manner, and to desire to know how
those Inconveniences may be answered.
"1. Question: Whether there be any Store of Coal
in the City?
"2. Whether this will not divert that Trade to another Country, and so the Pits will be spoiled for the
future?
"3. Whether it will not raise the Price of Coals
here?"
More Orders from thence, for the Lords Concurrence;
2. An Order for to give Authority to train the
Trained Bands and Voluntiers of the Town of Ipsich.
(Here enter it.)
Agreed to.
3. An Order for fortifying of the Town of Lynn.
(Here enter it.)
Agreed to.
and to sit P. M.
4. The House of Commons desires their Lordships
would please to fit this Afternoon, about some Business
of Importance.
Agreed, To fit this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House agrees with the House of Commons
in the Order concerning Ipsich and Lynn, and agree
to fit this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock; but concerning the Ordinance touching restraining Ships going
to Newcastle, their Lordships will send them an Answer
by Messengers of their own.
Message to the H. C. for a Conference about the Order for staying Coal Ships from going to Newcastle.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To desire a present Conference, touching the Ordinance for restraining Ships going to Newcastle for
Coal.
The Counsel on both Sides were heard, to inform
this House concerning the Business concerning the Duke
Espernoone, Duke of Vendosme, and Marquis De Vieuville.
Duke of Espernoon and Merchants here, about a Ship hired in Spain.
Mr. Bierly said, "That the Duke Espernoone being
arrested by Merchants here, for a Ship which was hired
in Spaine, and the Duke of Vendosme and Marquis de
Vieuville, as is alledged, gave their Words for his
Appearance to the Action; and the Merchants have
now taken out Writs, to arrest them, whereby they
are inforced to keep their Houses, else they shall be
arrested upon a pretended Promise which was not
given, and the Matter being for Vexation.
"That Peter de la Sale, a Merchant residing in London, is arrested since, for the very same Matter."
Mr. Glover, Counsel for the Merchants, alledged,
"That the Duke of Vendosme and the Marquis De Vieuville did promise and undertake for the Appearance
of the Duke Espernoone."
Ordered, That this House will hear further Information of this Business To-morrow Morning, the
First Cause, whether the Promise was made or no.
The Messengers return this Answer:
Answer from the H. C.
That the House of Commons will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.
Petition to the King, against adjourning the Term to Oxford.
The Earl of Northumb. reported, "That the Committee of Lords and Commons have considered of
a Draught of a Petition to the King, concerning the
English Courts, that are appointed by the King's Proclamation to be adjourned to be kept at Oxford."
The Petition was read. (Here enter it.)
Ordered, That this House approves of this Petition;
and that it shall be sent down to the House of Commons,
to desire their Concurrence therein.
Message to the H. C. with it, and that the Lords agree to the Declaration against the Commission of Array.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To desire their Concurrence in the Petition to the
King, concerning the Adjournment of the English Courts
to Oxford; and to let them know, that this House agrees
with them in the Declaration against the Commission of
Array, and desire to join that it may be printed and
published.
The House of Commons being come, the House was
adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the
Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.
Hern, for printing a scandalous Pamphlet.
Ric'd Herne, the Printer, was brought to the Bar;
and he confessed, "That he printed a Book, intituled,
His Majesty's gracious Answer to the Message sent from
the Honourable City of London, concerning Peace; and
he said, he had it of one Glapthorne, who lived in
Fetter Lane."
Peck, for D°.
Likewise one Pecke was brought to this Bar; and he
confessed, "That (fn. *) he made and invented a Book, intituled, A Continuation of certain special and remarkable Passages informed to both Houses of Parliament,
&c. and that he delivered it to Leach and Coales."
Both committed to The Fleet.
Hereupon this House Ordered, That the said
Richard Herne and Pecke shall be committed to the
Prison of The Fleete, there to remain until the Pleasure
of this House be further known.
The Messengers return with this Answer:
That the House of Commons do agree with this
House, in the Petition concerning the Adjournment of
the English Courts to Oxford, and that it be sent to
the King; and that they agree that the Declaration
against the Commission of Array shall be printed and
published.
Order for fortifying the Town of Lynn.
"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, That the Treasurers and Receivers of the Subscription-monies, in the Town of Lynn, do detain in
their Hands Four Hundred Pounds of the said Subscription monies, collected in the said Town, to be employed towards the Fortifying and Defence of the said
Town."
Order for fortifying Ipswich.
"For the better Safe-guarding and Defending of
the Town of Ipswich (which is a great Town, and a
Port Town) from such Violences, Spoils, and Destructions, which may be offered and done to the same,
by any Forces, and especially by Foreign Forces,
which may be brought by Sea, and landed in that
Port, or some Place thereto near adjoining, which is
now much feared: It is this Day Ordered and Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament;
That the Bailiffs and other Deputy Lieutenants of
the same Town may erect and make, and are hereby
authorized to erect and make, within the same Town
and the Parts near adjoining to the same, such Fortifications and other Works as they, or any Three
of them, shall judge to be fit and expedient, for the
better Defence and Safety of the same Town; towards the Charge whereof, it is Ordered, That
they may and shall retain in their Hands Two
Hundred Pounds, Part of the Money by that Town
contributed or lent upon the Propositions of both
Houses of Parliament: And it is also Ordered and
Ordained, by the Lords and Commons, That the
Deputy Lieutenants of the said Town do presently
take special Care, that the Trained Bands of the said
Town be made and kept complete for the Number,
and be completely armed, and mustered, and trained,
and taught the Use of their Arms: And it is further
Ordered and Ordained, That all such Persons within the same Town (not being formerly charged to
find Arms, or listed to wear Arms in the Trained
Band), who are willing, for the better Defence of the
same Town, (fn. *) to be listed as Voluntiers, shall and
may, by the Deputy Lieutenants, or any Three or
more of them, be put into One or more Company or
Companies, as the Number of such Voluntiers shall
arise to; and that every such Company, for the better Encouragement in that Service, shall and may
elect and choose a fit Person to be their Captain;
which Person, so by them elected and chosen, and approved and allowed by the Deputy Lieutenants of
the same Town, or any Three of them, to be a fit
Person for that Service, shall hereby have Power,
Warrant, and Authority, to be Captain of that Company, and, from Time to Time, as he shall think
fit, to call together that his Company, or so many
of them as he shall think fit, and them to muster,
teach, and instruct in the Use of their Arms, and to
train, teach, and exercise them in martial Discipline;
and the said Bailiffs and other Deputy Lieutenants
of the said Town, or any Three of them, for the
better Ordering of the said Companies, are hereby
authorized to put the said Trained Band and Companies of Voluntiers into a Regiment, and to appoint
and name a Colonel, Lieutenant Colonel, and a Serjeant Major, and also Captains, as often as any such
shall be wanting; all which Captains of the Trained
Band, and Companies of Voluntiers, and other Officers, shall be subject to, and under the Command
and Directions of, the Deputy Lieutenants of the
same Town; and shall, from Time to Time, be obedient and subject unto and shall do execute and perform, within the said Town, all and every such Commands and Directions as they shall receive from the
Two Houses of Parliament, or from the Lord Lieutenant of the County, or, in his Absence, from the
"Deputy Lieutenants of the said Town, or any Three
of them."
Petition of both Houses to the King, against adjourning the Term to Oxford.
"May it please Your most Excellent Majesty,
"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,
having taken into their serious Consideration Your
Majesty's Proclamation, dated at Oxford, the 27th of
December last, for the adjourning of the Courts of
Chancery, the Receipt of the Exchequer, First Fruits
and Tenths, and the Dutchy of Lancaster, the Court
of Wards and Liveries, and the Court of Requests,
from the City of Westm. unto the City of Oxford, and
for adjourning the Courts of King's Bench, Common
Pleas, and Exchequer, unto Crast. Purificat. next;
and considering the great Inconveniences that may
fall thereby to Your good Subjects; do in all Humility present them to Your Sacred Majesty, as their
Reasons to move Your Majesty to revoke the said
Proclamation, and to continue the said several Courts
at their several Times and Places within the said City
of Westm.
"1. The Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of England,
and the Master of Your Majesty's Court of Wards
and Liveries, the Supreme Judges of the Chancery
and Court of Wards, and who have the Seals of the
said several Courts, being Members of the House
of Peers in Parliament, cannot, without Breach of
Privileges of Parliament, absent themselves from
their Attendance there, unless they have Leave of
the said House of Peers: The Chancellor of the
said Dutchy of Lancaster and the Masters of the
Chancery are Assistants to the said House of Parliament; neither can they be absent from their Attendance there, without Leave of the said House:
And the said House of Peers, being now in Consultation about the great Affairs of the Kingdom,
cannot spare any of the said Members or Assistants:
And divers other Officers of the said Courts are
Members of the House of Commons, who cannot
be spared from their Attendance there.
"2. Your Subjects cannot pass from any Part of the
Kingdom to the said City of Oxford without apparent
Danger, being to pass through the greatest Part of
Two several Armies; neither can the said Courts
sit and proceed there with that Freedom and Liberty
as Courts of Justice ought to do, there being an Army
in the said City.
"3. Your Majesty's Records of the said Courts, and
the Evidences of Your Subjects, which are necessary
to be used in the said Courts at the Hearing of
Causes, will be in Danger of Miscarriage in bringing
to Oxford through the said Armies; which, if they
should, might turn to the utter Undoing of divers of
Your Majesty's good Subjects.
"4. Much Prejudice may come to divers of Your
Majesty's Subjects, to have the Courts of Equity so
far removed from the Courts of Law.
"5. If the Courts of Law should be adjourned till
Crast. Purificat. it would much delay Your Majesty's Subjects in their legal Proceedings.
"For all which Reasons, the said Lords and Commons do humbly desire Your Majesty, that
the said Courts may be kept at Westm. and
at their several usual Times, and not at the
City of Oxford."
Post meridiem.
PRAYERS.
Earl of Manchester, Speaker.
Captain of The Tower Hamlets Trained Bands refuses to obey the Warrant of the Lord Lieutenant of Middlesex.
The Earl of Holland informed this House, "That
his Lordship, as Lord Lieutenant of the County of
Midd. sent his Warrant, by virtue of an Order of
this House, to the Lieutenant of The Tower, and
other Deputy Lieutenants, who sent the same to a
Captain of the Trained Bands in the Hamlets, who
said, He cared not for the Warrant, and would not
obey it."
Hawkins, for Contempt of a Warrant from this House.
Henry Parkinson, Constable, witnessed, "That John
Hawkins said, when he shewed him the Order of
this House to him against Shooting, That he would
not obey the said Order; but said it was a base,
stinking Warrant, and he could not conceive but
there was Treason or Treachery in it."
Myles Cleare witnessed the same.
Committed to The Fleet.
Hereupon this House Ordered, That the said John
Hawkins, for this Offence, shall be committed to the
Prison of The Fleete, there to remain until the Pleasure of
this House be further known.
Order for removing Doctors Beale, Martin, and Sterne, from The Tower, to the Prison in Aldersgatestreet.
Ordered, That the Bodies of Wm. Beale, Edward
Martyn, and Ric'd Sterne, Doctors in Divinity, and now
Prisoners in The Tower, shall be delivered over to the
Custody of the Keeper of the Lord Peters's House, in
Aldersgate-streat, in London, to be there kept until the
Pleasure of this House be further known.
Message from the H. C. for a Conference about the London Petition, to the King, and His Answer; and about a Supply for the Army.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Walter Longe:
To desire a present Conference, concerning the Petition of London presented to His Majesty, and His Answer thereunto; and also touching something to be communicated concerning the present Supply of Money for
the Army.
Answer:
Answer.
Their Lordships will give a Meeting presently, in the
Painted Chamber.
Paper from the Spanish Ambassador, concerning Cochineal.
The Earl of Northumb. acquainted this House, "That
the Spanish Ambassador was with his Lordship, and
desired him to present unto the Houses of Parliament
a Paper concerning Cochineal."
Which (fn. *) was read, as followeth: (Here enter it.)
To be sent to the H. C.
Ordered, That this Paper be sent down to the House
of Commons, because this House hath (fn. *) not had Cognizance of this Business, it having been agitated only in
the House of Commons.
House adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords
went to the Conference; which being ended, the House
was resumed.
Report of the Conference, about the London Petition to the King, and His Answer to it.
The Lord Manchester reported the Effect of this Conference; which was, "To communicate to their Lordships a Narrative and Printed Book, received from
the Lord Mayor and Common Council; which, so
soon as they received them, they desired to have imparted them to their Lordships, but their Lordships
were risen; together with the Opinion of the House
of Commons, that the Answer which the King hath
sent by Mr. Herne should be permitted to be read at
the Common Hall as speedily as may be; and, to
that Purpose, they had sent to the Lord Mayor, to
call a Common Hall against To-morrow Morning.
Then the Narrative was read, as followeth:
A Relation from the Common Hall at London, of some Passages between the Common Council and the King.
"Commune Concilium tentum in Camera Guildhall, Civitat. London. 9 die Januarii, 1642,
post meridiem.
"At this Common Council, Sir George Garrett, Sir
George Clarke, Knights and Aldermen, Mr. Peter
Jones, Mr. George Henley, Mr. Richard Bateman, and
Mr. Barney Reames, Committees lately appointed by
this Court to make their Address unto His Majesty,
with an humble Petition in the Name of the Mayor,
Aldermen, and Commons of this City, did make
their Relation in Writing, which followeth, in these
Words:
"On Monday, the Second of January, we came to Oxford, between One and Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, where, though we could get no Lodging
before Night, yet presently we dispatched one to give
the Lord Falkeland Notice of our coming, and about
Three of the Clock did all of us attend his Lordship at his Lodging in New-Colledge, with whom we
sent one also to the Court, to receive His Majesty's
Order for Admission into His Presence; who returning unto us, and bringing us Word that His
Majesty would receive the Petition at Five of the
Clock, we accordingly all of us came to the Court,
and, after some small Time of Attendance, were admitted unto His Majesty, into His Withdrawing
Chamber, and the Petition publicly read in His Majesty's Presence; unto which His Majesty presently
made Answer, unto this Effect: That He was glad
of the Occasion this Petition would give Him, to let
the City know some of His Declarations; which,
although He hath already caused them to be put in
Print, yet He doubted might be kept from the Knowledge of His People in the City: That He doubted
the Petitioners promised more than they could perform; to wit, to defend His Majesty from Tumults;
when, as He heard, they could not maintain Peace
and Quiet amongst themselves: That His Answer
should be full, which He would expect should be
published and made known to all His People in the
City. And he added this Question, Whether they
had petitioned the Parliament also, to remember them
of their Duty unto His Majesty: Unto which it was
presently answered, That they were only Messengers
of this Petition, and could not give Answer to that
Question. On Tuesday, we had no Audience; but
attended our Answer. And on Wednesday, the 4th
of January, we addressed ourselves for our Dispatch,
by Message unto the Lord Falkeland, and received
His Majesty's Order to attend at Three of the Clock
that Afternoon, which we did accordingly; and being
called in, His Majesty shewed us a Paper, which He
says was His Answer to the Petition, and so delivered
it into the Hands of a Gentleman called Mr. Herne,
standing by Him, who, He said, should go with us,
and see it done accordingly; and having demanded
which was the greater Assembly, a Common Council
or Common Hall, and it being answered that a
Common Hall was the greater, His Majesty Twice
expressly commanded us, that this His Answer should
be published at a Common Hall, that there might be
fair Play above-board, and that the People of the
City might be disabused, and know the Truth. This
done, His Majesty dismissed us, as we thought; but
presently we were re-called; and His Majesty said,
He would send some to be amongst us in the City,
from Him, to inform the City and Him of the Truth,
whom He would expect they should protect, being
they did protect Persons ill-affected to His Majesty;
and that He should see by that, how they were able
to protect His Majesty.
"This Relation we make according to our best Remembrance.
"Also, at this Common Council, the Copy of a Warrant granted by His Majesty, for the Safe Conduct
of Henry Heron, Esquire, His Majesty's Servant, was
produced; the which followeth, in these Words: videlicet,
"CHARLES R.
"Our Will and Pleasure is, and We do hereby
streightly charge and command all the Officers and
Soldiers of Our Army, and all other Our Ministers
and loving Subjects whatsoever, to permit and suffer
Our Trusty and Well-beloved Henry Heron, Esquire,
Our Servant, to pass freely by you, to Our City of
London, and to return back to Us, to Our Court at
Oxford, without any Lett, Hindrance, or Molestation; he being sent from Us to the Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons of Our City of London, with
Our gracious Answer to their humble Petition: Hereof fail you not, as you tender Our Displeasure, and
will every of you answer the contrary at your uttermost
Perils.
"Given under Our Signet, at Our Court at Oxford, the Fifth Day of January, 1642.
"After the said Relation and Warrant, which this
Court doth Order to be entered, and upon Hearing
of the said Committees what they can further say
and declare touching what was further delivered unto
them by Word of Mouth, upon Delivery of the
said Petition, or concerning a Printed Paper acknowledged by Sir George Garrett and Sir George Clarke
to be delivered unto them in their Coach at their
coming away, which this Court conceiveth to be the
Answer to the said Petition, and agreeable with the
Message sent by the said Mr. Heron to be published
at the Common Hall; and forasmuch as the aforesaid
was presented to the Lords and Commons in Parliament, for their Advice and Assistance for the safe
Conveying thereof unto His Majesty, it is therefore
thought fit, and so Ordered, by this Court, That
Sir John Wollaston Knight and Alderman, Mr. Alderman Fowke, Mr. Alderman Gibbs, Mr. Alderman Chambers, Colonel Manwareing, Mr. Stephen
Eastwick, Mr. Theophilus Riley, Mr. Owen Rowe,
Mr. Francis Pecke, Mr. Samuell Warner Alderm.
William Barkley, and Mr. James Russell, or the major
Part of them, shall forthwith repair to the House of
Commons, and acquaint them with the whole Proceedings concerning what the said Committees have
said and delivered in this Court, touching the said
Petition and Passages thereupon; and also to present
unto the said House of Commons a Printed Book,
now lately published, as a pretended Answer to the
aforesaid Petition; and also to crave their Advice
therein, before a Common Hall be called.
"Michell."
Next, was read the King's Answer to the Petition of
the City, with the Warrant of His Majesty for printing of it.
"CHARLES R.
"Our Will and Command is, That you forthwith
print, publish, and disperse, the humble Petition of
the Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons of Our City
of London unto Us, with Our Gracious Answer to the
same; the Copies whereof you shall herewith receive:
And for so doing, this shall be your Warrant.
"Given at Our Court at Oxford, this 4th of
January, 1642.
"To Our Printers."
Also another Warrant from His Majesty was read, as
followeth:
"CHARLES R.
"Whereas We sent you Our Warrant, of the 4th
of this present January, for the Printing and Publishing the Petition of the Mayor, Aldermen, and
Commons of Our City of London, with Our Answer thereunto; Our Will and Command is, That
you proceed not in the Imprinting and Publishing of
the said Petition and Answer until you shall receive
Our further Pleasure and Directions thereupon, which
We have sent you by Henry Heron, Esquire, Our
Servant. Hereof fail you not, as you tender Our
Displeasure.
"Given at Our Court at Oxford, the 5th of
January, 1642.
"To Our Printers."
Observations of the H. C. upon these Proceedings.
These being read, it was delivered, "That the House
of Commons holds it very necessary, if their Lordships shall so please, that some Committees of both
Houses should be present at the Common Hall, to
hear what shall be read from His Majesty by Mr.
Heron; and, if it shall prove to be the same that is
printed, which contains Matter very scandalous to the
Parliament, dangerous to the City and whole Kingdom, seeming purposely designed to stir up Mutiny
in the City, that then they might be ready to take off
the Aspersions laid upon the Proceedings of both
Houses, and to shew their Confidence in the Loyalty,
Wisdom, and good Affection of the City, that they
will not be misled nor distempered by any such Scandals and Aspersions: And that, if it prove not the
same, but do contain any other Aspersions, they might
likewise clear the Honour and Justice of their Proceedings, as they shall see Cause: And the House
of Commons desires their Lordships to join with them
in this also, that, whatsoever the Message did appear to be, they should yet clear the Two Houses,
notwithstanding all the Taxes laid upon them by that
Book, having done nothing but agreeable to their
Duty to the King and Kingdom; that the Loyalty
and Modesty of the City are to be commended, expressed in their Petition to his Majesty.
"The House of Commons do offer to their Lordships Consideration some Observations, extracted out
of the King's Answer, with their Answers thereunto.
"1. That there was no Necessity for His Majesty
to withdraw Himself from Whitehall, by Occasion of
any Tumults from the City; much less to depart
into the North, and to raise an Army against the
Parliament.
"For Evidence whereof, it may be considered,
His Majesty went safely into London, without
a Guard, and stayed about a Week, after
these unhappy Differences at Whitehall, and
much longer at Hampton Court and Windsor,
without any Attempt against Him.
"2. That the Chief Magistrates of the City, and
the whole Body thereof, adhering to the Parliament,
and executing their Commands, being the Great
Council of the Kingdom, are called a few desperate
Persons, and charged to exercise an arbitrary Power.
"This, they conceive, needs no Answer.
"3. That Contribution (fn. *) is publicly made and avowed,
for the Maintenance of the Army, which hath given
Him Battle, and used all the Means that Treason and
Malice could suggest, to take away His Life, and destroy His Issue.
"To this they answer, That Violence was first
intended and diversly practised against the
Parliament, before they took any Course for
their Defence: The often Designs of bringing up the English and Scottish Armies, the
gathering of Cavaliers to Whitehall, and violent coming to the House of Commons, are
clear Evidences of it; the Queen's going beyond the Seas to procure Foreign Forces, and
the King's going into the North, and raising
an Army there, were long before the Parliament made any Preparation for taking up
Arms; and the same Law of Necessity, which
enforced them, for their just Defence, to have
an Army, did inforce them likewise to desire
Contributions for the Maintenance of that
Army; and, if any Danger grew to His Majesty's Person by fighting with this Army, (fn. *) it
is that which all Assailants do undergo; for
which the Two Houses are very sorry, but
had no Means left to prevent it, unless they
would give up the Parliament to be destroyed; Religion, the Laws, and Liberties of the
Kingdom, to be subverted, at the Pleasure of
those by whose wicked Counsels His Majesty
and the whole Kingdom have been drawn
into these miserable Distempers: And as
touching the Royal Issue, they have sufficiently declared to the World their good Affections towards them, by the Care they have
taken both for the Safety and Maintenance of
those who are left here.
"4. That the Lord Mayor, Alderman Fowkes, Colonel Ven, and Colonel Manwareing, are demanded
to be delivered up, as guilty of High Treason and
Schism.
"Answer:
"To consider how this Demand is against the
Privileges of Parliament, Two of them being
Members of the House of Commons; against
the Honour and Liberty of the City, to deliver up their Chief Magistrate, and such
other eminent Members, at the King's Pleasure, only because they have done their Duty,
in adhering to the Parliament, in Defence of
the Kingdom; and against all Rules of Justice, that Men should be imprisoned upon
such a general Charge, whereas the King
keeps the Lord Digby and many more impeached for High Treason, besides divers
other great Delinquents, by Force, from the
due Proceeding of their lawful Trial in Parliament.
"5. They are charged with countenancing of
Brownists and Anabaptists, and all Manner of Sectaries.
"Answer:
"Of this there is no Proof at all; and, whilst
His Majesty declares His own Intention to
defend the true Reformed Protestant Religion, He Himself doth raise an Army of
Papists, the vowed Enemy thereof (fn. *) , and such
as, where they have Power, are bound by their
own Principles to destroy it.
"6. That Mens Persons have been imprisoned, and
their Houses plundered, because they will not rebel
against His Majesty.
"Answer:
"That the Parliament hath restrained all Plundering; and hath imprisoned none, but such as
were dangerous Persons, apt to disturb the
State.
"7. That Property is destroyed, by taking the
Twentieth Part of Lands and Goods by an arbitrary
Power.
"Answer:
"That the Ordinance was not made to require
a Twentieth Part, but to limit the Assessors
that they should not go beyond the Twentieth
Part; that this is not an arbitrary Power,
being derived from both Houses of Parliament; seeing that, in this Case, it is impossible to have the King's Consent, by the same
Law by which they are enabled to defend
the Commonwealth against the Violence applied to the Destruction of the Kingdom,
they are enabled to use all those Means,
without which their Defence cannot be made;
and the Moderation and Reasonableness of
this Proceeding will appear, when it is considered what Burthens, Contributions, and
Taxes, His Majesty lays upon His People;
not only particular Houses, but divers whole
Towns, have been plundered by Order and
Design; the full Yearly Value of Land, and
more, is charged upon the Owners, through
whole Counties, without Distinction; Mens
Estates are declared to be forfeited, and seized
on, because they will not submit to arbitrary
Commands.
"8. His Majesty expects to be kept from Tumults,
Affronts, and Violence.
"Answer:
"He invites the City to a Civil War amongst
themselves, and to cut one another's Throats,
to try whether His Party be strong enough
to suppress the Parliament and all that adhere to them, before He will come to them.
"9. His Majesty threatens to seize upon the Estates
of those that shall contribute towards the Maintenance of the Parliament, and to put them out of
His Protection; by His Ministers in Foreign States,
to solicit they may be proceeded against, that is,
destroyed and spoiled as Enemies.
"Answer:
"This is a Harshness without any former Precedent, whereby He delivers not only particular Persons to be spoiled against Law,
but the Kingdom to be robbed by Foreign
States.
"Next, he made an Observation out of the Narration:
"That His-Majesty meant to send some amongst the
City, to inform Him of the Truth.
"The House of Commons desire that it may be recommended to the Care of the City, to discover and
find those Men out, that so they may be prevented
from dispersing their dangerous Scandals amongst the
People.
"That the House of Commons think fit to acquaint the City, that all these Proceedings make it
clear, that Religion, Liberty, the Safety and Honour
of the Kingdom, are in Danger, and cannot be preserved by any visible Means but this Army; and
that this Army cannot be held together without
Money; and to give them Notice, that the Members
of both Houses have charged themselves with a Second Contribution, and have used all the Means they
can, to draw the Counties to contribute, which some
have done in a liberal Manner; but, without further Help of the City, it cannot be supplied; and
seeing all is in so evident Danger, they hope they
will not fail to add to their former Assistance, and
enter into a new Contribution, without which the
Army will be like to break."
Committee to go to the Common Hall, concerning a further Subscription for the Supply of the Army; and for vindicating the Parliament from the Aspersions thrown on them in the King's Answer to the London Petition.
The Report being ended, the House took the same
into Consideration; and, after some Debate, came to
this Resolution, and appointed the
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E. Northumb.
E. Pembrooke,
E. Sarum,
E. Holland,
E. Warwicke, |
E. Manchester,
L. Viscount Say,
Ds. Howard de Escr.
Ds. Grey de Warke,
Ds. Newnham, |
To be Committees, to join with a proportionable
Number of the House of Commons, to go to the Common Hall in the City, To-morrow Morning, and propose to the City the Proposition for (fn. *) a Second Subscription, for a present Supply of Money for the Army; and to have a present Conference with the House
of Commons, to let them know, that, in regard of the
Shortness of the Time, and the Length and Importance of the Particulars now brought up, and because
their Lordships being unsatisfied as yet with some Particulars which must be maturely debated, and how
difficult a Thing it will be for any Person in so small
and short a Time as To-morrow Morning to prepare
himself to be able to deliver the Sense of both Houses
in these Particulars, their Lordships desire that the Committees of both Houses may meet To-morrow Morning,
by Eight of the Clock, and consider of what is fit to be
delivered at the Common Hall, in few general Words;
fully expressing the vindicating the Privileges, Justice, and Proceedings of the Parliament, and the setting forth the Wisdom and good Affections of the City,
and vindicating them from the Aspersions which are
cast upon them by the King's Answer.
Message to the H. C. for a Conference about this.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To desire a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, by a Committee of both Houses, touching the Matter of the last Conference.
The Messengers return with this Answer:
Answer.
That the House of Commons will give a present Conference, as is desired.
The Speaker was appointed to acquaint the House
of Commons, at this Conference, with the Sense of this
House as aforesaid, and desire them to join with this
House therein.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the
House was resumed.
"The Request and Desire of Don Alonso de Cardinas, Ambassador for His Catholic Majesty
of Spaine, propounded unto the Right Honourable Houses of Parliament, concerning
the Lading of the Ship S'ta Clara, that run
away from St. Domongo, and came to Southampton.
Paper from the Spanish Ambassador, about the Cochineal and the rest of the Cargo of the Sta. Clara, that run away from St. Domingo, and came to Southampton.
"That, if the Cociniglia, which is now Ordered by
the Houses of Parliament to be delivered unto the
Spaniards and Owners of the said Ship, as appeareth
by that Order, shall be effected, the said Ambassador desireth that the last Weight, Value, and how
Notice of the said Cociniglia be taken; and that,
according to Law and Equity, by Order from the
said Houses of Parliament, the said Ambassador may
appoint and name some Person to take Notice thereof on his Behalf.
"That Security may be given by the said Spaniards,
and others unto whom by the said Order the said
Cociniglia shall be delivered, of the whole and entire Value of the said Cociniglia, as it shall be found
to be by those on the next former Section mentioned,
over and above the Twenty Thousand Pounds by
them disbursed, before the same be so delivered
unto them; it being agreeable to Law and Reason,
that he that hath Possession decreed unto him pendente Lite should give full Security to answer for
all the whole Value that he hath Possession of; for
otherwise the true Owners interested in the Goods
would be damnified, and defrauded of their Right
and Interest.
"That the Goods laden in the said Ship besides
the Cociniglia, videlicet, Hides, Ginger, Tobacco,
Sugar, &c. may not be delivered unto the Possession
of the said Spaniards and Owners of the said Ship;
because the said Spaniards do not claim the same,
nor make any Title to them; and the said Owners
do claim only their Freight for the said Goods, for
which they shall have good Security, to be paid
what shall be by the Court of Admiralty adjudged
unto them for Freight, in Case the said Goods now
in Possession, and under Locks and Keys of the said
Ambassador, be ordered to be delivered unto him.
"That the said Cociniglia, if it be according to
the said Order delivered to the said Spaniards and
others, may in no wise be by them, or any of them,
or any others, sold, disposed of, or transported, until
the Question be legally decided by the Court of
Admiralty, whether the said Cociniglia ought to go
for Spaine or no, in Performance of the Charter
Party and Obligation that Benedick Stafford, Master
of the said Ship, made in Sivill, which Goods, although by Sentence so passed should be declared to
be their own, yet by Law ought, and are liable by
virtue of the said Obligation, to be carried thither,
which cannot be performed (although the Judge
should so sentence the same), if that in the mean
Time they should be sold or disposed of.
"And the said Ambassador intreateth both Houses
of Parliament to be pleased to cause the Execution
of the Two Orders, of 29 December and 2d Instant,
to be superseded, until they resolve upon the Premises now by him propounded, and maturely considered the Justice, Quality, and Consequence, of his
Demands."
Adjourn.
House adjourned till 8a cras.