DIE Veneris, 1 die Maii,
Domini tam Spirituales
quam Temporales, quorum nomina subscribuntur,
p. Archiepus. Cant.
p. Epus. Winton.
p. Epus. Cestriæ.
p. Epus. Sarum.
p. Epus. Co. et Litch.
p. Epus. Glouc.
p. Epus. Exon.
p. Epus. Norwicen.
p. Epus. Asaphen.
p. Epus. Bath et Wells.
p. Epus. Oxon.
p. Epus. Hereff.
p. Epus. Elien.
p. Epus. Bristoll.
p. Epus. Bangor.
p. Epus. Roffen.
p. Epus. Petriburg.
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p. Marchio Winton.
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p. Comes Arundel et Sur. Comes Mares. Angliæ, et Senes. Hospitii.
p. Comes Northumbriæ, Mag. Admirall. Angliæ.
p. Comes Pembrooke, Camerar. Hospitii.
p. Comes Rutland.
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p. Comes Bathon.
p. Comes South'ton.
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p. Comes Hartford.
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p. Comes Dorset.
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p. Comes North'ton.
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p. Comes Rivers.
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p. Comes Strafford.
p. Vicecomes Say et Seale.
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p. Ds. Strange.
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p. Ds. Stanhope.
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p. Ds. Pawlet.
p. Ds. Harvey.
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p. Ds. Gorcinge.
p. Ds. Savile.
p. Ds. Dunsmore.
p. Ds. Powis.
p. Ds. Herbert de Cher.
p. Ds. Cottington.
Report of Heads for another Conference.
The Lord Keeper reported to the House the Heads
of the Conference prepared Yesterday, at the Council
Chamber at Whitehall, by the Lords Committees, who
are appointed to consider of what Matter was fit to propound at the Conference with the House of Commons,
"My Lords have commanded me to let you know,
That the Desire and Care on your Parts, at the last
Conference represented unto them, for preserving a
good Union and Correspondence between their Lordships and you, is by them entertained with all Respect, and requited with all good Affection, as that
which is the best Way to bring both our Consultations and Resolutions to an happy Issue; to give His
Majesty a dutiful Account of our Zeal and Forwardness in those great and weighty Affairs for which we
were assembled; and to further those united Proceedings, that may tend to the Happiness of this
Kingdom, and the Contentment of both Houses.
"Their Lordships well know the great Privileges
belonging to both Houses of Parliament, of which
they and you are alike participant; and they are not
ignorant of those that are distinctly proper to each
House; what belongs to you of the House of Com
mons, they never had thought to impeach or diminish in the least Kind; and what they justly challenge to themselves, they presume you will not attempt upon; since you cannot doubt but they will
be as tender of their Honour, in the Preservation and
Upholding of their own, as they are and shall be
careful not to invade or violate any of yours.
"This, their Lordships commanded me to tell you,
will best and most clearly appear, by the Course
(fn. *) which hath been held in their own House, and by
their Proceedings with you.
"Their Lordships, as in Duty and Affection to His
Majesty's Crown and Government they are bound,
took into serious Consideration the great and weighty
Motives of His Majesty's calling us together at this
Time; the great Evils and Calamities that hang over
our Heads; and the apparent Danger this Kingdom
is like to run into, if, by speedy and fitting Supply,
His Majesty be not enabled to prevent it.
"These, with the Reasons enforcing, how insupportable Delay and Protraction was, and how impossible it is for both Houses to recover the Loss of Time
in a Matter of so pressing and urgent Consequence,
(fn. †) were, by His Majesty's Command, delivered to their
Lordships and you, both in the Lords House, and in
the Banqueting House at Whitehall, His Majesty being
"His Majesty, both these Times, expressed His Gracious and Princely Desire to do all (that from a just
and gracious King might be expected) whereby this
Parliament might have a happy and blessed Conclu
sion, and bring Joy and Consolation to His Majesty
and all His Subjects.
"He told you, that all your just Grievances should
be graciously heard and relieved; that He would
therein let you be at no Loss of Time; but for the
present, before you parted, you should have, without abridging, as much as the Season and great Affairs in Hand would possibly permit; and what you
could not now perfect, you should have Time towards
Winter to go through with. Their Lordships were
Witnesses that His Majesty gave His Royal Word
herein; and, for their Parts, lodged in their Hearts
as much Trust and Confidence of His Majesty's Royal Performance as ever Subjects did.
"Not long after, His Majesty was pleased to honour
the Lords House with His Presence again, to renew
the Remembrance of all what had before been delivered to both Houses, both for the Necessity of the
Supply desired, with the Impossibility of admitting
Delay, and the Clearness of His Majesty's Intentions
and Resolutions to give all just Satisfaction to what
with Reason could be desired of Him. His Majesty
then took Notice to their Lordships of somewhat that
had been voted in your House, concerning Religion,
Propriety of Goods, and Liberty of Parliament,
whereby His Majesty conceived the Matter of His
Supply set aside, which He had so often, and with
such Weight of Reason, desired might have Precedency.
"And, after very gracious Assurances to their Lordships of His Majesty's constant Affection and Zeal for
True Religion, and for preventing all Innovations
therein, of His so often iterated Promise to give a
gracious Ear and just Relief to all your just Grievances; and in particular expressing His Royal Intentions in that of Ship-money, which He found so much
stood upon; He was pleased to desire their Lordships
(as Persons in Rank and Degree nearest to Him, in
Honour as much or more concerned than others, and
in the Safety and Prosperity of this Kingdom, at least
equally interested with the rest of his Subjects),
That, in a Case of this great and important Weight,
they would, by their Counsel and Persuasion, incline
you of the House of Commons to give His Majesty a
speedy Answer and Resolution in the Matter of
"Their Lordships took His Majesty's Desire into serious and dutiful Consideration; and, after great and
solemn Debate, they Resolved, That their Opinion
was, that the Matter of His Majesty's Supply should
have Precedency, and be resolved of, before any
other Matter whatsoever; and did think fit there
should be a Conference desired with you of the
House of Commons, to dispose you thereunto; and
this was all they then voted, or concluded, with
which at the Conference their Lordships acquainted
"This, as it was just and honourable for them to
do, so it neither extended the Bounds and Limits of
their own Privileges, nor narrowed or straitened any
of yours. And yet, at the last Conference (which
their Lordships are apt and willing to believe proceeded rather from some Mistaking than any Intention to lessen theirs, or enlarge your own Privileges),
it was urged, in your Name, That the voting of this
was a Breach of your Privilege; and that therein
their Lordships have been transported beyond the
Grounds which they had set to themselves; because,
in the former Conference, their Lordships had admitted that Matter of Supply ought to begin in the
House of Commons, as naturally belonging to that
House, and wherein their Lordships would not
meddle, no, not so much as to give Advice; and yet,
by voting what they did, have not only meddled
with Matter of Supply, but (as far as in their
Lordships lay) had concluded both the Matter and
Order of Proceeding; for which you demanded Reparation from their Lordships. Wherein I am commanded, by their Lordships, to let you know, That
they have neither varied nor been transported from
their own Grounds, or voted any Thing contrary to
your Rights and Privileges, or to that admitting of
them at that Conference which is pretended, for their
Lordships did and do admit, That the Bill of Subsidies
ought to have (fn. *) its Inception and Beginning in your
House; that, when it comes up to their Lordships,
and is by them agreed unto, it must be returned back
to you, and be by your Speaker presented.
"And therefore, as they disclaim any Thought or
Intention of such Beginning in their House, so they
did at their Debate, and at their Conference with
you, disclaim to meddle with the Matter of Subsidy
or Supply, that is, by naming the Time, or Number, or any such Circumstances incident to the Bill,
which ought to begin with you, or therein to give
you any the least Advice. But to confer and talk
with you about Supplies in general, or to give their
Advice therein, they do not, nor ever did, hold derogatory to yours, or exceeding the Privileges of their
"For, as you frequently impart your Grievances to
them, so it is all the Reason in the World they should
communicate their Fears and Foresight of Dangers
unto you; their Lordships being a Body that moves
in an Orb nearer to the Royal Throne than you do,
and thereby the likelier to communicate in the Councils and Secrets of State, and for their Persons and
Fortunes at least as considerable in Point of Danger.
"Their Lordships are not unacquainted with that
Establishment in Parliament, which was by you, at
the Conference, stiled The Indemnity of the Commons, but is indeed the Indemnity of Lords and
Commons, and so stiled in the Record itself.
"By that Record, made at Gloucester, 9 Henry IV, it
appears, there was Conference between the Lords
and Commons, about the State of the Realm, and
the Defence of it; after which the King demanding
of the Lords what Aid was fit to be granted, they
said a Tenth and a Half of Cities and Boroughs and
a Fifteenth and a Half of others, and a Subsidy of
Tonnage and Poundage for Two Years, upon which
the King sent to the Commons, to send up to Him
and the Lords, Twelve of their Company; to whom
when they came, it was, by the King's Command, declared, what had been by the King demanded of the
Lords (fn. †) and their Answer thereunto; which the King
willed them to report to their Companions, that they
might, with better Speed, conform themselves to the
Intention of the Lords.
"This indeed the Commons were troubled at, as being in great Derogation of their Liberties, whereupon, to prevent for the future any Thing that might
turn to the Prejudice of their Liberty, or against the
Liberty of the Lords, it was established, That it
should always be lawful for the Lords to (fn. ‡) commune
among themselves, in the King's Absence, of the
Estate of the Realm, and the Remedies needful, and
so for the Commons among themselves, provided always, That neither Lords nor Commons report to
the King any Grant by the Commons, and absented
to by the Lords, nor the Communications of it, before the Lords and Commons be agreed, and then, as
the Manner is, by the Speaker of the House of Commons.
"This is the Substance of that Establishment; which
only hath Relation to the Manner of presenting Subsidies and Aids to the King, and giving Him Knowledge of them.
"And, as it hath not one Word that bars the Lords
or Commons from conferring about them, so it plainly declares, That Lords or Commons, in their se
veral Houses, may equally treat among themselves
of the Dangers the Kingdom is in, and of the Way
to remedy them; and this my Lords have well
weighed, and are satisfied, verifies their Proceedings
to have been according to ancient Usage and Custom, as they are grounded upon just and weighty
"Many other Reasons their Lordships have, to justify their Proceedings in this Particular; but they
conceive this Record, mentioned by yourselves, will
herein give you abundant Satisfaction, and plainly
shew, that the House of Commons had no Cause to
demand Reparation herein from their Lordships.
"A Second Thing was objected, wherein their
Lordships have been said to have broken another
great Privilege of the House of Commons, established
by that Ordinance which I have mentioned before;
which is, that their Lordships have taken Notice of
some Proceedings in the House of Commons, concerning Three Particulars, Religion, Propriety of
Goods, and Privileges of Parliament; to which their
Lordships have commanded me to give you this just
and honourable Answer:
"His Majesty told their Lordships, you had resolved something concerning those Three Heads, and
by that Way of proceeding preferred the Grievances
before the Matter of Supply: How His Majesty
knew you had so resolved, belongs not to their Lordships to enquire into; their Lordships not meddling
with any Thing that others said to the King, but
what His Majesty said to their Lordships; and for
their Lordships to hear what His Majesty declared
to them, and for them thereupon to report the same
to the House of Commons, their Lordships are so
far from holding it any Diminution, or Violation, of
your Privileges, that, on the contrary, in Duty to
His Majesty, they could do no other; and the communicating it to you, in that Manner, they think,
merits rather your Opinion and Belief of their Affections to you, and Desire of good Correspondence
with you, than any other Misconstruction whatsoever;
and that which you called the Indemnity of the
Commons hath no Words in it that can be construed
to make that any Breach of your Privileges; and
therefore, their Lordships having thus cleared and
justified their own Proceedings, and freed themselves
from any Imputation of invading your Liberties;
they cannot but return to their first Grounds and
Resolutions, which were, in all fair and affectionate
Manner, to stir up in you the just Consideration of
those great and imminent Dangers that threaten this
Kingdom at this Time, and how dangerous and irrecoverable Delay is; and withall to dispose you to
take into your first and best Thoughts the Matter of
His Majesty's Supply, and give Him a speedy Answer therein.
"This, their Lordships are consident, will be the
Means to preserve and continue a good Union and
Understanding between their Lordships and you; to
make this a happy Parliament, and to avert the public Calamities that menace the Ruin and Overthrow
of this famous and renowned Monarchy."
The House did Agree, This to be the Matter of the
Conference; and accordingly it was delivered by the
Message to the H. C. for another Conference.
Afterwards a Message was sent from the Lords Spiritual and Temporal of the High Court of Parliament
assembled, by the Lord Chief Justice and Mr. Justice
Jones, about a Conference, to clear somewhat which
fell from them at the last Conference, with a Committee of both Houses, in the Painted Chamber, with
all convenient Speed.
Answer was returned: The House of Commons are
at this Time employed upon some important Businesses,
and cannot now return their Answer; but will send
Answer by Messengers of their own, with all convenient Speed; which they hope will be this Morning.
Roll of Fees.
The Report which the Earl of Warwicke made to
the House, 29 Aprilis last, That the Grand Committee for Privileges (having received a Report from
their Sub-committee) have examined all the Officers ancient Fees in the Upper House of Parliament, and do
approve of them; and as for the Lord Keeper's Fees,
their Lordships continue them, to be due and payable,
in the same Manner as they have been accustomed to
his Predecessors; and the Roll of Fees being read
openly before the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, in
the High Court of Parliament assembled; it was Agreed,
and Ordered, by all their Lordships, That the said
Fees, entered upon the said Roll, are hereby confirmed,
and shall be accordingly paid.
Conference agreed to.
The House of Commons, by Messengers of their
own House, returned an Answer to the Message sent
them from the Lords. That the Knights, Citizens, and
Burgesses of the House of Commons, are ready to
give a Meeting, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if
it stand with their Lordships Occasions.
Hereupon those of the House of Commons withdrew themselves; and the Lord Keeper reporting the
said Answer unto the House, the Lords resolved upon
a speedy Answer, and the Messengers of the House of
Commons being called in, the Lord Keeper told them,
That the Lords Spiritual and Temporal will presently
give a Meeting, with a Committee of both Houses, in
the Painted Chamber.
Hereupon the House was adjourned during Pleasure; and the Lords went to the Conference; the Lord
Keeper reading to the House the Heads of the Conference, prepared by Direction of the House; and
after the Conference was ended, the House was resumed.
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens
Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem crastinum, videlicet, diem Sabbati, 2m diem Maii instantis,
hora nona Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.