DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 20 die Novembris.
Mr. Parramour, concerning Subsidy and Poll-money.
Mr. Parramour this Day gave an Account unto this
House of those Lords and Dowagers as have not paid
Subsidies and Poll-money; and it is Ordered, That
those Peers and Dowagers that do not pay their Subsidies and Poll-money by the End of this Term shall
have their Names returned into the Exchequer, and be
proceeded against there according to Law.
Venetian Ambassador's Answer concerning Priests.
The Lord Brooke reported to this House, "That
he had acquainted the Venetian Ambassador with the
Order of this House concerning Priests and Jesuits;
and the Ambassador saith, he hath none that are
the King's native Subjects; if he had any such, he
would discharge them: As for Father Jones and
Father Phillips, he says, he knows none such."
Sir Matthew Mennes, about concurrent Leases from the Church of Cant.
Upon Complaint made this Day unto the House, on
the Behalf of Sir Mathew Mennes, Knight of the Bath,
"That the Archbishop of Canterbury had made some
concurrent Leases of the Leases of the said Sir
Mathew Mennes, in the County of Kent, which concurrent Leases are speedily to be confirmed by the
Dean and Chapter of Canterbury, much to the Prejudice of the said Matthew, who hath a Petition
concerning the same now in this House, which cannot yet be heard:" It is therefore thought fit, and
so Ordered, That the said Dean and Chapter shall be
hereby wished, from this House, to forbear to make any
Confirmation of the said Leases; but that the said Sir
Mathew Mennes may stand seised of his said Leases
until Counsel be heard on both Sides, and this House
shall give further Order therein.
L. Cromwell to be examined in Lord Loftus's Cause.
Ordered, That any Two of the Lords Committees
for Petitions shall have Power, by virtue of this Order,
to examine the Lord Cromewell, in the Cause of the
Lord Loftus, upon the Impeachment brought up from
the House of Commons; whose Examination is to be
made Use of at the Time of the Hearing of the said
Cause, in case the said Lord Cromewell cannot be then
present; yet nevertheless it is their Lordships Pleasure,
that the Defendants, in the said Cause, or their Agents,
shall have Notice what the said Lord Cromwell shall be
examined upon, that they may cross examine him if
they think good, who are to take the like Benefit of
his Lordship's Testimony as the said Lord Loftus is
hereby enabled to do.
Phillips's Petition for his Enlargement.
After this, the Petition of Robert Phillips the Priest
was read; "craving Pardon for having formerly presented to their Lordships such Petitions as have not
afforded expected Satisfaction, which he humbly beseecheth may not not be imputed to his Backwardness, but rather unto Want of Experience in forming
Petitions of that Nature; and further beseecheth
their Lordships to believe that, from his Heart, he
is sorry for having administered unto their Lordships
any Occasion of so high an Offence, by letting fall
Words touching the Bible of the Church of England; and professeth that his Design was not to affront their Lordships, or the Professed Religion of
this Kingdom; but merely to assure their Lordships,
that, as all Catholick Subjects have ever done, so he
did neither refuse to swear upon the English Bible,
nor held himself disobliged to answer truly whatsoever was demanded.
"He therefore humbly beseecheth their Lordships
to pardon this his great Offence, upon this his
humble Submission and Acknowledgement,
and to grant his Enlargement; assuring their
Lordships he is most willing and ready not only
to depose the Truth (as by his Oath he is bound)
in whatsoever shall be interrogated in this particular Cause, but also shall ever pray, etc."
Upon this, a Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Robert Rich and Mr. Doctor Littleton:
Message to the H. C. to acquaint them their Lordships were inclined to discharge him.
To let them know, That whereas the House of
Commons, hearing that this House had committed Robert Phillips, Priest, upon their Desire, their Lordships
did Order, That he should not be delivered out of
Prison until they were first made acquainted therewith;
that the said Robert Phillips, by humble Petition, this
Day hath given their Lordships Satisfaction for the Offence done to this House; for which their Lordships
are inclined to pardon him, but will not release him
of his Imprisonment before they had acquainted them
therewith, according to their Lordships former Engagement.
List of Recusants Names that are to be secured.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Vane, Junior; who presented a List
of such Recusants Names as the House of Commons
desires may be secured, for the Safety of the Kingdom.
Four Ships for Ireland.
And also brought up an Order of Parliament, to
give Power to the Lord Admiral, to set forth Four
Ships, for the Service of Ireland; and desired this House
to join with the House of Commons therein.
Letters from the Justices of Ireland.
Next a Letter, written from the Justices of Ireland,
was read, directed to the Lord Keeper, dated the 13th
of November 1641.
Another Letter was read, from the Justices of Ireland, dated the 13th of November 1641, directed to the
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. The principal Particulars
contained therein were these:
They desire Ships.
"That some Ships may be appointed, to (fn. *) guard
the Coasts of Ireland.
"That the Rebels have taken divers Houses and
"That they have spoiled the County of Cavan, and
have made a Remonstrance of the Ground of their
They desire Help.
"It is desired that Ten Thousand Foot and One Thousand Horse, with Arms and Munition, and One Hundred Thousand Pounds, be presently sent them, with
Victuals, and Oats for Horses."
They send an Examination of William Shalles.
And lastly presented an Examination of one Will.
Shalles, taken the 10th of November 1641, upon Oath,
ministered by the Clerk of the Council of Ireland, by
Direction of the Board; which Examination was read
in this House, as followeth:
"William Shales, Serjeant of the Foot Company
under the Command of Sir Arthur Loftus, Knight,
faith, That, about the latter End of April last, he
being then in Norfolke, at Oxborough Hall, in the House
of Sir Henry Beddingfeild, the said Sir Henry, hearing that this Examinant was lately come out of Ireland, sent for him into his Garden; whither when he
came, he found the said Sir Henry walking with one
Poole (whom this Examinant suspecteth was a Priest):
And faith, That as soon as he came into the same
Garden, the said Sir Henry asked him whether he
knew how the State of Ireland then stood? To
which the Examinant said, That he thought all Things
were quiet, and at Peace there. Why (quoth Sir
Henry) doth the Army there do nothing? To which
the Examinant replied, That they carried themselves
quietly; and that any Man might walk in Ireland with
a Thousand Pounds and a Wand only in his Hand. He
faith also, That the said Sir Henry told him, that he
was once about to have taken a House in Kilkenny, of
one of the Butlers, for that there was no Safety in England for any of his Religion; and asked of the Examinant whether there were any good Hawking thereabouts? To which the Examinant said, That there
was. Then the said Sir Henry said, That now his
Mind was altered, and that he meant to stay still in
England; and added, That he did believe that, before
Christmas-day next, there should be seen such Com
bustions in England and Ireland as the like were
never seen before; and thereupon cursed the Scotts,
as Authors of these Troubles.
"Coram nobis, 10 Nov. 1641.
Sir Henry Beddingfield to be attached.
The House, taking this Business into Consideration, as
a Matter of Importance, Ordered, That the Gentleman Usher attending this House, his Deputy and Deputies, shall attach, or cause to be attached, and forthwith brought before their Lordships, the Body of Sir
Henry Beddingfeild, of Oxborough Hall, in Comitatu
Norff. Knight, to answer such Matters as he now
stands charged with in this House; and further, that
the said Sir Henry shall be safely brought up, not being
permitted to have Conference with any, but in the
Hearing of the Messenger, before he shall be presented
unto this House; and lastly, that the Gentleman Usher
or his Deputy, calling Two of the next Justices of the
Peace, shall seal up the Study and Papers of the said
Sir Henry Beddingfeild, leaving Order with the said
Justices of the Peace, that they be safely kept so, until
the Pleasure of this House be further known.
Remonstrance from the Rebels, and the Answer.
After this, the Remonstrance of the Rebels was read;
dated the 6th of November, 1641; and afterwards the
Answer thereunto was read.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Thomas Barrington, Baronet:
Message from the H. C. concerning Phillips, the Priest, not to release him yet.
To let their Lordships know, that whereas their Lordships sent a Message to the House of Commons, signifying that, upon the humble Submission and Petition of
Robert Phillips, Priest, their Lordships are inclined to
pardon him for the Offence done to their Lordships;
the House of Commons desires that he may not be released of his Imprisonment until the House of Commons
be first made acquainted therewith.
The Answer hereunto returned to the House of
That their Lordships will not release Robert Phillips,
the Priest, out of The Tower, until the House of Commons be made first acquainted therewith.
The Queen to be acquainted with it.
The Earl of Dorsett, Lord Chamberlain to the Queen,
was appointed to acquaint Her Majesty, "That, upon
the humble Petition of Robert Phillips, the Lords
have received Satisfaction for the Offence done to
this House, and are inclined to pardon; but, acquainting the House of Commons therewith (according to Promise), the House of Commons desires he
may not be released from his Imprisonment until they
be made acquainted first therewith, as having some
other Matter to lay against him."
Message to the H. C. for a Conference about Irish Affairs.
Then a Message was sent down to the House of
Commons, by Serjeant Ayliff and Serjeant Fynch:
To desire a present Conference (if it may stand with
the Conveniency of that House), by a Committee of
both Houses, touching certain (fn. *) Informations received
concerning the Affairs of Ireland.
List of Recusants whom the H. C. desire may be secured.
Next, the List of Recusants Names were read, which
the House of Commons desire may be secured: videlicet,
|Mr. Preston, of the Manor.
Mr. Robert Cranfield, of Robbs. Hall.
Mr. Clifton, of Litham.
Sir John Talbott.
Sir Cicill Trafford.
Sir William Gerard.
Mr. Hugh Anderton of Eurton.
Mr. James Anderton, of Clayton, the Elder.
Sir Alexander Barlow.
Mr. Blundell, of Crosby.
|Sir Richard Fleetewood, Baronet.
Mr. Peter Gifford, of Chillington.
Mr. John Welles, of Horecrosse.
Mr. Thomas Leveson, of Ashburne.
Mr. Dreycott, of Painsley.
Mr. Francis Harcott.
Mr. Gage, of Bawbridge.
Mr. William Owen, of Aberstin.
Mr. John Bishop, of Pilewell.
John Arundell, Esquire.
|Lord Viscount Mountague.
|Robert Throgmorton, Esquire.
Mr. William Shelden, of Weston.
Mr. Morgan, of Weston.
Sir Charles Smith.
|Sir Peircy Herbert, Knight.
|Earl of Shrowesbury.
Edward Shelden, Esquire.
Francis Hanford, Esquire.
Mr. William Abbington, Junior.
Mr. Walter Blunt.
|Mr. Poole, of Poole.
Mr. Starkey, of Darley.
|Earl of Worcester.
Mr. Morgan, of Lanterner.
Sir Charles Somersett.
|Sir Nicholas Lewis.
|Sir Robert Rookewood.
Thomas Unton, Esquire.
Roger Widdrington, Esquire.
John Webb, of Cansford.
|Sir John Thimbleby, Knight.
Edmund Throcold, of Hough, Esquire.
Ralph Evers, of Washingborough.
Mr. Townley, of Norton.
|The Lord Harris.
Lord Arundell of Warder.
Sir Robert Lynce.
Sir Kenelme Digby.
Sir Basill Brooke.
Sir John Symonds.
Sir Alexander Gordon.
Sir John Winter.
Sir William Mounson.
Sir William Mounteeth.
Sir Henry Gifford.
Ordered, That the Consideration of this List shall
be on Monday Morning next.
The Messengers return with this Answer from the
House of Commons:
Answer from the H. C.
That they will give a present Meeting, in the Painted
Chamber, as is desired.
Subject of the Conference.
The Lord Keeper was appointed to make an Introduction at this Conference, "To let the House of
Commons know, that the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland
hath received Letters from Ireland, which are of
very great Importance; and that their Lordships do
desire that the House of Commons will take the
same into their serious Consideration; and, after this,
the Lord Lieutenant is to read the Letters and
Papers." (fn. *)