The Diary of Thomas Burton
1 May 1657

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John Towill Rutt (editor)

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1828

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94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101

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'The Diary of Thomas Burton: 1 May 1657', Diary of Thomas Burton esq, volume 2: April 1657 - February 1658 (1828), pp. 94-101. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=36831 Date accessed: 20 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Friday, May 1, 1657.

Major-General Whalley presented a petition on the behalf of Colonel John Fothergill, touching his arrears, that they might be stated at Worcester House.

Colonel White moved that they might also be bonded as well as stated, otherwise he would fall short of his desires.

All which was candidly received, and accordingly, nemine contradicente, it was

Ordered by the Parliament, that it be referred to the Committee for stating accounts at Worcester House, and that they be authorized and required to state the accounts of Colonel John Fothergill, for his arrears, and to give him debentures for the same, according to the rules prescribed to the officers of the army; and that the trustees for the sale of the lands of the late King, Queen and Prince, be authorized and required to give him bond thereupon. (fn. 1)

Colonel Jones moved for a second reading of Mr. Lloyd's Bill, which was done accordingly, without any motion or competition.

He moved that it might be committed, by reason that the matter of fact might be examined, to see whether it be so as is set forth in the Bill.

Major-General Whalley. I am not against the commitment; but would be informed how it is that, instead of 1,500 acres, which he was disappointed of, upon his lot, as adventurer, he should have set out 3,500 acres.

Major-General Disbrowe. At the commitment the whole may be examined.

A Bill for settling of Charles Lloyd of London, esquire, in his lands in Ireland, in lieu of other lands fallen to him by lot, as an adventurer, was committed to Sir Richard Onslow, Mr. Burton, (and 26 more) to meet to-morrow, at two of the clock in the afternoon, in the Duchy Court. (fn. 2)

Lord Broghill reported,—according to yesterday's order from the Committee to whom the matter touching lands given to several persons in Ireland was referred,—the opinion of the Committee, viz.

That the orders of Parliament, or either House of the Parliament, begun at Westminster, the 3rd of November, 1640, for the granting, or setting forth lands upon oath, to Sir Charles Coote, Lieutenant-general Michael Jones, Sir John Reynolds, Colonel Jerome Sankey, Sir George Aiscue, Dr. Henry Jones, the relict of Sir Simon Harcourt, and the relict of Colonel Benjamin Blundell, shall be, and are hereby declared, to stand in force to all intents and purposes. (fn. 3)

On several orders of the Long Parliament, touching some soldiers in former wars.

Mr. Bond moved that some person would give a particular account of those orders, otherwise he knew not how to vote.

Lord Whitlock. By the allowance of those orders you neither strengthen nor enlarge them. That gentleman, if he had been at the Committee, might have seen the ground upon which those orders were confirmed. I have heard some doubt whether the dissolving of a Parliament doth not dissolve their orders, and, therefore, it was thought fit to confirm them, as in this Report.

Lord Broghill. They are the gifts of the Long Parliament to your faithful servants, and those orders are all that they or their widows have to show for them. It takes nothing from you; it only makes them a better title, and it is but just and reasonable you should confirm them.

Mr. Godfrey. It is fit that you should read and hear the orders, that you may know what you confirm.

Colonel Carter. It is all the justice in the world that you should confirm them to those that did you service for it, and accepted it as good security.

Sir Charles Wolseley. It is not only an act of favour, but of justice too, for you to confirm them.

Major-General Disbrowe. It were just for us to confirm those orders, if we knew what they were: but not that, under colour of them, the parties should get into possession of twice as much as was fairly and clearly given.

Lord Broghill. It is intended that all these persons claiming by these orders, shall bring in several Bills to confirm them, and then it will be time enough for that caution. (fn. 4)

Colonel Jones. I move that an order made in 49, for settling 100l. per annum, upon Dr. Owen, may be confirmed; which was for his good service at Colchester. (fn. 5) It has been paid hitherto out of the Exchequer, and it is now desired that lands in Ireland, to the same value, may be settled in lieu of it.

Mr. Bond seconded that motion, that it may be charged upon Ireland; and he hoped that Ireland would in time afford us many a 100l. a-year.

Mr. Godfrey. I have as much respect and obligation for and to Dr. Owen as any man; yet I would have the order examined, before you confirm it.

Lord Strickland. Though it be instanced in that service of Dr. Owen at Colchester; yet all here know that he hath done several good services for you elsewhere; and it is little enough that you should confirm this to him which his Highness had taken such care to satisfy. (fn. 6)

Colonel Sydenham seconded it, and it was

Ordered, that a Bill be brought in, to settle lands of inheritance, of the clear yearly value of 100l. per annum, in Ireland, on John Owen, Doctor in Divinity, and his heirs, in lieu of lands of 100l. per annum, formerly granted to him in England by the Parliament. And Colonel Jones is desired to bring in a Bill accordingly. (fn. 7)

Sir Christopher Pack. Some of the Turkey Company are waiting at the door, touching the business between Sir Sackville Crow and them. He did prosecute them at law, albeit the sum was referred to a Committee, and the Committee have been discontinued. I move that proceedings may be stopped till the report come in.

Sir Charles Wolseley. It is against the liberty of the subject to hinder any man of the benefit of the law, unless you had sufficient grounds before you to stop them upon; and therefore I move that till the Committee bring in the report you will not grant any such injunction.

Colonel White. You had the like case before you yesterday, (fn. 8) and would not do any thing in it. I desire you will not stop proceedings.

Alderman Foot. It is but just that proceedings be stopped, so that the hands may be bound on one part as well as another.

Mr. Fowell moved, that the Committee might be required to hasten their report, and that, in the interim, proceedings at law might be stopped.

Mr. Bond. I wonder why any man should be so impudent as to proceed at law, while the business is depending before a Committee. I therefore move, that not only proceedings may be stopped, but that he (fn. 9) may be severely punished for his contempt. He has been your great enemy, and what the Turkey Company did was in order to your service. I would have him sent to the Tower, as he was formerly, and fined.

Major-General Disbrowe. It is but just and reasonable that proceedings should be stopped, till you understand the business; which is certainly foul enough of his side, as I have heard. He durst as well have taken a bear by the tooth as offered such a thing in the Long Parliament, and you ought to vindicate them.

Lord Striekland. I move to appoint a time for the report to be made, and to stop proceedings in the meantime. Though he have been your enemy all along, yet I hope there will once be a time, when men shall know whether they have done good or ill.

Major Beake. There was never such an extravagant person called before you as this man. He has made above sixty defendants in this suit, to take away their testimony. The proceedings appear to be black and dark enough on his part; and unless you stop proceedings the parties are undone. The trial will be on Tuesday next.

Sir Richard Onslow. At the first presenting of this business here you refused an injunction, because you knew not whether it was the same business that the petitioners petitioned against; and you know no more now than you did then. I therefore move that the report may be made to-morrow, or on Monday; that you may have the matter before you to judge, and take your rise thence for an injunction, if fit; but that till then, you would not stop proceedings.

Sir William Strickland moved to appoint the report to be brought in this day fortnight, and, in the mean time, to stop proceedings.

Sir Thomas Wroth. The case yesterday (fn. 10) and this is different. The other was between your friends and friends, but this is between your friends and your enemy. I therefore move that proceedings may be stopped for a month, and that, in the interim, the report may be ready and brought in.

Mr. Moody seconded that motion, and said he attended the Committee, and the business was very foul, and therefore he would have proceedings stopped for a month.

Colonel Jones. If the business already appear to be so foul, the report will be the sooner ready. Therefore, there is no need of a month's time. I shall move that it be within fourteen days.

Colonel Gorges. To inform as to matter of fact, it cannot yet appear to the Committee that it is so foul. I had the command to serve them in the chair. They have yet examined but one party, and not any thing as to Sir Sackville Crow's part. I move for longer time than a fortnight to bring in the report.

Mayor Beake stood up and affirmed that there had been examinations on both sides; but it seems they were but some letters, or the like, to which Colonel Gorges agreed.

Mr. Trevor. For you to stop proceedings before you have a report from your Committee, is a judging the case beforehand. I therefore move that you would grant no such injunction.

Mr. Hoskins. The case yesterday, as I apprehend, may directly parallel with this. There you would grant no injunction, and the same remains, &c.

Ordered, that the Committee to whom the business of the Turkey Company and Sir Sackville Crow was referred, do make their report by this day fortnight, and that all proceedings at law, by the said Sir Sackville Crow against the said Turkey Company, or any particular member thereof, touching the said business, be stayed in the mean time. (fn. 11)

Colonel Jones reported from the Committee appointed to attend his Highness yesterday in the afternoon, that his Highness had appointed this day at ten for the Committee to wait upon him. That time was past.

Resolved, that the Committee do attend his Highness accordingly.

Ordered, that the Resolution made upon the Report made by the Lord Broghill, be part of the business to be presented to his Highness, by the Committee appointed to attend his Highness. (fn. 12) See the Report supra. (fn. 13)

Sir Charles Wolseley moved that the bill for recovery of just debts might be read, but Sir Christopher Pack's motion thrust his motion out, as before.

Colonel Jones moved to adjourn: some moved to adjourn till Monday, others till Tuesday, and the House was divided upon the question for Monday.

The question being put, that the House be adjourned till Monday morning next,

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Yeas 37. Major-General Whalley and Colonel Purefoy, Tellers.

Noes 49. Colonel Fothergill and Mr. Thistlethwaite, Tellers.

So it passed in the negatiye.

Whitehall at 11.

The Committee attended his Highness in the Council Chamber.

Lord Whitlock acquainted him that the House had considered of his scruples and doubts upon the Petition and Advice, and had made several resolves in answer thereunto, which they had commanded the Committee to acquaint his Highness with.

Lord Whitlock read the Report until he came to enumerate the ordinances that were confirmed, &c. so he left off reading and delivered the papers to his Highness.

He then acquainted his Highness with the further commands upon this Committee, (which his Highness, I perceive, looked should have been mentioned at first, for he took the order and read the latter end of it), that they would know of his Highness when the House should wait upon him for his positive resolution and answer to the Petition and Advice presented to him.

His Highness made this short return: that the papers would ask some consideration, therefore he could not then appoint the time, but he would acquaint the House when he had considered of the time, and that in as short a time as might be, or as he could. He spoke low. The Committee did not stay above half an hour, in all.

Footnotes

1 Journals.
2 Ibid.
3 Journals.
4 It was "Resolved by the Parliament," exactly in the terms of the Committee's Report.
5 He held the living of Coggeshall, nine miles from Colchester where he became acquainted with Fairfax, and on the surrendering of that town to the Parliament, August 27, 1648, he was appointed to preach a thanksgiving sermon. See Brit. Biog. (1770) vi. 102.
6 Dr. Owen appears to have been a favourite of Cromwell. Their first acquaintance is thus related. Owen had preached before the Parliament, on "the day of humiliation and prayer," for success in the expedition to Ireland, in 1649. "Cromwell, who had never heard Mr. Owen preach before, was present at this discourse, and was extremely pleased with it. Our divine now intended to go to his cure at Coggeshall, within two days, but thought himself obliged first to pay his compliments to Fairfax. While he was waiting for admission, Cromwell entered, and, at sight of him, came up directly to him, and laying his hands in a familiar way on his shoulder, said, 'Sir, you are the person that I must be acquainted with. Mr. Owen replied, 'That, Sir, will be much more to my advantage than yours.' 'We shall soon see that,' said Cromwell; who, taking him by the hand, led him into Fairfax's garden, and, from that time, was always very intimate and friendly with him."—Ibid. p. 103. Owen accompanied the general to Ireland, and resided in the College of Dublin. Among the Lansdowne MSS. is a letter dated from Dr. Owen, at Oxford, to Lord Henry Cromwell, at Dublin, who had requested advice as to some improvements he projected in the regulations of that University.
7 Journals.
8 See supra, p. 82.
9 Sir Sackville Crow.
10 See supra, p. 82.
11 Journals.
12 Ibid.
13 Page 95,