Monday, April 11, 1659.
I came late. Leave had been given to Mr. Alderman
Toll to go into the country.
They were naming a Committee, (fn. 1) touching one Coney, a
business wherein Lord St. John was concerned, about the
sale of some lands. (fn. 2)
Serjeant Wylde offered a petition in his own behalf, touching taking away his place from him. He set forth, that he
was placed, quam diu se bene gesserit, and displaced by his
Highness without a hearing. (fn. 3) He called it his freehold.
Mr. Annesley moved that it be referred to the Grand Committee for Grievances; (fn. 4) which was done accordingly.
He, also, presented a petition of Lord Craven's, (fn. 5) that he
might have a passport for his safe coming into England, for
six months, (fn. 6) to attend his business.
Mr. Fowell seconded it.
Mr. Scot. I am sorry I was born a son of contention. I
must oppose that motion. There are too many Cavaliers.
Sir Arthur Haslerigge. I am for his coming over; for he
cannot say so much for himself, as is said for him in this
House. Let the business be fully examined, and let him answer those things that are laid to his charge. There is more
clamour made by those that solicit for him, than he can make
It was moved for a protection for him. Others called for a
Colonel Allured. If you give him leave, it is fit you should
take security of him, while he is here. His petition sets
forth, that he has got leave of the States-general to leave his
charge for six months.
Mr. Reynolds. Be not so hasty to do justice to this man,
and to do injustice to three nations. There is too great a
confluence of that party here. If he come over, let him give
security, as the Duke of Buckingham did; (fn. 7) both personal
and other security.
Mr. Raleigh. I move, that, to vindicate the justice of this
House and of the Long Parliament, he have all the liberty,
by protection, or otherwise, to make out his business.
Captain Hatsell. I move that he also give security for his
fellows. One Read, a notorious fellow, came over before,
that was very active against you.
Major Burton. It is not rational to bring them to you;
but to send them from you, rather. It is told you, 1500 officers are here, and that Masseyf is here. Will you have
more to head them.
Mr. Chaloner. There needs no protection. He is a Colonel, and nobody can touch him.
Mr. Godfrey. In your vote, express the cause of the protection.
Mr. Baldwin. A protection, without a pass, will do nothing. The protection is only while he is here.
Sir Anthony Morgan. I know not what that word "protection" means. If he has done any thing that deserves your
justice, let him be questioned for it, notwithstanding.
Mr. Bethel. I move that security be given for his fellows.
Sir Thomas Beaumont. His petition only desires leave
to come. Why then should you give him more than he asks ?
Resolved, that leave be given to William Lord Craven to
come into England for six months from this day, for the prosecution of his Petition concerning his estate; and that Mr.
Speaker do sign a protection for his coming over accordingly:
provided that he do, within six days after his landing in England, attend this House; and give such security as this House
shall think fit, to act nothing prejudicial to the Commonwealth
during his abode there.
Resolved, that Colonel Terrill do make the reports in his
hands from the Committee of Grievances, to-morrow morning.
The order of the day was read touching the farmers of the
excise attending the House this day. (fn. 8)
Captain Stone presented a paper of the persons that are in
arrear; and to whom notice of their attendance here this day
was given according to that order. (fn. 9)
Martin Noell is above 25,000l. in arrear. He had notice,
but was not in the House.
Mr. Godfrey. I move that they be called, in sets.
First, the farmers of the excise of London and Middlesex
were called, but they answered severally. The counties were
not thus favoured.
They were fifty (fn. 10) in number; but these were kept to it to
answer only to London and Middlesex, as follow: (fn. 11)
Mr. Baker. (fn. 12) The amount was 128,400l. per annum, by
the original contract; but, upon addresses to his Highness
and the Council, they brought it down to 120,000l. per annum.
We confess we owe, at this time, 15,000l; but, in truth,
25,000l. whereof 10,000l. is already advanced in his Highness's hands. The reason why the arrears are not paid, is the perpetual disturbances in levying the duty. All possible
means are used to dispute the laws. We have advanced it to
80,000l. more than ever was made. Many have never entered, according to the law. Others, if entered, never paid,
who were to pay weekly or monthly. They disputed every
part of the law, from point to point. The Brewers called a
Common-hall, and resolved not to brew for some time, and so
to break us. The necessity of the nation could not forbear,
though many of them put this in execution.
They preferred a petition of grievance to his Highness.
This was referred to the Commissioners of Appeals. They
can testify it was but scandal, in most part of it. They can
justify us, how well we acquitted ourselves.
They brought actions at law. Our officers were under
perpetual arrest. Now they have found another way, to acquaint your honours with it. Then they endeavoured to
farm. That they could not do.
The state sent for us to know the reasons why it was not
paid. Our credits being somewhat, we advanced money in October to pay all that was due in September. We used all acts
of indulgency to them. We admitted them to compound
with us. Some of them did, and this had like to have broken
us. Now, they have put in a petition of grievances, which
we doubt not but to make it appear, is full stuffed with scandal.
There is due to us from the city, 20,000l. We cannot get
it in, for attending this Committee. They give us dilatory
answers. If we can have but some encouragement from this
honourable assembly, we do doubt not, but in a very short
time to pay all.
One Home, a brewer, has made a complaint against us.
He made no entry for thirty-two weeks together. If all had
done so, it would have ruined us, indeed. We were surprised in a trial. There was a verdict at law against us, for
800l. which we have paid. Home was never worth 100l.
He is now set up to arrest every man of us for 10,000l. which
is hard to find bail for. Our credit being such to get bail for
that, now they arrested Mr. Abbot for a greater sum. For
these reasons, we could not call in our money to make payment to your honours.
As we have been served in the city, so in the country. As
in Surrey, no Justice of the Peace would sign any warrant
but one warrant, that we have procured to be signed.
The weakness of the law is the cause why we have not
paid. They will pay but what they please. One Captain
Pride, of Kingston, we know not what title to give him, owes
us 1000l. One Master Gates, his pretence is that he is
willing to pay. To defeat us, he enters into a judgment of
4000l. to his maltster. All Master Gates' goods are seized for
this judgment. We did any thing, for his father's sake, that
he would have us do. His mother confesses that nothing is
owing her, yet she keeps possession.
We entered. Mr. Gulston and Mr. Wilcocks, two justices,
have restored her to possession, upon pretence of forcible
entry. We pray your favour and assistance to help us
to levy the arrears, and then we doubt not, in a short time
to pay all.
Mr. Stephen Kirk. (fn. 13) I add further reasons why we cannot
pay your demands. There are recognisances of 40,000l.
upon our estates.
Again, your order for the sequestration of our estates,
coming in that nick of time, dissolved our credits. We could
have borrowed 10,000l., where we cannot now borrow a
penny. We cannot satisfy the deficiency of the one for the
unhappiness of the other. The country and city, on Saturday last, were near 15,000l. in arrear, which is all we two
owe, but 5000l. We have cleared all hitherto a month
after the year.
It is their table discourse that we shall be ruined. It is
well known, that some of us have been engaged, from the
beginning, as the encouragers of an Act of the last Parliament. We pray, that the unhappiness that attends first
undertakers may not fall upon us, by the favour of this
This is the first time that ever London was on farm.
We have persons of estates and parts to deal with. Our
undertakings are attended with a reproach. We can make it
out we shall be losers by the contract; yet we intend to
make it good, and our estates must answer it: so that our
reputation and our estates being gone, we have nothing else
left but our lives, and those are threatened daily. We pray
There is no sufficient law to levy the duty, in London, and
ho punishment for the frauds. We can only punish them
for a short entry, but for no frauds. We never levied 300l.
of all the fines. The highest was but 15l., upon one brewer,
who had defrauded us for many weeks. Some fines are but
five or ten shillings.
Mr. Speaker. You confess you are ten weeks in arrear,
whereas, you say that the brewers owe you but for five
Answer. There are other charges upon us in bringing it
in, and 10,000l. already advanced upon it.
The Committee intimated to us not to be so active in
levying it, till we had cleared ourselves of the reproach that
lies upon us. They only gave general answers to pay it
when they could.
They confessed they had notice of the order of March 12,
but only saw it in a Diurnal.
Mr. Kirk said: we had notice and that spoiled our
credits, and our security came upon us to be indemnified.
We are glad of a Parliament. Our bowels rejoice at it.
I hope we shall have relief.
We have lately paid 5000l., as soon as ever we received
your order. We borrowed 2000l. of it; but that was no
part of what is now demanded. As soon as ever we are in a
condition of quiet, we shall apply ourselves to pay it.
We paid last year 30,000l. in thirty days. Then we had
credit to borrow 10,000l. Now we have not.
The parties being withdrawn,
Mr. Speaker acquainted the House with the noise and
disorder that the House was in.
When strangers are here, no member ought to speak,
either as to withdrawing or speaking out. Your chair only
ought to declare your sense.
Sir Walter Earle. It is evident tbey take your money
and pay their own debts with it. The brewers are at the
doors to make their defence.
Mr. Reynolds. It appears by their own showing, that
they are in arrears by their own fault. They are persons
of no such great quality as to be farmers. This Kirk was
the other day but a clerk in the navy, &c.
Colonel Grosvenor. I move to call in the brewers. They
told me at the doors that they expected a charge; but are
not so much in arrear as they speak of.
Mr. Annesley. Be tender, lest you ruin them in their
credit; as you see what effect your last orders produced.
Mr. Lloyd. I was one of the Committee appointed to contract. We did not depend so much upon these persons as
upon the security of one Holt, a goldsmith, (fn. 14) in Lombardstreet, (fn. 15) worth 2000. (fn. 16) We clothed them with all the powers
that possibly could be. Your money should not be paid
by complaints. I would not have the brewers called in;
but keep them (fn. 17) to their contracts. They tell you they have
got abatement from his Highness and the Council, when they
had contracted. It was said that some of them were so strict
that they would flea a flint.
Mr. Raleigh. I would have the brewers called in; but
not so as to take satisfaction by their complaints; but cause
them to make good their contracts., The best of the contractors is this clerk. (fn. 18) One is a broken bookbinder, another
a broken hatter, &c. &c. One of them has built houses and
bought lands to 2000l.
Captain Baynes. They knew the defects of the law,
before they contracted. It will be made appear that these
men pay their debts by your money.
Mr. Scot. I can add nothing to what is said. They are
not wanting to themselves in levying it in London. You are
wanting to yourselves in not calling on them. They take it
for granted that they have 8000l. abated. Nothing appears
to the Committee of it, but a marginal note. They levy it
with all severity. The officers swear the brewers into a debt,
and let them swear it off as they can. I would have the
brewers called in.
Serjeant Mqynard was against calling in the brewers.
Colonel Birch was contra.
Colonel Thompson. I move that the brewers be heard, and
that the farmers be speedily called on. They intend to pay
none; and they will get more money into their hands.
Resolved, that the brewers of London be now called in.
The brewers being called in,
Mr. Speaker, by the command of the House, asked of
them, if they did desire to be heard by any direction from the
Colonel Banier (in the head of them.) I am glad we have
the opportunity to speak in this presence. We are a Committee appointed by the company of the brewers to attend the business concerning the Farmers of the Excise.
Mr. Speaker acquainted them, that the Farmers of the
Excise had offered it to this House, this day, as one reason
why they had not paid their rent, due for the. excise of beer
and ale, according to their contract, that the brewers are in
arrears to them; and that the monies remain unpaid to them,
in the brewers' hands.
Colonel Banier. We are not a week behind, till to-morrow.
We used to be troubled with their spirits every week. We
have a note under a person's hand, one of them, who said they
would not call for any of this duty till they have a better
power to levy this, which we hope you will never grant.
Hill and Dashwood, their treasurers, to whom they owed
10,000l. a-piece, have withdrawn their money. We hear
they have a full treasury, but intend to pay none till they
have better strength to levy.
Henry Bradbury heard one of them say they will levy none
till they have a better authority.
There may be an arrear of 60,000l. or thereabouts, in the
hands of the brewers; but it is through their remissness not
to demand it. They may have it when they will, this afternoon; being the day it is due. Some of us they have made
poor, and they complain now that they are poor. We cannot
answer for all of a hundred men; but the brewers are generally ready to pay their arrears.
Thereupon they withdrew.
Captain Baynes. It is no argument to excuse them, if the
brewers were 15,000l. behind with them.
Lord Falkland. I move that the Fanners be in safe custody
till they pay.
Captain Hatsell. That is not for your service, to lay
them fast. Rather give them liberty, and encourage them
to perform your order, by giving them eight or ten days time.
Sir William D'Oyley. It appears not that those post entries are due from the brewers, till you have a report from
Resolved, that the farmers of the Excise of Beer and Ale,
within London, Middlesex, and Surrey, be required to pay
into the receipt of the Exchequer the sum of 15,700l. on
Saturday next; and the further sum of 20,000l., on or before
the first day of next term.
The Farmers were again called.
Mr. Speaker informed them of the aforesaid resolution.
He farther minded them of their contempt and neglect; that
having had notice, as they themselves had acknowledged, of
order of this House, of March 12, last, they had not hi.
therto paid in the monies due and owing by them, according
to the directions of that order; that they well knew, before
they took the farm, what powers they had; and they had acknowledged they had sufficient powers for London; and that
they knew, that if they did transgress the law, they would be
liable to actions; and that there is much more due from themselves, than is pretended by them to be owing by the brewers; which they might forthwith call for; and that, therefore, the House did expect that they should pay in their
rent according to the contract.
Thereupon, by the command of the House, those Farmers
of the Excise withdrew.
The Committee of the Company of the Brewers of London,
were again called in.
Mr. Speaker. The House have given order to the Farmers,
to pay in their rent in arrear, within a very short time; and
what shall afterwards grow due from them, according to their
contract. The House expect that yourselves, and the rest of
your company, that owe any monies to the Farmers, should
pay the same to them upon demand, that it be not an excuse
to the Farmers, for not paying their rent, to allege that the
money was owing them by the brewers.
Thereupon, by the command of the House, they withdrew.
Colonel Mackworth, Farmer of the Excise of beer and ale in
the County of Lancaster, taking notice, upon reading the account of the monies in arrear, and unpaid, by the Farmers of
the Excise, a debt of 822l. 10s., was stated upon himself, did
stand up in his place, and informed the House, that above
200l. of the said arrear was paid into the receipt this day, and
that the rest should all be paid in within one fortnight.
Resolved, that the rest of the Farmers of the Excise of
ale and beer, and other inland commodities, who attended the
House this day to have been heard concerning the monies due
and owing by any of them, do attend again to-morrow morning, to give the House an account why they have not, according to their several contracts, paid in the said monies.
Resolved, that a new writ be issued for the election of a
burgess to serve in this present Parliament, for the borough
of Malmsbury, in the county of Wilts, in the place of Sir
Henry Lee, Baronet, deceased.
The House rose at one o'clock. (fn. 19)
The Committee of Religion (fn. 20) sat in the afternoon.
Mr. Bacon was in the chair.
They finished the Assembly's Creed, (fn. 21) and ordered it to
be ingrossed, and held forth as the public profession of the
The Committee for lame soldiers, &c. (fn. 22) sat in the Star
Mr. Hewley was in the chair.
Wanting powers to send for persons, &c. they adjourned
till Wednesday, and ordered, that the chair do move to supply the Committee with further powers.
The Committee for Mariners (fn. 23) sat in the Treasury Chamber.
Captain Hatsell was in the chair.
The Committee for Excisemen (fn. 24) sat in the Queen's Court.
Mr. Scot was in the chair.