House of Commons Journal Volume 1
03 March 1624

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Mercurii, 3 Martii

Cheeke.

L. 1a. - CHEEKE.

Member admitted.

Sir Edw. Sandys: - Sir Rob. Crane to be admitted into this House, though he have not received the Communion. - Agreed, upon Question: And to receive the next Sabboth.

Sir James Perrot: - Not to break the Order.

Member refusing to take Oath.

Sir Jo. Jepson: - One chosen by Lerpoole, for a Member of this House, that will neither receive, nor take the Oath : Sir Thomas Jerrard.

Ordered, He shall be sent for; and then further Order to be taken, upon his Answer.

Negotiations with Spaine.

Sir Edw. Cooke reports from the Conference with the Lords Yesterday. - Two Rules of Making of Reports :

1. Relatio dicitur plena, quando plena veritas continetur:

2. Per divisionem res melius apparent.

The Lord Keeper first began, apte, distincte, ornate:

Said, he was directed to open this Conference to the House of Commons. -

Commanded to acquaint this House with Two special -

1. A Supplement: 2. Upon the whole Matter, to signify the Lords Opinion. - Fittest to begin with the Supplement. - Divided into Three Parts: 1. Concerning the Marriage: 2. Palatinate: 3. An heroical Act and Resolution of the Prince; which they thought fit to communicate to us, and we to the whole Kingdom. For the first; observable, the first Motion proceeded from that State, the Duke of Lerma, 3 January, 1614, signified by my Lord of Bristo. For the Palatinate; said, that the King of Spaine promised to use Arms, if Mediation did not prevail: This also signified by my Lord of Bristo. Concerning the Honour of the Prince; in July last, Prince said, in August, a Rumour in Spaine, that the Prince and Duke would steal away: Hearing of this, addressed a Message to the Committee, that, although he had stolen to come thither for Love, yet would not steal away for Fear. -

Grimes then coming for England, told him, that, if he should hear he was stayed, bade him go to his Father, and bid him think no more of him (for he lost) but desire him to reflect his Royal Thoughts on his Sister, and her Children. - Sic omnes unus amores vicit amor patriot.

- So concluded that Part. -

Then came to the Opinion of the Lords; and said, that the Lords had taken Three into Consideration: The King's Command: 2. The Narration made. 3. This Supplement.

- Said, the Lords, upon mature Consideration of this, were all resolved, the King should not rely upon this Treaty any longer. - Four Causes: 1. Did not stand with Conveniency of Religion:.. Honour of the King: 3. Safety of himself: 4. Nor the Safety of his Grandchildren. This was the Conclusion. Now my Lords desired to know our Resolution in this great Negotiation and Business, they having but generally touched Things. - Did signify our Resolutions. Told them, we had duly considered, and de-

liberately consulted, and maturely, unanimously resolved, nullo contradicente, that both Treaties should be broken off. - Imitated the Counsel in the Book of Judges:

" Consider, consult, and give Sentence." - Then made a Motion to them, to join with us in Petition to his Majesty, that he would be pleased to declare his Royal

Determination in the great Business, to the great Comfort of all his loving Subjects at home, and all his Friends abroad. - Such Petitions never denied. -

Then my Lord of Canterbury gave a threefold Thanks : 1. To God, that had laid the Matter so plain before the King : 2. To the King, that he had asked our Advice : 3. To the House of Commons, for concurring with them in their Desires, in iisdem verbis. -

" You and we Two Eyes and Hands, to see, and act, what good for the Kingdom." - For the Motion; said, we had prevented them. - The Lords have appointed a Committee of 24, to meet with us, to confer together; to the end that, if his Majesty shall think fit, we may set down our Reasons, to satisfy his Majesty, the Kingdom, and the whole World. -

Then himself took the Boldness to desire a Sight of those Letters mentioned. -

Answered, we should see them at a Committee. - Told them, that our Number too little, to meet them at this Time: Must resort therefore to the House. The Prince desired, it might be this Morning, in the Painted Chamber.

Sir Will. Strode: - Somewhat more to have been said by a Member of this House, Sir Dud. Diggs,

Sir Dud. Digs: - No greater Ambition, than to do this House Service. - The House commanded him to deliver his own Motions at this Conference, his Collegues pressed him to omit it. -

A Chain of Thanksgiving. -

Saw the greatest Thing -

To appoint hereafter, who shall speak; and not to leave -

Sir J. Wake, Lord Candish, Lord Percy, Lord Wrethsley, Sir Jo. Elliot, Sir Rob. Hatton, Mr. Beecher, Mr. Treasurer, Mr. Secretary Calvert, Mr. Secretary Conway, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Will. Herbert, Sir Rob. Hicham, Sir Geo. Goring, Sir Tho. Cheeke, Sir Fra. Cottington, Sir Guy Palmes, Sir Walter Earle, Mr. Mallory, Sir Rob. Killegrue, Sir Tho. Lucy, Sir Fra. Fane, Mr. Pym, Sir Will. Strode: These 48 are presently to go up into the Painted Chamber, and there to confer with the Lords, about setting down of our Advice to the King.

Sir Edw. Gyles produces certain Reasons: Which were read.

Ordered, No Copies of these Reasons shall be given out.

Drunkenness.

Bill of Drunkenness, in the Court of Wards, this Afternoon, Two a Clock.

Conference.

Sir Will. Strode comes back from the Committee, to know, who shall make the Report.

Ordered, Sir Dud. Diggs and Sir Rob. Philips, shall make the Report to the House from this Conference.

Cloth Trade.

L. 1a. An Act for true Making of Woollen Cloths.

Exporting Wools, &c.

L. 1a. An Act against Exportation of Wools, Wool-fells, Woollen Yarn, Fullers Earth, and Fulling Clay.

Duchy of Cornwall.

L. 1a. An Act to enable the most excellent Prince Charles to make Leases of certain Lands, Parcel of his -

Blechingley Election.

Mr. Glandvyle offers a Report from the Committee of Privileges, concerning Blechingley, and Winchelsey. - Two Petitions from Blechingley: One Lovell pretended to be duly chosen; a cross Petition, that Mr. Lovell had miscarried himself. Sir Miles Fleetwood, double-returned, waved Blechingley: - To have him report to the House. - That the Going forth of the Warrant for Blechingley, till the Business be ended at the Committee -

Ordered, To be stayed, if not gone already.- -

Winchelsey Election.

Winchelsey also questioned. Sir Alexander Temple complained. No Opinion given at Committee; but proved by Three Witnesses, that Paul Weyman notably misdemeaned himself in this Business. - Fit, to have him sent for. -

Proved there, that never any Assembly to be there, under 24 Hours Warning: here Warning but over-night, against next Morning. - Kept them from Seven a Clock till Twelve, and would not read his Commission : After threatened them, and bade them be gone : Charged Sir Alexander Temple to be Popish, and allied to the Arch-recusants of England. Then, after this, they certified for Mr. Finch. Mayor got Sir Alex. Temple's Letters, broke them up, and concealed them. - The Committee thought fit, this Mayor should be sent for.

Mr. Nicolas: - To have him sent for by a Friend ; and not as a Delinquent.

Ordered, The Mayor of Winchelsey shall be sent for by a Messenger.

Inns;

Mr. Glandvyle prefers Two Bills, of Inns and Ostries;

Debts.

and another, for levying Debts in the Name of the King.

Women Felons.

L. 1a. An Act concerning Women convicted of small Felonies.

Inferior Courts.

L. 1. An . . for avoiding vexatious Delays, by removing Causes out of inferior Courts.

Customers.

Customers Fees, to be prepared.

Mich. Term.

L. 1a. An Act for the Abbreviation of Michaelmas Term.

Fines, &c.

L. 1. An Act against such, as shall levy any Fine,suffer any Recovery -

Possession.

L. 1. An Act to enable Justices of Peace to give Restitution of Possession in certain Cases.

Secret Offices, &c.

L. 1. An Act against secret Offices, and Inquisitions, to be taken on his Majesty's Behalf, to the Prejudice of his Subjects.

Inns.

L. 1a. An Act concerning new-erecting and Ordering of Inns.

Ostlers, &c.

L. 1a. An Act concerning Ostlers and Innholders.

Dr. Bargrave's Answer to Thanks.

Sir Arthur Ingram: - He, and another Member commanded by this House to give Thanks to D. Bargrave; and to desire him to put his Sermon - He returns humble Thanks to this House, for making choice of him: and will presently put his Sermon forth.

Debts.

L. 1a. An Act for Restraint of Abuses, in Levying of Debts for common Persons, in the Name, and under the Prerogative, of the King.

Assize of Bread.

Mr. Denny, Mr. Glandvyle, Mr. Weare, Mr. Whistler, Attorney Wards, Mr. Whitaker, Mr. Ducke, Mr. Banks, Mr. Whatman, Mr. Carvyle: These, or any Four of them, to bring in a Bill for the Assise of Bread of all Sorts.

Ingrossed Bills, &c.

The ingrossed Bills to be put to the Question of passing To-morrow : And other publick Bills to be secondly Reread To-morrow.

Monopolies.

Saturday, for the Bill of Monopolies, - same Place.

Private Bills.

Attorney Wards: To have some Time appointed in the Afternoon, to read private Bills.

Saturday next, and every Saturday, appointed to read the Bill of Continuances; and then to proceed with private Bills.

Abuse of Habeas Corpus.

Sir Eubele Theloall : - To have some appointed to draw a Bill against those - Sir Eubele Theloall, Attorney Wards, Mr. Banks, Mr. Bartlet, Mr. Denny, Mr. Whitakers, Serjeant Towse : Any Six of them, or any other Lawyers of the House, to draw a Bill against the Abuse of Habeas Corpus.