1170. January 1, 1787 Westminster Forum, Spring Gardens
'Which is more painful to a Woman of Sensibility, to be obliged to
marry the Man she dislikes, or debarred the man she loves?'
Morning Herald
1171. January 4, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which has been productive of more real injury to Society, Political or
Religious Prejudice?
The above subject opened so extensive a field for historical information,
it is hoped those Gentlemen who have stored their minds with this
useful science will avail themselves of this opportunity.'
The Question 'produced a most animated debate, replete with historical
information, which afforded much entertainment to a numerous and
polite audience of both sexes, particularly of ladies, which reflected the
highest credit on their taste: the question was determined against the
effects of religious prejudice almost unanimously.'
Gazetteer January 3
1172. January 4, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Which is more blameable, the man who deliberately seduces a female,
and then deserts her - or, the father who abandons his child so
seduced?'
Gazetteer
1173. January 8, 1787 Westminster Forum, Spring-Gardens
'Would not a resistance to the Measure of removing the Incumbrances
of the Heir Apparent, be a disgrace to Ministers, and an impeachment
of the characteristic liberality of the British Empire?'
Question, 'after a very animated debate, [was] unanimously decided in
the affirmative'.
Morning Herald
1174. January 11, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which is the more contemptible character, the surly old Batchelor, or
the peevish old Maid?'
The Question, 'after a most animated debate, before a crowded audience of both sexes, determined in favour of the old Maid'.
Gazetteer January 10
1175. January 11, 1787 Coach-Makers Hall Debating Society
'Which is more blameable, the man who deliberately seduces a female,
and then deserts her, or the father who abandons his daughter so
seduced?'
The discussion of the Question contained 'persuasive eloquence [which]
was laudably employed in the cause of virtue. Several young speakers
distinguished themselves on the occasion, proving their claims to the
flattering plaudits they received from a very numerous, polite, and liberal auditory. A majority fixed the greater blame on the Parent.
The managers trust, that every Gentleman who enters this assembly,
will perceive the propriety of submitting to the sense of the majority of
it, remembering that true liberty is to act as we ought, and that decorum
is the companion of good sense.
Upon these principles young speakers may rest assured of receiving
the most encouraging indulgence, from that disinterested candour and
liberality, which the audience at this society have ever manifested.'
Morning Herald
1176. January 15, 1787 Westminster Forum, Spring Gardens
'Which quality in a husband is most disagreeable, ill-founded jealousy,
stupidity, or neglect?'
Morning Herald
1177. January 18, 1787 Coach-makers Hall Debating Society
'Which more deserves our censure, the Divine, who for the sake of a
good Living, preaches a Doctrine he does not believe; or the Counsel,
who for a Fee, pleads a Cause he knows to be repugnant to Justice?'
Audience voted that the Divine was the most censurable.
Morning Herald
1178. January 18, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which is the most dangerous to the possessor, Wit in the Male, or
Beauty in the Female Sex?
The above question being of an interesting nature, it is expected much
entertainment will be derived from its discussion.'
The Question 'produced a most animated debate, replete with sound
argument, wit, and humour, and was attended by a numerous and polite
audience of both sexes; it was determined, that Beauty was more dangerous, by a considerable majority'.
Gazetteer January 24
1179. January 22, 1787 Surry Debating Society, Three Tuns Tavern,
St. Margaret Hill
'Which will more probably become a great Character in Society, the
Youth early introduced into Public Life, or he who is secluded from it
till the years of maturity?
As this Society will be conducted under the inspection of Gentlemen
of literary ability, to whom some of the most popular Speakers, both
of the Mitre and Coach-makers-hall Societies, have promised their
assistance; the Managers hope it will not be deemed unworthy the attention of those Ladies and Gentlemen who reside in, or near the Borough:
And beg leave to assure those who may honour it with their support,
that no subjects, either immoral, irreligious, indelicate, or trivial, shall
be introduced for discussion; but that their utmost efforts shall be
exerted in the selection of those questions, which may tend to enlighten
the understanding, and amend the heart, while they expand the
imagination and exercise the fancy.
A great majority determined, that the youth secluded from public life
till the years of maturity was the more likely to become a great
character. . .'
Gazetteer
1180. January 22, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Can the practice of DUELLING be justified by any circumstance in
Civilized Society?'
The World
1181. January 22, 1787 Theological Society, Brownlow Street, Drury
Lane
'Was universal redemption, by one act, intended by St. Paul?' 2 Thn.
ii, 6. 'Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.'
The World
1182. January 23, 1787 Mitre Tavern Society for Free Debate
'Is the Distress into which Men of Genius too often fall, more owing
to their own impudence, or a want of Patronage in the Public?
The above Meeting will be for the purpose of relieving a distressed
individual, formerly a member of the Robinhood and Queens-arms
Societies; the Gentlemen who support the Three Public Debating Societies have promised their assistance on this occasion. . . As the sum
generally paid for admission is only designed to defray the necessary
expence, tis thought expedient to make the admission for that evening
(only) ONE SHILLING, otherwise the distressed objected would reap
little advantage from it.'
Gazetteer January 22
1183. January 25, 1787 Mitre Tavern Society for Free Debate
'Which is more deserving censure, the Assassin who . . . the just punishment of the Law, or the Wretch who, from the motives of self-interest,
secretly ruins his Friend?'
The Question was 'after a most animated debate, replete with many
good arguments, determined against the false Friend'.
Gazetteer January 24
1184. January 25, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Do the vices and follies of mankind mostly proceed from too much
indulgence in early life, from an improper education afterwards, or
from the native temper and disposition of the mind?'
Debate decided that vices most from improper education.
Gazetteer
1185. January 29, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Are the calamities of the present reign more to be attributed to the
mal-administration of his Majesty's servants, or to the opposition made
to their measures in the House of Commons?
It was determined that the present calamities of the reign were more
attributable to his Majesty's Ministers than to the Opposition in the
House of Commons.'
Gazetteer
1186. January 29, 1787 Westminster Forum, Spring Gardens
'Ought the practice of duelling to be totally abolished, or permitted
within certain restrictions?'
The Question 'attracted a crowded house, and a polite assembly, when,
after the most argumentative and entertaining debate, that has ever
been witnessed in this institution, it was by a great majority given in
favour of the practice of duelling'.
Morning Herald February 5
1187. February 1, 1787 Mitre Tavern Society for Free Debate
'Which is the more disagreeable situation to a man of sensibility, to be
subject to the caprice of a Coquet before marriage, or to be obliged to
live with a Scold afterwards?
The above subject being of an interesting nature to the feeling of mankind, it is expected much entertainment will be given by the Chair to
young speakers, to make this institution a school for their improvement,
as well as for public entertainment.'
The Question 'after a most animated debate, before a numerous and
polite audience determined in favour of the Coquet'.
Gazetteer January 31
1188. February 1, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Are the Male or Female Sex more constant in Love?'
It was determined 'that the Female Sex are more constant in Love than
the Male'.
Morning Herald February 8
1189. February 5, 1787 Westminster Forum, Spring Gardens
'Whether absolute power in the hands of a wise Monarch be preferable
to the British system of Government, under the perversion of a corrupt
Parliament?
This question has been communicated to the conductors of this institution by a Member of Parliament. . .'
The Question was, 'after an ingenious and truly entertaining debate,
decided in favour' of the British system.
Morning Herald
1190. February 5, 1787 Surrey Debating Society
'Which is the greater domestic evil, a drunken husband or a scolding
wife?'
It was determined that the scolding wife was the greater evil.
Gazetteer
1191. February 8, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Is the opinion of Mr. Fox, that the jealousies and prejudices which
animated and directed the Councils of our Ancestors ought still to exist,
and continue to be cherished against France, consistent with the Political and Commercial Interest of this Country?
This popular Society, universally allowed to be a most rational entertainment, as well as a school of eloquence for young Gentlemen, will,
it is hoped, be attended by the real friends of their country, in which
its interest is materially concerned.'
Morning Herald
1192. February 8, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Does that Infamy which follows a Female's first deviation from Chastity, operate more to keep the sex Virtuous; or to render the Seduced
more desperate in Vice?
The above subject having for its object the cause which too fatally leads
to female ruin, it will of course be considered highly deserving public
attention.
The Question was, after a most animated debate, before a crowded
audience, determined that it made them more desperate in vice.'
Morning Herald
1193. February 12, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Whether the British system of Government under the perversion of a
corrupt Parliament, be preferable to absolute Power, in the hands of a
wise Sovereign?'
Question decided in favour of the former.
Morning Herald February 19
1194. February 12, 1787 Surrey Debating Society
'Have the Doctrines of Christianity been enlightened, or the Morals
of the People amended, by the introduction of Methodism into this
Country?
As it has been a matter of complaint from several respectable characters
among the Methodists, that they are seldom brought forward fairly in
public debates, but generally yoked with the most detestable characters,
whereby their opponents take the advantage of criminating them by
comparison, the Managers of this Society have, at the request of a
gentlemen of well-known public abilities among that sect, instigated this
enquiry; and hope they have thereby steered clear of enthusiasm on
the one hand, or illiberality on the other.'
Gazetteer February 10
1195. February 15, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which by their Conduct have discovered the greater share of Ability
and public Spirit, the Persons at present in Power, or those in
Opposition?'
The Question 'was debated before a large and respectable audience, of
both sexes; - when, after a most spirited and animated debate, wherein
many striking errors on the part of Administration were pointed out, it
was determined, by a very great majority, in favour of the Opposition'.
Morning Herald
1196. February 15, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Which is more censurable, the Female who is vain of her Beauty, or
the Man who is proud of his Learning?'
The Question was decided 'by a great majority, that the man' was more
censurable.
Morning Herald
1197. February 19, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Large Room, Three
Tuns Tavern, St. Margaret's Hill
'Have the Doctrines of Christianity been enlightened, or the Morals of
the people amended by the introduction of METHODISM into this
country?'
Question 'was decided in favour of the Methodists'.
Gazetteer February 17
1198. February 19, 1787 Westminster Forum, Spring Garden
'Which is the more reprehensible in a seduced Female, deserted by her
Lover and Friends, Suicide or Prostitution?
The rising eminence of this Society is an unequivocal proof of the entertainment it constantly affords; graced on all occasions by the presence
of an amiable and elegant part of the fair sex, and honoured by the
frequent attendance of persons of rank and fashion, it has become as
much an object of public patronage, as of private conversation.'
At this debate 'every person present testified their approbation to the
several arguments adduced, and after hearing a considerable display of
ingenuity on both sides of the question, they decided, that Prostitution
is the more to be condemned.'
Morning Herald
1199. February 22, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Is an English Boarding School, or a French Convent, the more eligible
for the education of young Ladies?
The education of the female sex is acknowledged to be an object of the
greatest importance to their future happiness in life. A public discussion, therefore, of a subject of such magnitude, will doubtless meet the
approbation of the numerous friends of this liberal institution.'
Morning Herald
1200. February 22, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which is the most desirable in a Wife, - Wit, Beauty, or Good-nature?'
The Question 'produced a most spirited debate, and was attended by a
crowded and polite audience of Ladies and Gentlemen. Several
Speakers distinguished themselves much, particularly a young Gentleman, who declared it his first essay, who delivered a speech of considerable length, replete with sound argument, and an excellent flow of
reasoning; though some of the first talents were employed in behalf of
wit (and little or nothing said in favour of beauty) such were the strong
prepossessions in behalf of good-nature, that it was carried in its favour
by a great majority.'
Gazetteer February 28
1201. February 26, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Whether Dramatic Entertainments tend to improve or dissipate the
Morals of Youth: - and is the licensing Mr. Palmer's Theatre, to be
applauded or censured?
By the particular Desire of several Gentlemen of eminence in the literary world, the above question stands for discussion This Evening; - and
it is requested, that young Gentlemen will not suffer themselves to be
intimidated in the delivery of their sentiments, as the liberality which
has continually appeared in the persons who have composed this
Assembly, has always removed the scruples which young speakers are
apt to entertain.'
Morning Herald
1202. February 26, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Which it to be preferred for a Wife, an old Maid, or a Widow?'
Majority decided that a widow was preferable.
Gazetteer
1203. March 1, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Whether the decrease of Mr. Pitt's popularity was owing to his maladministration, or the caprice of the people?'
The Question 'was determined against him by a great majority'.
Morning Herald March 8
1204. March 1, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Is an English Boarding School, or a French Convent, the more eligible
for the education of young Ladies?
It was decided . . . by a considerable majority that the English boarding
school is more eligible.'
Gazetteer March 8
1205. March 5, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Which is the most injurious character to Society, a knavish attorney,
an illiterate school-master, or the keeper of an insurance lottery-office?'
It was determined against the knavish attorney.
Gazetteer March 3
1206. March 8, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Ought not the word OBEY to be struck out of the Marriage
ceremony?'
The Question 'was debated before a most crowded and brilliant audience of both sexes, who testified the highest satisfaction at the entertainment it produced. Many Gentlemen distinguished themselves on the
occasion; a sound argument, wit, and humour, were successfully
blended throughout the whole - when, after all parties had exerted
themselves with much honour and credit to themselves, the audience,
by a shew of hands, determined that the word OBEY ought to continue
in the Marriage Ceremony.'
Gazetteer March 14
1207. March 8, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Which would be more disagreeable to a lady of fine sensibility, to be
compelled to marry the most aukward rustick, or the compleat modern
fop?
The managers feel themselves highly honoured by the numerous questions of a political, moral and sentimental nature, they have received
from the public, accompanied with the warmest eulogiums on the liberality and utility of this institution. No pains will be spared to secure a
continuance of this approbation by the maintenance of good order, and
the selection of such questions only as lead to mental improvement,
mingled with entertainment.'
It was decided that a complete fop is most repugnant.
Gazetteer
1208. March 12, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Has Love or Money most influence in forming the Matrimonial
Connection?'
It was determined 'by a crouded and polite assembly, that love is a
greater inducement to marriage than riches'.
Gazetteer March 10
1209. March 12, 1787 The Ancient London Society for Free Debate,
lately the Theological, held at the Queen's Arms Tavern, Newgate
Street
'Was the opposition of Lord George Gordon to the Mandate of the
Ecclesiastical Court consistent with the Character of a Christian, or a
Patriot?
The Managers of this Society, at the repeated solicitations of many
respectable characters, have now agreed to resume their Weekly Deliberations. The utility and importance of such an institution, conduced
on liberal principles, is so apparent, that they flatter themselves it is
unnecessary here to enumerate its various advantages.'
Gazetteer
1210. March 15, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which by his public conduct has most deserved censure, Lord North,
Mr. Fox, or Mr. Pitt?
The Managers hear, with concern, that above a hundred Ladies and
Gentlemen were prevented getting in last Thursday evening for want
of room. . .'
In the debate 'several warm advocates stood forward for all three of
the characters; but the chief of the arguments were directed against
Lord North and Mr. Pitt; and on the shew of hands it was determined
against the former by a considerable majority.'
Gazetteer March 14
1211. March 15, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Is the sentiment of Dr. Johnson founded in truth, That neither education nor reason secures the female sex against the influence of example,
but that they are for the most part good or bad, as they fall among
those who practice vice or virtue?'
It was decided that Dr. Johnson's opinion is founded in truth.
Gazetteer
1212. March 19, 1787 Westminster Forum
WAYS AND MEANS
'Budget of Taxes, to be brought forward by the Chancellor of the Utopian Exchequer, at the Westminster Forum, Spring Gardens, this present
evening . . . pursuant to his intimation on a former night, resolve the
House into a Committee, for the purpose of taking into consideration
the present state of the Utopian Revenue; when, to make good its deficiencies, the following taxes will be submitted for general investigation:
Courting Licences Second Marriages
Snuff-takers Smoakers
Smoak Beautiful Women
Men Milliners Female false Protuberances
The proceedings of the Forum will be conduced on this occasion
according to the usage of a great assembly, but they hope to claim a
distinction, from their superior politeness and decorum.'
Morning Herald
1213. March 19, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Would it be consistent with the safety of the British constitution to
allow the Roman Catholics and Dissenters of every denomination the
same privileges enjoyed by the members of the Church of England?
The above question is brought forward at the request of a dignitary in
the Catholic communion.'
The Question was 'determined in favour of Dissenters of every denomination; but carried against the Roman Catholics.'
Gazetteer
1214. March 22, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which must be the more dreadful reflection to a Father, to have a
seduced Daughter exist by Prostitution, or commit an act of Suicide?'
Gazetteer March 21
1215. March 22, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Which is more injurious to Family Prosperity, a Careless Indolent Husband, or a Wasteful Extravagant Wife?
Flattered by the very polite and numerous assemblage of Ladies, with
whose presence this Society is constantly honoured, and by whom many
questions of a moral and sentimental nature have been proposed, the
Managers take permission to assure them, that the most respectful
attention will be taken to every subject Female Generosity can suggest;
and that no exertions will be wanting to secure a continuance of that
strict order and decorum, which it is hoped will never be absent in an
audience, of which Females compose a part.'
Audience decided that an indolent husband was worse.
Gazetteer
1216. March 26, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Which is the greater affliction to a man of sensibility, the loss of a good
wife, or the plague of a bad one?'
Determined that the plague of a bad wife was the greater affliction.
Gazetteer March 24
1217. March 26, 1787 Ancient London Debating Society
'Which is most injurious to the possessor, forwardness in the female,
or bashfulness in the male sex?'
It was thought forwardness is more injurious in the female sex.
Gazetteer April 2
1218. March 26, 1787 Westminster Forum
WAYS AND MEANS
'The Chancellor, of the Utopian Exchequer, in the presence of a very
crowded House . . . brought forward his budget of taxes, and having
taken his seat at the Treasury Bench, the Chairman of the Committee
read the order of the day, when the Utopian Chancellor rose, and began
by lamenting the necessity of serving fresh burthens on the people, but
assured the House at the same time, that the exigency of the state still
rendered extraordinary exertion necessary, in order to renovate to its
former splendour and prosperity the Utopian Empire. The taxes which
were negatived, were Courting Licenses and Smoak; and those carried
in the affirmative, were Men-milliners and Snuff-takers. The House
broke up at ten o'clock, and agreed to take the remainder of the budget
into consideration this evening, viz.
Musical Amateurs Beautiful Women
Dancers Second Marriages
Smokers Female False Protuberances'
Morning Herald
1219. March 29, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Whether is the Husband or the Wife more disgraced, when the Wife
assumes the government over her Husband?'
Wife more blameable.
Morning Herald April 5
1220. April 2, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Do Theatrical Entertainments tend more to improve or deprave the
Morals of Mankind?'
Question determined in favour of the theatres.
Gazetteer March 31
1221. April 2, 1787 Ancient London Debating Society, Queen's Arms
Tavern, Newgate Street
'Have Administration by instituting the Board of Controul, and abolishing Trials by Jury, proved themselves enemies to British Liberty?'
Gazetteer
1222. April 5, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'With whom would a woman of sense be likely to be most happy with;
married to the man that loved her, but that she disliked, or the man
she loved, but who disliked her?'
Decided that 'woman of sense was more likely to be happy with the
man that loved her.'
Morning Herald April 12
1223. April 5, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Whether it is not a duty the Dissenters owe themselves as subjects of
a free Country, to renew their application to Parliament, for the repeal
of the Sacramental clauses in the Corporation and Test Acts?
It is the wish of several respectable Gentlemen in the dissenting interest,
that the above question should undergo a liberal discussion . . . they
throw down the gauntlet to the enemies of the Repeal of the Sacramental test, and meet them in the fair field of argumentation: impartiality, order and decorum therefore it is hoped will characterize every
person who may attend on this occasion.
The most respectable characters both in the Dissenting interest and of
the establishment, honoured this Society with their presence. . . The
audience, sensible of the importance of the subject, expressed their
desire of its being adjourned till this evening, when it is hoped that
every Gentleman of abilities, animated with a desire to promote the
real interest of society, will avail himself of the liberty this institution
affords, freely to deliver his opinion.'
Morning Herald
1224. April 9, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Is there any Probability of Happiness by a Marriage between an Old
Maid and an Old Batchelor?'
The Question was decided in the affirmative.
Gazetteer April 7
1225. April 9, 1787 [Ancient London Debating Society] Queen's Arms
Tavern, Newgate Street
'Which is the stronger basis of friendship, similarity of disposition, or
reciprocity of interest?'
The Question 'was determined by a great majority in favour of the
former. The Society take this opportunity of acknowledging their
obligation for the great information they received upon the subject from
the ingenious visitors who spoke in the course of the debate.'
Gazetteer April 16
1226. April 12, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Do the measures at present carried on against Mr. Hastings in the
House of Commons, originate in private pique or public justice?'
The Question 'after affording a most animated debate, in which several
distinguished characters took a part, was determined that the persons
who have preferred the prosecution against Mr. Hastings are actuated
by public justice and not private pique.'
Gazetteer April 18
1227. April 12, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Is it not a duty the Dissenters owe to themselves as subjects of a free
Country, to renew their applications to Parliament, for the repeal of
the Sacramental clauses in the Corporation and Test Acts?'
Debate decided in the affirmative.
Morning Herald
1228. April 16, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Which Character is to be preferred by a Lady for a Husband, the Man
of Wit, Courage or Politeness?'
Gazetteer April 14
1229. April 16, 1787 [Ancient London Debating Society] Queen's Arms
Tavern, Newgate Street
'Is the present alarming increase of divorces to be attributed more to
neglect in the male, or levity in the female sex?'
Gazetteer
1230. April 16, 1787 Theological Society, Holborn Hill
'Are the Torments of Hell Eternal?
The Proprietors having nothing in view, but to promote religious knowledge, piety and virtue among themselves and others, and not any pecuniary advantage.
Admission is only two-pence.'
Gazetteer
1231. April 19, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Which is the more blameable conduct in parents towards their children,
severity or indulgence?
As the manners in which parents conduct themselves towards their children contribute to make them in a great measure the characters they
afterwards fill in life, it is expected much entertainment, as well as
moral improvement, will be derived from its discussion.
Every encouragement will be given to those gentlemen who are not in
the habit of public speaking, as this society is intended for their practice
and improvement.'
Gazetteer April 18
1232. April 19, 1787 Coachmakers hall
'Are the letters of the late Lord Chesterfield to his Son more injurious
to the Morals of the Youth of the Male Sex, or the Reading of Novels
to the Female Sex?'
Determined that reading Lord Chesterfield most injurious.
Morning Post
1233. April 23, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Is it not a Duty the Dissenters owe to themselves, as subjects of a free
country to renew their application to Parliament for a repeal of the
sacramental clauses in the Corporation and Test Acts?
It is hoped the necessity of accompanying candour, order, and decorum,
with the freedom of debate, on a question of material concern to every
British subject, will be felt by Gentlemen on both sides.'
Gazetteer April 21
1234. April 26, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Ought a Husband to be despised for the infidelity of his Wife?'
The Question was 'determined that the Husband ought not to be
despised. . .'
Morning Herald May 3
1235. April 26, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Is it expedient to imprison people for Debt?'
The Question 'was productive of a very instructive debate, in which
several young Law Students took a part, whose speeches afforded the
most flattering prospects of their future eminence in that learned profession. The decision was doubtful, but it appeared to the President, to
be in favour of Imprisonment for Debt.'
Morning Herald May 3
1236. April 30, 1787 Surry Debating Society
'Which is more injurious to domestic felicity, jealousy on the part of
the husband, or inconstancy on the part of the wife?'
Gazetteer
1237. May 3, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Would it reflect Credit, or Disgrace on the Minister to oppose the
present Motion in the House of Commons, for Relief of the Heir
Apparent?'
The Question led 'to a most spirited debate which continued 'till near
Eleven o'Clock, before a crowded and brilliant audience'. Decided that
Minister would deserve censure if he opposed motion.
Morning Herald
1238. May 3, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Whether it is more dangerous to Female Virtue, for the Fair Sex to
repose too much confidence in their own, or the Male Sex?
As several of the most celebrated writers have made the above question
a subject of their deliberations, it is presumed it will meet the approbation of the polite and respectable assembly, with whose presence this
institution is constantly honoured.'
It was decided 'that the Fair Sex ought to repose less confidence in the
male than in their own sex'.
Morning Herald
1239. May 10, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Would it have been consistent with the safety of the British constitution, for the Legislature to have complied with the late Petition of the
Dissenters for the repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts?'
The debate 'determined that the Test Act ought not to be repealed'.
Morning Herald
1240. May 10, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Whether it is a greater crime for a man to seduce the wife or unmarried
daughter of his friend?'
It was decided '(almost unanimously) that it is a greater crime to seduce
the wife of a friend, than his unmarried daughter'.
Morning Herald
1241. May 17, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Is it not necessary for the preservation of the constitution of this country, that a reform should take place in the representation of the people,
and the duration of Parliament?
It was at length determined, by a small majority, against any alteration,
at present, taking place in Parliament.'
Morning Herald
1242. May 17, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
(Messrs. FOX and BURKE)
'Is it more desirable that Messrs. Fox and Burke should be entrusted
with a share of the government of this country - or continue out of
office, as a check upon administration?'
Morning Herald
1243. May 24, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Is the Opinion of Lord Chesterfield true, that the Reputation of Veracity is more necessary in a Man, than that of Chastity in a Woman?'
Morning Herald May 23
1244. May 24, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Is it more desirable that Messrs. Fox and Burke should be entrusted
with a share of the government of this country - or continue out of
office, as a check upon administration?'
The debate decided against the admission of Fox and Burke to
government.
Gazetteer
1245. May 31, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Which is more likely to produce conjugal unhappiness, too early or
too late Marriages?'
Morning Herald June 14
1246. June 7, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Which is more likely to produce conjugal unhappiness, too early or
too late Marriages?
So immediately concerned have a number of Gentlemen considered
themselves in the discussion of the above question, that the time alloted
for debate in two evenings, has been found too short to hear many, in
whose minds the cacoethes loquendi has been excited.'
Morning Herald June 14
1247. June 14, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Which is more likely to produce conjugal unhappiness, too early or
too late Marriages?'
Morning Herald
1248. September 3, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Have the Managers of the Theatres Royal forfeited their claim to
Public Patronage, by their Opposition to the Royalty Theatre?
The opposition to Mr. Palmer is by some considered as replete with
the illiberal spirit of monopoly, while others consider it as only a justifiable and necessary restraint, and a proper vindication of a prudent law.
This is a public cause, and should be publicly decided. . .
The Question, after a display of spirited eloquence, was almost unanimously decided in the affirmative.'
The World September 1
1249. September 6, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Does the conduct of the licensed Managers towards the Royalty
theatre, merit the censure of the public?'
The Question was decided in the affirmative.
This Society is 'an Institution calculated to prevent the Loss and Misapplication of Time, by providing for the leisure hours of both Sexes an
entertainment calculated to instruct and lead the Mind to Reflection.'
Morning Herald September 13
1250. September 6, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Who has done most political injury to the cause of liberty?'
It was decided 'that the reputed patriots of the present reign, had done
more injury than service to the cause of liberty'.
Morning Herald September 13
1251. September 10, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Is the Law which prevents the ROYAL FAMILY from MARRYING
without the consent of PARLIAMENT, founded in Justice and sound
Policy?'
The World September 8
1252. September 10, 1787 Westminster School of Eloquence, Panton
Street, Haymarket
'Which of the three characters has rendered the most essential service
to his country, Lord Heathfield [General Elliot] as a Warrior, Mr. Pitt
as a Minister, or Mr. Fox as a Patriotic Senator?
The liberty of Public Debate is the envied privilege of this distinguished
nation; the bulwark of a free people. Those who feel the laudable ambition of acquiring the art of public speaking, will find this Society calculated to facilitate that useful and admired accomplishment. A free
enquiry after truth, naturally tends to liberate the mind from pernicious
prejudices; to expand and warm the heart with benevolence. In the
variety of subjects that meet discussion, the treasured wisdom of departed Philosophers, Divines and Moralists, is explored and brought to
public view, while the thoughtless imperceptibly receive instruction
mingled with entertainment.
It was determined by a small majority that Mr. Fox had rendered the
most essential services to his country.'
The World
1253. September 13, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Is it not dangerous to the constitutional Liberties of the Subject to
preclude a Jury from judging of the Law in Cases of Libel?
The above question concerns the life, liberty and property of every
British subject. Its importance will doubtless animate the friends of the
constitution to speak their sentiments upon it with that freedom which
this Society, designed to cherish the laudable ambition of public
speaking, affords to every man.'
The question was decided in the affirmative.
Morning Herald
1254. September 13, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Is it probable that the shutting up every place of public entertainment
on the Sunday, will produce the good effects designed by his Majesty's
late Proclamation?'
Morning Herald
1255. September 17, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Are not the ROMAN CATHOLICS, in consequence of their behaviour since the last Act of Parliament passed in their favour, entitled to
the same privileges as the PROTESTANT DISSENTERS?'
The World September 15
1256. September 17, 1787 Westminster School of Eloquence
'Is not the assertion of the late Lord Chesterfield, that every Woman,
who is not absolutely ugly, thinks herself handsome, a libel upon the
Sex?
It was decided . . . that Lord Chesterfield's opinion of the Fair Sex, is
fallacious.'
The World
1257. September 20, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Which has greater Influence upon the Actions of Mankind, the Hope
of Good, or the Fear of Evil?'
Debate decided mankind more moved by hope of good.
Gazetteer September 19
1258. September 24, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Are not the ROMAN CATHOLICS, in consequence of their behaviour since the last Act of Parliament passed in their favour, entitled to
the same privileges as the PROTESTANT DISSENTERS?
By a very small majority, determined in favour of the Roman
Catholics.'
The World September 22
1259. September 24, 1787 Westminster School of Eloquence
'Which are more deserving Public Censure, Messrs. Palmer and
Bannister, by withdrawing themselves from Drury-lane; or the Licenced
Managers, in their opposition to the Royalty Theatre?'
Decided almost unanimously in favour of Palmer and Bannister.
The World
1260. September 27, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Have Messrs. Palmer and Banister acted with Propriety in withdrawing
themselves from the Theatre Royal in Drury Lane?'
Question answered in the affirmative.
Gazetteer September 26
1261. October 1, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Can the Necessity of the State, at the approach of War, justify the
issuing of Press-Warrants?
It is but just to declare the discussion was doubtful.'
The World September 29
1262. October 3, 1787 Westminster School of Eloquence
'Which has proved himself the most firm and constant friend to the civil
and religious liberties of this country, Alderman Wilkes or Mr. Fox?
Men of the public prints having pointedly accused Mr. Wilkes of
deserting those patriotic principles, which raised him to the summit of
popularity, the friends of that once celebrated character will have a fair
opportunity of vindicating his public conduct: - at the same time those
Gentlemen, who are advocates for the consistency of Mr. Fox, may
obviate the charges of inconsistency, so frequently brought against that
great statesman.'
The World
1263. October 4, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Can Friendship subsist among Young Persons of the Two Sexes, without being accompanied by the Passion of Love?'
Question answered in the affirmative.
Gazetteer October 11
1264. October 8, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Would it increase the happiness of the Marriage State, if Divorces were
more easily obtained?
The preference given to the above Question is presumed to be a satisfactory answer to the letter lately sent by a Lady accusing the Managers
with negligence to the interest of the Fair Sex.'
The World October 6
1265. October 11, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
(FOX against FRANCE)
'Has not the conduct of France afforded sufficient proof of the truth of
Mr. Fox's assertion in the House of Commons, that Great Britain ought
ever to cherish a jealousy and distrust against that Country?
Every question with which the Managers have been favoured, which is
correspondent with their plan of rendering this Society a mingled source
of refined entertainment, and intellectual improvement, will receive due
respect - to young speakers, who may be desirous to address a British
audience on the above question, every encouraging support will be
given.'
Gazetteer
1266. October 18, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Has not the conduct of France afforded sufficient proof of the truth of
Mr. Fox's assertion in the House of Commons, that Great Britain ought
ever to cherish a jealousy and distrust against that Country?'
Mr. Fox's assertion was declared justified almost unanimously.
Gazetteer October 17
1267. October 25, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'In which Cause is it most noble for a man to Die? In saving the life of
an affectionate Mother, A friend who has saved him from Ruin, or in
the Defense of the Liberties of his Country?'
A considerable majority voted that it was most noble to die for one's
country.
Gazetteer October 24
1268. October 29, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Was it worthy of Admiration in the Romans to sacrifice Social Duties
and Family Affection to Patriotism and Public Spirit?
It was decided by a great majority in favour of the Romans.'
The World
1269. November 1, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Has Lord George Gordon . . . created more confusion in London and
its environs?'
It was 'determined unanimously' that Lord George Gordon had created
most confusion.
Morning Herald November 8
1270. November 1, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'May the encrease of Female Prostitution be imputed more to the
treachery and falsehood of the Male Sex; or the misconduct of Parents
in giving their Daughters an improper Education?
The audience considered this Question as it really is, a subject of infinite
importance to the well-being of the community, and expressed the highest satisfaction, at the very able and becoming manner in which it was
argued by the speakers on both sides.' It was adjourned.
Morning Herald November 8
1271. November 5, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Admitting the characters of Charles and Joseph Surface in the School
for Scandal to be real, would not Charles be the more dangerous
Member of Society?
The Comedy from which the above Question is taken, stands first upon
the list of modern dramatic writings. The characters of Charles and
Joseph are happily drawn. Heedless extravagance and inattention,
almost utterly subversive of morality and inattention, are the leading
features of the one; consummate hypocrisy, and a determined contempt
of all social feelings, eminently distinguish the other. Notwithstanding
the favour with which Charles is generally received, it has ever remained
a doubt with the discerning few, whether the hypocrite is not less dangerous to society.'
The World
1272. November 8, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
(CATO, WERTER, or EUGENE ARAM)
'In which situation is an act of Suicide, most entitled to our compassion;
the deserted Patriot, the despairing Lover, or the condemned
Criminal?'
Morning Herald
1273. November 8, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'May the encrease of Female Prostitution be imputed more to the
treachery and falsehood of the Male Sex; or the misconduct of Parents
in giving their Daughters an improper Education?'
Debate found prostitution due to improper education.
Gazetteer November 7
1274. November 12, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Admitting the characters of Charles and Joseph Surface in the School
for Scandal to be real, would not Charles be the more dangerous
Member of Society?'
The World
1275. November 15, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Has the conduct of Mr. Pitt as a minister been more consistent with
the patriotic spirit and principles of the late Earl of Chatham or the
Politics of the Earl of Bute?'
Gazetteer November 14
1276. November 19, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Would it not reflect honour on Mr. Pitt, to impose an additional Tax
upon every Batchelor above the age of forty, and apply the produce
thereof as marriage portions to poor young maidens?
The above Question was conveyed to the Managers of this Society in a
letter, signed by a considerable number of married men, stating, that
as Old Batchelors do not sustain an equal share with them of the
burthen of the State, and as their celibacy is a principal cause of the
misery and incontinence of many of the female sex, it is fit that the
sense of the public should be taken upon the expediency of the above
Tax.'
The World
1277. November 22, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Is Jealousy a Proof of Love, or of an ignoble Mind?'
Determined that Jealousy proof of ignoble mind.
Gazetteer November 29
1278. November 22, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Has the conduct of Mr. Pitt as a minister been more consistent with
the patriotic spirit and principles of the late Earl of Chatham or the
Politics of the Earl of Bute?'
Decided in favour of Administration.
Gazetteer November 29
1279. November 29, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Is that opinion founded in Truth, which says, a Minister of this Country
ought to have Influence sufficient to secure a Majority in the House of
Commons?'
Question determined in the negative.
Morning Herald December 6
1280. November 29, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Is the virtue of the Fair Sex more endangered by the influence of
Vanity, Love, or Avarice?'
Decided in favour of Vanity.
Morning Herald December 6
1281. December 4, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Is Jealousy a Proof of Love?'
The 'decision was almost unanimously in the negative.'
Morning Herald December 10
1282. December 6, 1787 Society for Free Debate, Mitre Tavern
'Is it a Duty incumbent on all Mankind, to enter into the State of
Wedlock?
This subject was sent to the Managers, in a Letter, from three Ladies
and a Gentleman, who are particularly interested in its discussion. . .'
Society moving to Capel-court, Bartholemew-lane, and to be called the
London Debating Society.
Morning Herald
1283. December 6, 1787 Coachmakers Hall Debating Society
'Which has the greater Claim to our pity, the Female who has lost an
affectionate Husband, or she who is married to one who is cruel and
perfidious?'
Question sent by 'a Lady, signing herself "A Disconsolate Widow" . . .
Whatever concerns the Female Sex must be allowed to have a serious
claim to public attention; and the discussion of the above Questions
may be productive of arguments tending to alleviate misfortune on the
one hand, and of Sentiments of Prudence and Morality, that may in
some measure prevent the Female Sex from falling into a painful situation on the other.'
Decided that 'to be united in wedlock to a husband cruel and perfidious
is a greater misfortune than the loss of one kind and affectionate.'
Gazetteer December 13
1284. December 10, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Has the parliamentary conduct of Mr. Fox, in admonishing Administration against the treachery and infidelity of France, or the measures
lately adopted by Mr. Pitt, in consequence of the politics of that country, exhibited the greater proof of their wisdom as Statesmen?
The political situation of Great Britain, at the present important period,
must render this subject highly interesting, and well worthy the inquiry
of every well-wisher to his country; the managers of this institution
therefore have every reason to suppose that some distinguished abilities
will be exerted on the occasion; and they hope that no persons will
decline, from diffidence or intimidation, to deliver their opinions, as
that candour and indulgence which youth and inexperience have a claim
to, are always liberally shewn, and constant attention is paid to the
preservation of good order and decorum.'
Morning Herald
1285. December 12, 1787 Westminster School of Eloquence
A question on which quality most recommends a lady to a husband.
'Determined that Riches will more probably recommend a Lady to a
Husband.'
The World December 19
1286. December 13, 1787 Free Debate, The Original London Society,
removed from the Mitre Tavern, Fleet Street, to a commodious Room,
in Capel-court, Bartholemew-lane
'Which is a more disagreeable companion, a Peevish Old Maid or a
Crusty Old Batchelor?'
Determined that Old Maid was more disagreeable.
Gazetteer December 19
1287. December 13, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'Is the present alarming increase of Perjury mostly to be imputed to the
neglect of moral instruction and example in the Clergy, to the artifices of
bad Lawyers, or the careless manner in which Oaths are administered?'
Debate decided that perjury due to bad lawyers.
Gazetteer
1288. December 19, 1787 Westminster School of Eloquence
'Do the Comforts of Matrimony counterbalance its Cares?
The Recital of this Evening will be Mr. Pope's Elegy upon an Unfortunate Young Lady.'
The World
1289. December 20, 1787 Free Debate, Capel Court
'Would it not increase the popularity of Mr. Pitt to repeal the Shop
Tax, and supply the deficiencies it might occasion, by a Stamp Duty
upon Tickets for Conventicles, and an obligation for Methodist
Teachers to take out Annual Licenses?'
The Question 'was determined unanimously against Ministers laying
any restrictions upon the Sectaries'.
Gazetteer December 19
1290. December 20, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
'May a Man, consistent with justice, though destitute of Family and
Fortune, marry a Lady in possession of both?'
Answer in the affirmative.
Gazetteer December 27
1291. December 24, 1787 Westminster Forum
'Is it consistent with Female Delicacy, for an ACTRESS to appear on
the STAGE in the DRESS of a Man?'
It was decided, 'that an Actress may, consistently with Female delicacy,
appear on the Stage in the dress of a man'.
The World December 22
1292. December 26, 1787 Westminster School of Eloquence
'Which is the greater Criminal, the Villain who robs an innocent Man
of his Reputation - or the Seducer who deprives an unsuspecting
Female of her Virtue?
Prior to the Debate, Collin's Ode on the Passions will be recited.
N.B. In answer to the letter signed "One who wishes to attend the
School of Eloquence", the Managers only request his attendance to
satisfy his scruples, and he will then be convinced that the species of
double entendre, of which he complains, is banished at the School of
Eloquence.'
The World
1293. December 27, 1787 Free Debate, Capel Court
'Would making the education of youth a national concern, be to the
rising generation productive of the glorious consequence attributed to
that plan by the late Dr. Goldsmith?
As education alone constitutes the distinctions in our riper years, and
as the affection of parents too frequently counteracts the best precepts
of tuition; several gentlemen of distinguished abilities have requested
the above subject being brought forward, and as it is of a national
importance much entertainment may be expected from its discussion.'
Gazetteer December 26
1294. December 27, 1787 Coachmakers Hall
BY DESIRE OF AN UNFORTUNATE YOUNG LADY
'Does not the Man who abandons an amiable Wife and Family to Poverty and Distress deserve the punishment of Death equally with him
who has violated the Laws of his Country?'
It was decided 'that the husband abandoning his wife and family to
poverty, is equally criminal with him who has violated the municipal
laws'.