Monday, June 17.
Mr Powle reports the Charge of the Navy, Ordnance, and
Mr Pepys.] I rise to let the House know, that I am
ready to give them satisfaction as to any further enquiry.
I'll go no farther now, but wait the steps of the House,
in any thing they shall ask me.
Colonel Birch.] If I durst speak Latin, I would much
rather say, this House does give this money ex dono, than
ex debito. I would have it a memorial in your books,
how things of the Navy are now given in, viz. 60,000l.
in value, in stores for the Navy, besides what has been
used upon reparation of ships.
Sir William Coventry.] This is a small sum, not worth
spending your time about, that Pepys offers, &c. Now
the Fleet is in good repair, and fitted for service, there
is over and above 60,000l. I would make this use of it,
not to put the ships back again from this condition, but
let it be entered upon your books, &c. In one Session it
was said, "That the Navy was a lame arm to beg with."
But "that lame arm" is now cured, and I would have
all the people know it, that henceforward the Navy, being in this condition, may be kept on by the officers.
I fear the hopes of your repairing it have brought this
negligence of the Navy to this pass. Let it be this day
entered in your books, "That the Navy is in this condition and order fitted, with 60,000l. in stores."
Mr Pepys.] I would not be thought to say a new thing,
a fresh suggestion, to mislead you. I end with what Coventry moved, to let this be made matter of record. Another
little word I must add: There is 22,000l. "in contract"
for stores, which was comprehended in the sum demanded in
Mr Garroway.] That little word of Pepys's, neither
bought nor sold, but "contracted" for stores. Let this
be asserted, and clear, and I'll give my consent to the
rest, "That there are stores for ninety ships."
Mr Powle.] In this we do but pay the deficiency of
the Navy, supplied by former Grants.
The Sum of the Report was, That upon the disbursement of
the 200,000l. borrowed upon the Excise, the Committee found
that there had been borrowed, and applied to the extraordinary
charge of the Navy and Ordnance, 150,078l. 4s. 2d. But the
Officers of the Navy and Ordnance affirming the accounts they had
shown to the Committee, to the House, it seemed to some, that
there was 160,000l. expended upon the Navy alone, though
others did not see it. So that the House divided upon the Question, and it was carried by eight voices, [139 to 131,] That
the former were in the right. After which, the Officers of the
Ordnance made it out, that there was expended by them 40,000l.
[which was borrowed upon the credit of the additional Excise.]
Upon which the House divided, and the account was allowed by
seven voices, [149 to 142.]
Tuesday, June 18.
His Majesty, in the Lords House, spoke to this effect:
"That the season requiring a recess by the middle of next
month, it was convenient that he and his Parliament should
part fairly, and with a perfect confidence towards one another:
That therefore he should open his Heart freely to them: That a
Peace was ready to be determined; at least as to Spain and Holland; in which his part would be not only that of a Mediator,
but Guarantee: That Spain, moreover, demanded of him to be at
the charge of maintaining Flanders, even after the Peace: That
this would oblige him to keep up his Navy; and called for some
assurance to the world, that we were well united at home: That
though the House of Commons might perhaps think such a
Peace as ill a bargain as a War, they would nevertheless be reconciled to it, if they seriously considered, that otherwise Flanders
would have been lost, perhaps by that time; and that they would,
he believed, give much greater sums, rather than the single town
of Ostend should be in the French hands; which would enable
them to keep forty of their men of war over against the River's
mouth: That if they desired to keep up the reputation England
had acquired abroad, by raising 30,000 men in forty days, and
preparing a Navy of ninety ships; if they desired to maintain the Honour of the Crown at home, to look to the safety of
the balance of affairs abroad, and pursue the War with Algiers;
if they desired he should pass the rest of his life in quiet, and all
the rest of it in confidence and kindness with them, and all
succeeding Parliaments, they must find a way not only to settle
for his life his Revenue, as it was at Christmas last, but also to
add, upon some new funds, 300,000l. a year; upon which he
would pass an Act to appropriate 500,000l. to the Navy and
Ordnance; and should be likewise always ready to consent to
such Laws as they should propose for the good of the nation."
He concluded with "reminding them of the 40,000l. for the
Princess of Orange's Portion; the first payment of which was due,
and had been demanded."
Mr Mallet.] Here are gracious expressions in his
Majesty's Speech, and if it fall out in the event as well
as in the expression, it will be very well. I see we have
Peace, &c. and, in some measure, from counsels here.
As for the Guarantee, &c. I know not how it is made
out to us. Yet we may give good Thanks "for the gracious expressions in his Majesty's Speech."
Mr Secretary Williamson.] The King's Speech has matter of great weight in it. I suppose it is the Order of Parliament to set apart a time for the consideration of it.
And in the mean time, to give his Majesty Thanks, "for
the gracious expressions in his Speech."
Sir Robert Thomas.] I move that Williamson may carry
Lord Cavendish.] (In ridicule.) I move that Mallet, who
firsted, and Williamson, who seconded the Motion, may
carry the Thanks to the King.
Mr Secretary Williamson.] I have no other exception
to it, but that the thing is extraordinary. I desire, that, in
the circumstances you do the Message, you would not lose
the merits of it.
Usually the Privy Counsellors carry the Message. Mallet was
Sir George Hungerford.] At the latter end of a Session,
now we are going into the country, this demand of the
King's is the most extraordinary thing that ever was
Lord Cavendish.] All Members are alike here, and as
good as a Privy Counsellor to carry a Message to the
King. These two persons moved for, have been firsted
and seconded; and put it to the Question.
Sir Thomas Littleton.] I remember an Address of this
House to the King, "for wearing of English Manufactures
in the Court, by his Majesty's example, &c." sent by Sir
Charles Harbord, who was no Privy Counsellor. This
is an answer to what is urged, "That none but Privy Counsellors carry Messages to the King."
Sir Thomas Lee.] As to what is said of "Messages by
Privy Counsellors only, &c." that is calling them only
by their names. They go as a Committee only from the
House. If the custom has been that Privy Counsellors
propose Speakers, and they are chosen, it does not therefore follow that Privy Counsellors chuse them. What
you will do is one thing, and what you ought to do is
Sir Edmund Jennings.] This is a reflection upon the
Sir Thomas Meres.] The Question is, Whether you will
add any to the Privy Counsellors, as you have done upon
other Messages. I have been added twice or thrice myself for
one. But for sending the King Thanks, I remember none
that have carried the Message but Privy Counsellors.
Ordered, That the Thanks of this House be returned to his Majesty, for his gracious expressions in his Speech.
Mr Garroway.] If the Privy Counsellors, or the House
go in a body, I am not against it.
Mr Bennet.] When this is over, I would enquire who
it is that advised the King to demand so great a sum of
us, and a Revenue that the nation is not able to bear. But
I am as willing to give Thanks for the gracious expressions
in his Majesty's Speech as any man.
Mr Garroway.] Here are a great many points to be
observed in the King's Speech. I think you have but
little money to give. I remember, the present Lord Chancellor, when he was in this House, upon the making the
King's Revenue 1,200,000l. a year, said, "We had given all we had to give." We have paid dear now for
talking of a War with France, and our answer to this
demand is, "That it is beyond our abilities; we have it
not to give." I would first know where this 300,000l.
is to be had, to make up the Revenue, &c? I would
know where, or what it is? I know no such thing. I
cannot imagine how so much as to think of it. I have
heard it said, "That the Revenue should never be so big
as to destroy amity betwixt the King and us;" and,
"That it is fit for us to keep something always in reserve to present his Majesty with." This looks to me,
of a strange nature, as if the House of Commons were
never to come here more. I know not how to comply
Sir Thomas Lee.] I would do all things with decency.
You have made an Order, "That no more Motions for
Money shall be made this Session," (see p. 92.) And if
any Gentleman can show a reason why you should retract
your Order, and consider the King's Speech, he says
something to the purpose.
Sir Thomas Littleton.] Increasing the King's Revenue
300,000l. per annum ought to be directly from a Motion
arising from the King's Speech in the House, before you
go into a Grand Committee.
The Speaker.] The reason of it is, the House avoids
a Question upon any thing of Money in the King's
Speech, but it must arise from a Motion in the House,
referred to a Grand Committee to consider, &c.
Mr Swynfin.] Now we are near the end of a Session,
and wearied with long sitting, and Gentlemen must go
into the country, to attend their affairs. Therefore you
desired to have all the matter before you. This did not
invite the King's Speech, nor give any occasion for it.
I desire, however, we may not make any longer delay,
but come to some resolution to-day, whether you will
consider the several things in the King's Speech, or not.
I am sorry the Motion is made to us now from the King,
and am sorry we can give the country so little account of
what we have done already. We have complied with all
things at the opening of the Session, and it is a most unusual thing to have new demands for Money at the latter end of a Session. I know not any Precedent before
of it. At the opening of the Session, there was Money
given for an Army by land, and a Navy by sea, for a
French War. And all the latter part of the Session has
been spent in raising a great charge on the kingdom, for
disbanding that Army; and it will lie very hard upon
the people. You have gone through all, &c. unless
what seems to be hinted in this Speech, about the Customs of Wines for the King's life. It is very strange,
that, at the latter end of a Session, we should come upon
this. And I hope the House will not take into consideration any new Motions, at the latter end of a Session,
for so great an addition to the King's Revenue.
Mr Secretary Coventry.] When the King has no other
way to raise Money, this is the King's highway; and it
is for every man's good, and this may be so. There may
be as much haste in denying now, as in giving Money,
when we see what may happen to the nation by surprize,
and how little will maintain an island, or a fort, which
may cost 100,000l. to redeem. The King offers you
some part of his Revenue for the Navy, and 100,000l.
a year more than you would have appropriated to the
Navy, viz. 500,000l. a year. When you shall have the
Debate before you, of the necessity, inconvenience or
convenience of this Grant, then it is time to think of a
negative to it.
Sir John Knight.] Consider the poverty of the nation,
and fall of rents; it is impossible we should grant what
is desired. Here are Pensions upon the Revenue, and
we must still supply it. I would have an Act of Parliament to annull them all. At this rate we shall be Normans, and wear wooden shoes. I move, therefore, "That
there be no farther addition to the Crown Revenue, but
that the Revenue may be better managed." Which will
sufficiently do the business of the Crown, without addition.
Lord Cavendish.] There is no slavery like that under
a form of Law. This is so formidable a demand, in
the King's Speech, that the first impression I can make
of it is, to remove those who advised the King to demand it. "The King would be at ease, if his Revenue
was," and as long as these Ministers manage it, he never will; and I would have them removed. Our liberality has brought upon us the fears of Popery and arbitrary Power. I would not have our sleeps disturbed
with this demand in the King's Speech; and whilst the
House is full, I would see an end of these demands.
Sir Francis Drake.] Our Saviour was followed by a
great many for the loaves, and so was the King's father.
Great sums are asked. Is it from without us, or within us?
Let us, however, get these men removed from the Throne,
that have endeavoured to break trust and confidence betwixt the King and us. They are uneasy with a Parliament, and would have such a Revenue granted the King,
that they may have no more. No Englishman can give
this money demanded; and I would give none.
Sir John Ernly.] This of 400,000l. per annum for the
Navy was formerly spoken of here. Here is nothing
new in the King's Speech, but the additional Revenue of
300,000l. per annum. Inspect the King's Revenue, and
enter into a Grand Committee, and I doubt not but you
shall have satisfaction, that the Revenue will be more
than expended on the King's necessary occasions.
Mr Booth.] It is said "that the Revenue cannot maintain the charge of the Government." If it be not
enough, it is because there are so many Privy Seals;
they are so numerous, and the Revenue is so ill managed;
and it is very hard that the nation should supply the defects of ill management. The Speech tells you, "That
the Revenue is not so great as that of other Princes." If
it was so great as that of France, I fear it would be to
make the King as absolute as the King of France. As
to the Princess of Orange's Portion, I hope we shall not
pay all the Portions the King engages for. I hear there
are great expences in lodging at Whitehall, (the Dutchess
of Portsmouth.) Still for more expences. I move, therefore, "That we may give no farther addition to the
Sir Thomas Meres.] Enumerates the King's Revenue,
and the charges upon the people, now amounting to
about two millions; and here's a request of 300,000l.
for the King's life, which, at seven years value, amounts
to two millions. Pray put a Question whether you shall
set a day for this Motion. And I pray you'll give a negative Question. I'll give a negative.
Mr Sacheverell.] There is more in this Question than
in any I ever heard, since I sat here. The States of
France gave the King power to raise money upon extraordinary occasions, "till their next meeting," and they
never met more. This sum is asked, "because of the
Algiers War;" and another reason is, "the King will
give you 500,000l. per annum for the Fleet." And we
gave 700,000l. per annum for it in the Customs. Those
that move you now for a Supply, I believe, intend not
to perpetuate it upon your land. Trade is already overcharged, and where will they have it? Home Excise;
that way has lost them their liberty in France. Just as the
calculation was made for the War, and disbanding the
Army, and the Revenue demanded is calculated for an
Army of 20,000 men. I would ask any Gentleman,
whether he would make the Revenue so big, as there
should be no use of a Parliament for supplying the King?
and whether ever the Ministers will call a Parliament
again, should you grant such a Revenue as is asked?
Consider this too; when we are upon any good Laws,
we are prorogued, and can do nothing but give Money.
I'll trust the Ministers no more; and I'll give my negative to increasing the Revenue 300,000l. more.
Mr Powle.] I take this increase of the Revenue to import no less than the change of the Government. Either
we shall not need Parliaments any more, by good husbandry of the Crown, or else the Crown must still have
Aids, and the nation be not able to bear it. In the
Revenue now, there are all the marks of superfluity; as
Pensions on the Customs, and other branches of the
Revenue, besides 80,000l. paid out of the Exchequer
for secret service, within these few months. And I have
seen accounts in the Secretary's papers, for Intelligence,
&c. that come not near up to that sum. Now, we are required to inspect the Revenue, &c. a most unreasonable
thing, at the latter end of a Session! I know not how this
Revenue can be granted, but upon a Home-Excise; and
then what use can there be of so much Revenue, but for
keeping up the Army? We are told things in foreign
affairs in the King's Speech, "That now it is too late
to ask our advice." The King desires "that his Revenue
may be equal to other Princes, &c." but our situation
defends us, and our Navy secures us. Where enemies
have no sea to pass, there must be Garrisons upon the
frontiers, and Armies that must be paid. I would have
all men consider this Question, of increasing the Revenue 300,000l. for the whole fate of Parliaments depends
Mr Pepys.] That which is the Question, is, not granting the thing, but "appointing a time to consider of it."
You are told, "That the Revenue is short, for the necessary occasion of the Government." Examine the
truth of it, by assigning a time to see whether those Gentlemen that speak on the one side or the other, are in
Mr Secretary Williamson.] Unless you acquiesce in the
reason of giving this Revenue, I would never press the
House beyond their temper. I am willing that, for this
time, the thing be laid aside.
Mr Vaughan.] By Williamson's argument, since the
House does not willingly entertain the Motion now, &c.
that is to say, it may be taken up again. Some are
dissolving this bond betwixt the King and his people,
by this. I could not think that there was so much
guilt in any person in the kingdom, to make such efforts. You have had strange judgments in the Exchequer-chamber, in the case of Barnardiston and Soames.
Such Judges may be prepared for judgments against you
in the Exchequer-chamber for what you do here, when
these doors are shut. Vassalages hereafter will not be
confined to particular tenures, but this will be throughout the whole nation. I have seen men rise from nothing, within these walls. And when they are taskmasters within these walls, they are task-masters to ruin
the nation, with raising themselves. You have but one
more addition to your misfortune, and that is, to give
this 300,000l. increase to the Revenue. And I will
give my negative to it.
Sir William Coventry.] I rise only to speak to the previous Question. It is become a very parliamentary thing,
but a word sometimes slips into it, that makes a doubt.
The word "now" being not put in it, it may be a fortnight, or a month hence; but if you please to leave out
the word "now," then the Question will be, "Whether
you will consider of the Motion for increasing the Revenue 300,000l. per annum."
Sir Job Charlton.] I move that you will give the Officers of the Treasury time to make out, whether the
Government cannot be supported without this addition
to the Revenue. The King denies you no Bills you
present him, only le Roi s'avisera. And I would not
have you do any indecent thing to the King. (He was
The Question being put, "That the House will go into a
Grand Committee, to consider of the Motion for raising
300,000l. per annum, for an additional Revenue to the King," it
passed in the negative, without a division (fn. 1) .
On the Compensation for the Prohibition of French Commodities.
Mr Powle.] The sooner you give your Compensation,
&c. the less you will have the effect of your Prohibition.
When the year is out, you'll see what damage it will
be to the Revenue, and then will be time to consider
Lord Cavendish.] I would know, whether by the Peace
we have a better opinion of the King's Ministers, or by
the Chancellor's Speech a worse opinion of ourselves. I
move that the Audit of the Exchequer may be brought
in, by the Auditor of the Exchequer, to see what has
been issued out for Secret Service, since May 1677, with
the Pensions. And I hope that such as are concerned in
charging the Revenue unnecessarily, will have their condign punishment.
Sir Thomas Lee.] I know not what this Compensation
is now, in this new dress of Prohibition, any more than
in its old dress of Revenue. This morning still we have
propositions to have no farther use of us. The Officers of
the Ordnance's paper for stores was 80,000l. and the land
Army no less, which you have allowed; and if the whole
rents of England should be enacted into the King's Revenue, they would not suffice the Government, as things
have been managed.
Sir Thomas Clarges.] This is the strangest chimerical
motion that ever was made in Parliament, for just nothing.
For you have not yet received any damage. The purport of the Prohibition is for advantage in the parts of
Colonel Birch.] They that moved the Compensation,
&c. to-day, have ill timed it. There have been so many
goods of all sorts come in out of France, before the time
limited for Prohibition, that the defect of the Customs
cannot be seen till Michaelmas. I would now lay this
Motion aside, and adjourn.
The Question being put, That the Compensation to the King
for the Clause of Prohibition of French commodities should be referred to the consideration of a Committee of the whole House,
it passed in the negative, 202 to 145.
Sir Thomas Mompesson.] Moves that an account of all
the Pensions charged upon the King's Revenue may be
brought in. And if those Gentlemen that went out for
the Compensation, think the Revenue will be straightened,
they will not be against stopping those Pensions.
[This Motion was agreed to.]
This Debate being over,
Sir William Coventry said,] I take ourselves to be useful,
not to say necessary, to the Government, and till those
scandals are taken away from us, mentioned in a book, of
receiving pensions for our Votes (which, it seems, has been
thought fit to be amongst the advertisements in the Gazette,
and a reward promised to the discoverer of the Author or
Publisher,) I say, since this is made public, till this scandal
be taken away, we cannot serve the nation as we ought.
Money, Solomon says, will blind the eyes of the wise. If a
man be in poverty, he need not be ashamed of his Majesty's bounty. I say, he need not be ashamed of the bounty
of his Prince. But that man, whoever he be, that goes
about corrupt Members of Parliament for their Votes,
be he ever so great, should be ashamed of it. If a man
be so base as to receive 500l. for his Vote here, he, in
time, will raise it up to 1500l. And that trick will be
spoiled at last. If a man has been so transported by any
pressures, let not the reputation of all your Members lie
under scandals; else the very Laws you make will not
meet with that chearful obedience they ought to have.
I hope, therefore, that this House will do something in
vindication of themselves, the thing now being made
Gazetie-matter, in the face of the whole world. I am
not a man prepared to prescribe you a method to purge
yourselves; but now that the jealousy has got so much
strength as to be in print, and since it deserves the notice of the Government, which has put it in print, seeing the ill fame of it has gotten abroad, I would have
the good fame of our endeavouring to detect it get
Sir Thomas Clarges.] The Auditor of the Receipts
of the Privy Seals can inform you, what money has
been issued out since May 1677, upon extraordinary occasions.
Mr William Harbord.] Whoever attempts the enslaving, and making the legislative Power subservient to
any particular subject, is [guilty of] the greatest crime
that can be. Therefore I will explain myself thus. I
would have every Gentleman of the House come to the
table, and protest that he has received no reward for any
thing he has done in Parliament, or for giving his Vote.
Or if any Gentleman be in employment in the Government, and has been put out of his Place for giving his
Vote here according to his conscience, or has been threatened, this is a great crime. And I would have it as
comprehensive as you can.
Whereupon several proposed these following Tests, &c. as
they stood inclined to one party, or the other.
1. Whether any Members have received money to give their
2. Whether any Members have been turned out of their Places
for giving their Votes, &c.?
3. Whether any Members are guilty of Popery, and come not
to the Sacrament, &c.?
4. Whether any Members have been dealing with, or conversing with foreign Ministers, or receiving money from them, to
forward any business relating to Parliament?
5. Whether any Members have received money for giving
Counsel for any Bills depending in the House?
6. If any Committees have received gratuities?
7. If any Members have sollicited voices in any business depending in Parliament?
8. If any Members have offered their service to any great persons to vote in Parliament, and have been refused?
9. If any Members have received money for granting Protections, &c.?
10. If any have kept public tables for Members, and at
whose charges, &c.?
11. How many Members sit in the House out-lawed, before
judgment as well as after?
12. Enquiry to be made of those who go to Conventicles.
13. That a Test be given for discovery of the libel of the Catalogue of the Pensioners names, &c. who was the Author of it,
and who promoted the dispersing, &c.?
Of all these Articles it was proposed that every Member
should purge himself; [and a Vote passed accordingly.] But
after it was thought that all was done and settled, and the
House was about to rise, so many went away before a Committee was appointed to draw up the said Tests, that the Court
Party took advantage to put the Question, Whether a Committee
should be named, or no, which was carried in the negative, [100
to 86,] and so the thing ended.
Wednesday, June 19.
Complaint was made, by several Members, of the Clerk's non
Entry of the Enquiries yesterday, concerning moneys issued out
by Privy Seals, and that he deserved to be turned out of his place
for his misdemeanor.
The Speaker.] You meddle with what you have nothing to do with, in displacing the Clerk, he being a
Mr Hampden.] The Clerk-assistant is your own Officer,
and you may put him out, and displace him, upon misdemeanor.
Mr Goldsborough, the Clerk, was ordered to give an account
of the pasting of the leaves together, in the Journal of the year
1663, and defacing it.
The other allegation against the Clerk, of the not entering
yesterday's Order perfectly, was passed over, with some reflection
on the Clerk; and he was ordered to perfect the Journal.
A Letter was sent from Sir Solomon Swale to the Speaker, to
excuse his receiving the Sacrament (fn. 2) till Sunday sevennight,
being prevented the last Sunday, by reason there was no Sacrament at St Martin's Church, and after next Sunday come sevennight he hopes to be here to give his attendance (fn. 3) .
Mr William Harbord.] This is a mere trick; for Swale
hopes by that time you will be up, and no farther enquiry be made after him. But I'll take care to inform
you of this trick.
Mr Williams.] A Certificate of his repairing to divine
service, and hearing it orderly, is a fair inducement to
the Diccesan to certify. For the Order is nothing about
receiving the Sacrament, only "his conformity," 3 James.
And his "allegation about receiving the Sacrament" is
an insignificant thing, to delay time only.
The Speaker reads the Statute.] "He is to repair to
his Parish Church, where is the most of his abiding;
and his receiving the Sacrament there shall undo the indictment."
Lord Gorges.] If Swale would have conformed, he
might have conformed in all this time, and it is a contempt of your Order.
Sir Thomas Meres.] Since Swale has had two or three
admonitions, for these five months last past that you have
sat, and he has been convicted a year and a half, there's
no farther forbearance can be, but you must do something with him.
Mr Daniel Finch.] The not receiving the Sacrament
does not disable Swale from sitting in Parliament, but
the not taking the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy.
I move, that, if before Monday he receive not the Sacrament, and take not the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy, he shall not be permitted to sit here; and
that a Writ be sent out to chuse another Member to serve
in his place.
Sir Robert Sawyer.] A Popish Recusant convict cannot come near the King's person, and, á fortiori, he cannot be of the great Council of the nation. Whoever
disables himself (as this case of Swale's is) from his attendance in Parliament, you ought to discharge. And
now you have fears and jealousies of Popery, to let
such a man be one of you, that wilfully stands out of
the Church!—You cannot answer it. I hope you'll discharge him.
Then this Question was put, and carried, viz. That whereas it appears to the House, that Sir Solomon Swale is convicted of
Popish Recusancy; and having been divers times called upon by
this House to signify his conformity to the Church of England,
which he hath not done, in pursuance to a peremptory Order
of this House;
Ordered, That the said Sir Solomon Swale be discharged from
the service of this House; and that a new Writ be issued out for
the choice of another Member to serve in his place, for the Borough of Aldborough, in the county of York.
N. B. This day the Compiler went out of town, and what follows was communicated to him by letters from Members, &c.
Thursday, June 20.
The Lord Treasurer, by his Majesty's command, acquainted
the Lords, "That his Majesty did yesterday receive a letter
from his Ambassador at Nimeguen, Sir Lionel Jenkins, dated the
15th of June, which gave him an account, that the French Ambassadors had declared to the Dutch Ambassadors there, that they
would not void any one of the places they held in the Spanish
Netherlands, till Sweden be effectually restored to the places taken from them; no, notwithstanding that the Peace was already
signed and ratified between them. That upon this is arisen a
difficulty on the side of the Spaniards, whether they will accept of
the French conditions.
"That Monsieur Beverning, one of the States Ambassadors
there, had thereupon earnestly enquired of him, whether the
Army of England was presently to be disbanded; because no body
could tell what end things would come to; for if France will
keep all the places in the Netherlands filled with their troops, it is
in vain that the States have taken so much pains about their
Barrier; for they will have none, when all is done. And the
said Monsieur Beverning was very anxious, till he did hear out
of England, that the Army might not yet be disbanded.
"That the Imperial Ministers had been to visit him that day;
and that their principal business was to learn what they could
from him, in what state our Army was, things being in this
The above was the same day communicated to the Commons,
at a Conference, and the Lords delivered them a copy of the
The Commons, after the Conference, had some Debate upon
the said Message, but did nothing thereupon; but Resolved, That
a Message be sent to the Lords, to remind them of the Bill for
disbanding the Army.
The House then went into a Committee of the whole House,
and Resolved, That the [new] imposts on Wines and Vinegar
be granted to his Majesty for three years, from the first of
August next, upon such Wines [and Vinegar] as may now be
The Question being put, That the sum of 200,000l. which
was borrowed on the credit of the Excise, shall be charged on
the Bill for impost on Wines, it passed in the negative, 179
to 168 (fn. 4) .
Friday, June 21.
[In a Grand Committee.]
Resolved, That a Supply, not exceeding the sum of 414,000l.
shall be granted to his Majesty, for paying off the extraordinary
charge of the Navy and Ordnance; and for paying the Princess of
Orange's Portion; and for the repayment of the 200,000l. borrowed upon the credit of the additional Excise. And that the
people be charged with no more money this Session of Parliament.
[Agreed to by the House.]
Saturday, June 22.
The Lords believing it impossible to disband the Army by the
days the Commons named in the Bill, changed the "last of June"
to the "27th of July," for that part of the Army in England:
And for those abroad, they changed the time from the "24th of
July" to the "24th of August." [And the Bill, with these
amendments, being returned to the Commons this day, they
were, on Debate, disagreed to by the House.]
[June 24. omitted.]
Tuesday, June 25.
The Commons [at a Conference] gave several reasons for their
not agreeing with the Lords in the above amendments. The
main one was, "It being a Bill of Money, they cannot allow
their Lordships any manner of power, to add, or diminish, to,
or from it, &c." [And they offered a Proviso, by way of Expedient.]
The same day several ways were proposed for raising the said
sum of 414,000l. as upon buildings [crected since 1656, upon
new foundations,] within ten miles of London. [But this was
rejected, 117 to 88.] By the old way of Subsidy, &c. but at
last it was concluded by Land Tax. The House grew so
thin, that, upon a division [for adjourning the Debate] the Aye's
were but 74, and the No's 71.
Wednesday, June 26.
The Lords, at a Conference, gave several reasons for insisting
on their amendments to the Bill of disbanding, and for rejecting the Proviso offered by the Commons. But to all the amendments but one the Commons disagreed, and adhered to their
[June 27 omitted.]
Friday, June 28.
The Lords voted that they adhered to their amendments, and
disagreed to the Proviso. And the Commons voted e contra.
[July 1, and 2 omitted.]