House of Commons Journal Volume 2
14 December 1641

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 14 December 1641', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 342-343. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=5275 Date accessed: 20 September 2014.


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Die Martis, 14 Decembris, 1641.

PRAYERS.

Obstructions in Southwarke, &c.

RESOLVED, upon the Question, That the whole Examination of the Obstruction caused by those Men of the Borough of Southwarke, St. Clements Danes, or others, complained of here last Night; and the Examination of the Witnessess that are to be produced in those Businesses, be referred to the Committee Yesterday appointed to hear the Businesses concerning the Justices of Midd. and Westminster, sending armed Men to the Palace at Westminster, &c.

Obstructions to subscribing a Petition.

The Under Sheriff of Surrey was called in: And, being demanded wherefore he empanelled a Jury, to inquire after the Meeting of People assembled to subscribe a Petition to be preferred to this House, he answered, he received a Warrant from the Justices of the Peace of that County: The which Warrant he shewed: And it was read.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Justices of Peace, and Sheriff, of the County of Surrey, shall forbear to make any farther Proceedings upon that Inquisition now complained of, according to the Order of the House made Yester-night, and directed to the Under Sheriff of the said County.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair, according to an Order of Yesterday: And the House was turned into a Committee.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Members fined.

Ordered, That the Members of the House that are gone up to the Lords House, now before Mr. Speaker, shall pay their Five Shillings apiece.-

Message to attend the King.

-The Gentleman Usher of the Lords House came, and acquainted Mr. Speaker, that his Majesty had sent for the House of Commons to attend him in the Lords House.

Leave of Absence.

Mr. Glyn, Sir Rich. Onslow, Sir Ro. Packhurst, have Leave to go into the Country.

Mr. Mostyn has Leave to go into the Country.

Privilege- The King noticing Proceedings.

* * * * to represent unto the Lords, how that the ancient Privileges of the Lords and Commons were now broken, in regard that his Majesty took notice of a Bill that is passing, before it be represented unto his Majesty by the Consent of the Lords and Commons; and likewise in prescribing Savings or Limitations to a Bill before it be presented unto his Majesty in the usual Manner; and to desire their Lordships to join with this House in petitioning his Majesty, that this Inconvenience, and Breach of Privilege, for the future, may be forborn.

Resolved, upon the Question, That a Message be sent unto the Lords, to desire a Conference shall be desired with the Lords, concerning the Breach of the Privilege of Parliament in Two Particulars now moved, concerning his Majesty's Speech; and to desire their Lordships to join with this House, in acquainting his Majesty herewithal in an humble Petition; and to desire that the like Inconvenience may be forborn for the future.

Mr. Hollys went up to the Lords, To desire a Conference with the Lords, concerning the Breach of Privileges of Parliament, as aforesaid.

Raising Money.

Upon Mr. Serjeant Wilde's Report from the Committee of the whole House, appointed to consider of raising Monies, &c. it was

Resolved, upon the Question, That besides the Sum of Two hundred thousand Pounds, voted on Friday the 12th of Nov. last to be raised, Two hundred thousand Pounds more shall be raised, being, in the whole, Four hundred thousand Pounds, for the Suppressing the Rebels in Ireland; for the Security of this Kingdom; and for the Payment of Debts.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the House shall be resolved into a Committee To-morrow Morning, to take into Consideration the Bill formerly prepared for the Raising of Four hundred thousand Pounds: And that the Votes thereupon shall be then brought in, and be considered by the said Committee.

Conference.

Mr. Hollis brings Answer, that their Lordships will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollys, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Hampden, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Propositions from Scotland.

Sir Philip Stapilton presented, from the Commissioners of Scotland, Five Propositions: Which he read: And it is

Ordered, That this Business, concerning these Propositions, shall be taken into Consideration To-morrow at One of Clock.

Condemned Priests.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit to advise his Majesty, that *Willford the Priest be put to Execution according to the Laws.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit to advise his Majesty, That Edw. Canon the Priest be put to Execution according to the Laws.

Resolved, upon the Question, that the Lords shall be moved to join with this House, to desire his Majesty, that the Reprieve of the Seven Priests be taken off.

Ordered, That a Conference shall be desired with the Lords concerning the Priests: And that, at That Conference, the Letter received out of Ireland, of the 27th of Nov. directed to Sir John Clottworthy, shall be presented unto the Lords: And the Managers are to acquaint the Lords, that, in Answer to the Message of the Lords concerning the Priests mediated for by the French Ambassador, they thought fit to advise his Majesty, that the Laws might pass upon Five of them; without saying any thing of the other Two: And, seeing they desire to receive the Advice of this House concerning the other Two, they cannot, with their Duty, that the Laws should not pass against Priests, especially in these Times, when they have done so much Mischief: And therefore they advise, that the Laws may be put in Execution against them all; and that his Majesty may be desired, that the Reprieve may be taken off.

Sir Wm. Litton was sent to the Lords, To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Conference had with the Lords touching the Priests, and touching a Letter come out of Ireland.

Proceedings against Piercy, &c.

Ordered, That To-morrow, at Two of Clock, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, shall report the Business concerning Mr. Piercy, Mr. Jermyn, and Sir Jo. Sucklyn, and Mr. Oneale: And that the House shall then consider in what manner to proceed against them.

Bailing Steward.

Ordered, That Mr. Robert Steward, referred to his Trial in the King's Bench by order of this House, shall be bailed by the Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench.

Information against Venn.

Ordered, That the Information given in this House against Mr. Venn, a Member of this House, and the other Exceptions taken formerly against Words spoken by Members of this House, shall be taken into Consideration on Thursday next.

Persons to be discharged.

Ordered, That such Persons, Soldiers, and others, as are staid in Devon, upon a former Order of this House, and are not Recusants, shall be discharged.

Bailing a Prisoner.

Ordered, That Tho. Baker, Serjeant under Captain Roger Bradshaw, committed to Prison for some idle Words spoken by him, shall be bailed.

Conference.

Sir Wm. Litton brings Answer, that their Lordships will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Pressing Soldiers.

Sir H. Vane was sent to the Lords, To desire a free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, touching the Bill for Pressing of Soldiers.

Conference.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Hampden, are appointed Managers of the Conference.

Ditto.

Serjeant Wilde, and Mr. Glyn, are appointed Managers of the free Conference.

House to sit.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich, and Mr. Page;

The Lords desire this House would sit a while; because they intend to send to desire a Conference concerning the Privileges of Parliament.

Conference.

Sir H. Vane brings Answer, that their Lordships will give a present Meeting as is desired.

House to sit.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers; that this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will sit awhile, as is desired.

Securing Recusants.

The Serjeant was commanded to require Mr. Reynolds to attend this House To-morrow Morning, with the Bill for securing the Persons of Recusants.

Adjournment.

Ordered, That the House, To-morrow, shall consider of a Recess, and of the Members going out of Town without Leave.

Message from the Lords, by Sir Robert Rich, and Mr. Page;

Privilege-The King's noticing Proceedings.

That, whereas the Lords did send to this House to sit awhile; they did then think to have had a Conference concerning the Breach of Privilege of Parliament: They have now appointed Twelve Lords; and desire this House to appoint a proportionable Number of their Members, to confer and prepare such Things as shall be fit to be presented unto his Majesty, concerning the Breach of Privilege of Parliament; and to meet To-morrow, at Nine of the Clock, in the Painted Chamber.

Mr. Speaker returned this Answer; "The House hath taken into Consideration your Message; and have appointed a proportionable Number to meet, as is desired."

Mr. Pym, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Martyn, Mr. Strode, Sir Hugh Chomley, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Hampden, Sir Sam. Browne, Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir Edw. Rodney, Sir Tho. Bowyer, Sir Wm. Armyn, Sir Fra. Barnham, Sir Walt. Earle, Sir Edw. Aiscough, Sir Philip Stapleton, Sir Antho. Irby, Sir Wm. Lewes, Mr. Strangwayes, Sir Rob. Cooke, Sir Edw. Montforte, Sir Wm. Litton, Sir Hen. Ludlow;

This Committee is to meet with a proportionable Number of the Lords To-morrow, at Nine of the Clock, to confer and prepare such Things as shall be fit to be presented unto his Majesty, concerning the Breach of Privilege of Parliament.