House of Commons Journal Volume 1
19 June 1604

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 19 June 1604', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 1: 1547-1629 (1802), pp. 241-242. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=5771 Date accessed: 25 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Martis, 19o Junii, 1604

Incumbents.

L. 2. B. FOR avoiding unjust Suits against Incumbents of ecclesiastical Livings : - Committed to Mr. D. James, Sir Tho. Hobby, Sir John Heigham, Sir Francis Eure, Sir Walter Cope, Sir Rob. Wingfield, Sir Edmund Ludlowe, Mr. Bacchus, Sir John Bennett, Mr. Durdent, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Brock, Sir Valentyne Knightley, Mr. Noy, Sir Edw. Hext, Sir Edw. Lewknor, Mr. Tate, Mr. Nath. Bacon, Mr. Pelham, Mr. Edw. Jones .- - To meet on Friday, in the Middle Temple Hall.

Calthrop's Jointure.

The Amendments in Mr. Calthrop's Bill (coming from the Lords) thrice read; and, upon Question, the Bill ordered to be amended.

E. of Marre's &c. Nat.

L. 3. B. For the Naturalizing of John Earl of Marre, his Wife and Children: - Third Reading; and, upon the Question, passed.

Kennedy's Nat.

L. 1. et 2. B. For the Naturalizing of Sir John Kennedy Knight: - Twice read, and passed.

Ecclesiastical Government.

L. 2. B. For the due Execution of ecclesiastical Government: - Committed to a former Committee, named for Four Bills touching Matters ecclesiastical,

Browne's Nat.

L. 2. B. For the Naturalizing of the Children of Sir Wm. Browne Knight: - Upon Question, ordered to be ingrossed, without any Commitment.

Treasurers.

L. 2. B. Against Treasurers and Deputy Lieutenants: &c. - Upon the Quest, usual, rejected.

Dover Haven.

The Committee for Continuance, &c. bring in a new Bill for the Repair of Dover Haven; and think fit, the Proviso, touching the Haven, in the Act of Continuance, be strokn out.

Ditto.

L. 1. et 2. B. For the Repair, &c. - Twice read, and, upon Question, ordered to be ingrossed.

Corn, &c.

The Proviso for the Transporting of Corn and Grain, in the Act of Continuance, much disputed.

The Question put upon it, and the House divided.

With the Yea, 159.

the Noe, 105.

Usury.

Added, upon Motion, to the Committee in the Bill against Usury, Sir Maurice Berkley, Sir Tho. Ridgeway, Sir Henry Beamount, Sir Wm. Strode.

Subsidy.

Sundry Motions and Insinuations, touching Matter of Subsidy, or Gratuity; and carried in Opinion and Dispute, pro et contra, by Sir Francis Hastings, Sir Edw. Hobby, Sir Francis Bacon, Mr. Martin, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Brock, Sir Rich. Spencer, Mr. Nath. Bacon, Mr. Hackwill, Sir Edw. Hext, Sir John Heigham, Sir Rob. Wingfield.

Motions: - To express our Love to King James in some Act, some Demonstration; not in our Hearts only. - Hilarem datorem diligit Deus. - Gratia est nullo modo gratia, quae non est gratuita omni modo. -

No Subsidy, but a Gratuity. - The Spanyard and Ambassadors will speak well. -

A select Committee for this Purpose, to confer amongst ourselves. -

Not in respect of the Necessity of the Time, or of other Conveniency; but merely in respect of our own Good, to shew that we are thankful. -

The Kingdom, in the Queen's Time, but as Tenant for Term of Life. - If for a State for Life, a Gratuity; then much more for a planted Posterity, a State of Inheritance. -

Let not this Parliament end, like a Dutch Feast, in Salt Meats; but, like an English Feast, in Sweet Meats. -

Four recusant Papists overheard to say amongst themselves, You see now, what the King's Protestant Subjects will do for him; they will yield him nothing.

Answ. - In no Time any Subsidy but in Time of Wars.

in E. III. H. V. E. IV. H. VII. H. VIII. no Precedent. -

Never any Subsidy in the Beginning of a Prince's Reign, but in Queen Elizabeth's Time; and that half forgiven. -

In the Beginning of Princes Reigns, Subsidies rather remitted, than doubled. -

We have no Sheep that yields Two Fleeces in One Year. -

No Immunity to countervail so great a Charge.

Reply. - There is against it either Matter of Poverty of the Country, or Matter of Precedent: - All may be answered at a Committee. -

To name a Committee, to consider, how to express our Love, our Thankfulness. -

That, at least, we may consult; and if it be upon Reason and Ground, and dutifully done, the King is gracious, and will as well take the Denial, as the Granting.

Further Speech to cease till To-morrow.

Privilege- Petition from a Prisoner;

[a] ......... lips Knight, Speaker

........ House of Parliament.

....... honourable Court, your humble Petitioner

................ that whereas to his great

............... tained long Prisoner in the

.......... ing his Majesty's Writ of Execution

............. his due Debt to your Petitioner)

............... known to be a Member of

.............. acknowlegeth himself heartily

............... whereas, during his long

................ made Suit for his Release

................. favourably of the Cause

............. 500l. for which he standeth

.............. Sir Tho. Shurley, which being

............... threatened by the Creditors

.......... present Sight, which your Petitioner

............. unless the said Sir Tho. Shurley

.............. 2,300l.

........... hereof, and in respect it tendeth to the utter Subversion of his Estate, he most humbly beseecheth your honourable Pity and Compassion, both for the Grant of his Liberty, and the Ordering of his Cause, which he referreth to your most honourable and wise Considerations: And, as Duty bindeth him, he shall pray for your Honours eternal Happiness.

By me, Gyles Sympson.

To be discharged.

THIS Day Giles Sympson, Prisoner in the Tower, committed by former Order of the Commons House of Parliament, for Arresting of Sir Thomas Shirley Knight, One of the Members of this House, made special Means to give Testimony of his Submission, and acknowlegement of his Fault in that Behalf, with Desire of Mercy and Pardon from the said House : Hereupon it was ordered, and so required of Mr. Lieutenant of the Tower, a Member then present, that he should deliver the Body of the said Giles Sympson to the Serjeant at Arms attendant upon the House, so as he first discharge the Fees and Duties, due as well upon his own Restraint, and Delivery from thence, as upon the Imprisonment and Discharge of the Warden of the Fleet, late Prisoner there: And the said Serjeant is enjoined to take him into his Charge, and detain him, until he satisfy such Fees, as were formerly due upon a Bill passed the said House, for his Indemnity, touching the Debt of the said Sir Tho. Shirley, and all other Charges and Duties, which shall be thought fit and reasonable by the said House; which being accordingly performed, the said Serjeant is warranted and commanded by the Order of this House to restore him to his former Liberty without further Impediment or Restraint.

Edward Phelipps, Speaker.

SIR,

THIS Day I moved Mr. Speaker, to understand the Meaning of the House, touching the Fees to be paid by Sympson, upon his Enlargement; who told me, that he was to discharge all Fees and Allowances, due for himself, the Warden of the Fleet, and the Serjeants; which in this first-written Order are not particularly set down. I pray you therefore, that, according to the Meaning of the House, it may plainly be set down, and I will be thankful to you for it. And so I heartily commend you,

Your very loving Friend,

G. Hervy.