London Society for the Extension of University Teaching
The Right Hon. G. J. Goschen, M.P., attended on behalf of the London Society for the Extension of
University Teaching.
Rt. Ht. Hon. G. J. Goschen, M.P.
2,136. (Chairman.) We understand that you have
come as representing the University Extension Committee established in London, that is so is it not ?—
Yes.
2,137. Then perhaps you will kindly state what it
is that they wish us to do ?—I think that a memorial
is in the hands of the members of the Commission, in
which we have stated, as briefly as we could, the
objects of our society. Perhaps it would be convenient just to run rapidly through the various points.
"In 1872 the University of Cambridge having
received many memorials from large towns throughout England, asking assistance in promoting higher
education, appointed a syndicate to ' organize
lectures in populous places.' The scheme grew
rapidly and the syndicate has conducted lectures
in more than 60 towns. In some places the lectures
have led to the foundation of permanent educational
institutions." Then we state one or two notable
cases where those permanent educational institutions
have been founded. "It was thought that in London
also, although much valuable secondary instruction
was already provided, there was still ample room
and need for similar work. The experience of the
Cambridge scheme had shown that outside the
ranks of those who are able to take advantage
of the routine of colleges, there are in all large
centres of population numbers of persons engaged
in the regular occupations of life, who are yet
willing to ayail themselves of opportunities for
higher education." I think I may state here that
there was some institution in the metropolis that
applied to the Cambridge syndicate asking them to
help them in London, but on that being done there
was a number of gentlemen interested in education
who met in London and thought that they could
make similar arrangements in London to those that
Cambridge had made for the provincial towns. They
placed themselves in communication with various other
institutions, and the result was the foundation of
the Society for the Extension of University Teaching
in the metropolis in the year 1875, but we were
anxious to place ourselves in communication with the
Universities of Oxford, Cambridge, and London, and
we secured their sanction and co-operation. "In
1878 a decree was passed, without division, in a
convocation of the University of Oxford, authorising
the appointment of delegates to co-operate with the
society, and a similar grace passed shortly afterwards, also without division, in the senate of the
University of Cambridge." The London University
also joined us, and I can put in the wording of the
decrees at Oxford and Cambridge. The Oxford
decrees was this, "That the delegates of local examinations be authorised to appoint representatives out of their own number to co-operate with
the London society for the extension of university
teaching in such manner as to the delegates may
seem advisable." I will put that in. (The
document was handed in, vide Appendix A.) When
we had secured the co-operation of the three universities we considered our organisation complete. The
Universities of Oxford, Cambridge, and London appointed members of what we call a joint board. " This
board has nominated all the society's lecturers and
appointed the examiners; it has granted certificates
to successful candidates, and it has frequently conferred with the council on the educational work of
the society." I will now state the way in which
we work. We work through local committees.
The central society endeavours to induce the different
localities to form local committees. They make the
general arrangements, and we then assist them with
funds. We appoint the lecturers, take a certain amount
of the charge upon ourselves, and supply general
organisation. I think I may read here the account of
how we operate. "The scheme for carrying out
this object has been matured with the assistance of
the Universities Board, and has followed the lines
which have proved so successful in the case of the
Cambridge Syndicate. The course consists of weekly
lectures on various subjects, each course consisting of
not fewer than 12, or occasionally 10, lectures,
and each lecture lasting not less than one hour.
Each lecture is followed by class instruction occupying not less than half an hour; and at each
lecture the lecturer gives out questions, to be
answered in writing at home and submitted to him
for correction and comment. At the end of each
course an examination (in writing) is held, the
examiner (who is in no case the lecturer) being
specially appointed by the Universities Board. No
student is admitted to the examination who has not
attended the lectures and classes to the lecturer's
satisfaction; and the lecturer is not permitted to
accept as satisfactory, attendance at fewer than two
thirds of the lectures and classes. It is further
left to the discretion of the lecturer whether he
will require, in addition, a certain amount of
weekly paper work as a condition of entrance to
the examination, a condition which the lecturer in
most cases enforces. As the result of the examination, the Universities Board awards first and second
class certificates to such candidates as satisfy the
examiner; and the certificates thus testify not only
to the attainment of a particular standard of knowledge, but also to a regular course of organised work
under university superintendence. The society
thus does two things. For those persons who have
only time or inclination to attend lectures, it provides that the lectures shall be given" (this is a
point on which we insist very much) "by men of
equal qualification with those engaged in teaching
at the universities themselves, and that the lectures
shall be in distinct courses. At the same time it
affords opportunities to all who are desirous of
studying a subject more fully of as regular and
systematic a course of teaching as their circumstances
render possible." I may state here that one of the
main points on which we insist is not the delivery
of popular lectures but of thorough lectures, and we
claim that the lecturers who are appointed are all
first rate university men of the same stamp as
conduct the teaching at the universities, and each
one of our lecturers has the stamp of the university
upon him by having been nominated by the University Board. We insist upon the class teaching
and the paper work in order to insure as far as we
can that it shall be real study and not simply amusement. The council insist in all our arrangements
upon thorough teaching, and we attach the greatest
importance to the class teaching after the lectures.
I will put in here the instructions for the lecturers
which are drawn up by the universities joint board,
and which have been approved by the council. I
put that in in order to show the thoroughness of
the work that we do. (The document was handed in,
vide Appendix B.) Now with regard to the extent
of our work. We have gradually increased until we
have now 19 centres. "26 centres in the London
postal district have at one time or another been in
connexion with the society, and during the last
session (1881–82) 19 centres have been in active
work." Various classes attend our lectures. "It is
indeed a leading characteristic of the scheme that it
adapts itself to students of all degrees of leisure and
previous training, some of the most successful
classes having been attended largely by artizans.
Such is especially the case at the Whitechapel
centre, where the three subjects of English history,
political economy, and physiology have been continuously taught for nearly five years." And I venture
to draw the attention of the Commission to that point,
that it is not simply a spasmodic action but for five
years we have been able to give a regular and
systematic training in one of the poorest parts of
London. "During the last session the number of entries
for the society's lectures at the 19 different centres
was: in the first term (October-December, 1881),
1,619; in the second term (January–April, 1882),
1411. Of this latter number, 700 (or 50 per cent.)
have stayed after the lecture for class teaching, and
329 (or 23 per cent.) have written weekly papers.
Over 10 per cent. of the students, moreover, entered
for examination, and 83 per cent. of the candidates
satisfied the examiners." I would call attention to
this, that the second term, which is the term from
Christmas to Easter, is always less well attended than
that from October to December. It does not show
any falling off in our work which has been continously
increasing. It is the same in the Cambridge scheme;
the total for the session shows an advance on the preceding session of 477 in the first term and 541 in the
second. I may supplement that by saying, that in
addition to the centres of last year, new ones are in
course of formation at Bedford Park, at Crouch End,
at Dalston, at Dulwich, at Greenwich, at Hackney, at
Kilburn, at New Cross, at Southwark, at Stoke Newington, at Walthamstow, and at Woolwich. These
facts, I think, bear out the contention which we make,
namely, that we are filling a gap in the higher education in London, and that there is a considerable
demand for our lectures. The ground is occupied by
King's College and other organisations, as well as
ourselves, but the great progress that we have made
from year to year in our numbers shows, in our judgment, that there is a distinct demand for such lectures
as we can give. In our first session, if I take the
October to December term, we had 139 entries. In
the second session we had 379, in the third session
284, in the fourth session 1,224, in the fifth session
1,142, and in the sixth session 1,619. That represents
now the number of our students, 1,619 in the first term
and 1,400 in the second, or we may say an average of
about 1,500; and we hope to increase that number
by at all events the formation of six or seven new
centres next October. With regard to the classes
and the kind of people who attend our lectures, we
may say that really they are attended by all kinds;
we have afternoon classes and evening classes. The
afternoon classes are attended chiefly by the well-todo; the evening classes by a great variety of people.
If we had only got our afternoon classes we should not
venture to come before the Commission at all, because
those are classes that ought to be entirely selfsupporting and would not be entitled to any assistance.
As a matter of fact according to our system they help
to pay for the poorer students. We have seven afternoon classes with 300 entries, but we have 17 evening
classes with 1,130 entries. Now in the afternoon
classes the fee for instance would be 1l. 1s. and at
Blackheath we have 90 people, who are chiefly ladies,
who pay 1l. 1s. each. They pay (if I may put it so)
for 80 clerks and artisans, at 5s., who are attending
the lectures in other parts of the metropolis. So at
Hampstead and at Croydon. If in any of the wealthier
neighbourhoods a centre is not self-supporting we immediately drop it, because we are not prepared to say that
any of our funds should go to them, but it assists us to
work them in with other localities because we employ the
same lecturers for all and there is a surplus occasionally,
and oftener at these wealthier centres, which goes to
the payment of the poorer centres. I should say that
our lecturers receive 30l. for a course of 12 lectures, and
we consider it scarcely enough. Under the Cambridge
syndicate they pay 40l. for 12 lectures. I think at the
Gresham College the pay is considerably higher, and
also at the Gilchrist Trust, where I think it is 10l. for
one lecture. Our financial arrangement is this, that the
local committee determines the fees which are paid,
and then bears one third of the deficiency, if any, and
we contribute two thirds of the deficiency, receiving one
third of the surplus if any. Now with regard to the
class of people attending our lectures, at Peckham the
local secretary is a lawyer's clerk; at Camden Road he
is engaged in a newspaper office; at West Ham he is a
clerk to the local board; at Battersea one is a master
of a middle class school, the other a working man; at
Croydon he is a tradesman engaged all day in the city;
at the Tower Hamlets he is a working bookbinder, and
there the class is mainly composed of artisans. As
evidence of the necessity created for the class in the
Tower Hamlets I may mention that there have been a
Senior and a Junior Adam Smith Club formed among
the artisans, showing that the teaching of political
economy has stimulated an interest in that subject. I
have mentioned to the Committee that in London
during the last term there were 1,411 students, of whom
700 (or 50 per cent.) stayed after the lecture for class
teaching, and 329 (or 23 per cent.) have written weekly
papers. This is equal to the average under the Cambridge system. Now I will not trouble the Commission
at much greater length, but I should like to say one
word upon our finance. We have worked the society, I
think I may say, with very great economy; our central
or administrative charges are extremely low. I have
mentioned that the lecturers are paid at a low rate, and
we keep a check upon the local committee by
requiring them to pay a third of the deficit. The total
expenditure in 1881 was, roughly, 1,600l. and the
number of students 1,200, which gives a charge of
1l. 6s. 8d. per head. With reference to the question as
to whether we ought to be entirely self supporting, if
we had had to charge 1l. 6s. 8d. to the students for the
lectures, three quarters of our students would have been
driven away. Some endowment, or I will not say endowment but some assistance, is almost indispensable
to our system. I can put in a table showing how far
our operations are self supporting (The document was
handed in, vide Appendix C.) So far as the lecturers
alone are concerned we stand thus. In 1876 the
amount was very small, because it was our first year,
we then received from the centres 98l. and paid out
111l., but in 1881 we received from the centres 1,019l.,
and the nett amount paid by us was only 161l. for
lectures alone, so that it was a per-centage of 13 per
cent. But besides the expenses of the lecturers we
have also got to pay the examiners, we have got to
pay a secretary, we have got to pay the small expenses of the central organisation and also the deficits,
if any, in the poorer districts. But if the Committee will look at paragraph 10 of the memorial that
we have sent in they will see that "the total
amount which the Society received in subscriptions and donations during the year 1881
was 491l., but of this sum a considerable proportion
was made up of special grants, upon a renewal of
which the society has no right to rely." Paragraph 9
states the financial position of the society. We have
been at work during four years, and it will be seen
that we have worked up until we have got 1,600
students. Our resources at present have only been
equal to our necessities by our late secretary working
with no remuneration at all. Of course we must have
a secretary in the long run who must be paid. "The
expenditure of the society is of two kinds:—(1)
contributions towards the expenses of the lectures,
scientific apparatus, and examiners' fees; and (2)
the current expenses of the society itself. These
latter charges have always been kept down to the
lowest possible level, and amounted last year (exclusive of a secretary's salary) to no more than 164l."
so that I think the Commission will see that we have
worked extraordinarily cheaply for a society which has
19 centres in different parts of London, but as it has
been found under the Cambridge syndicate, by fees
alone it is impossible to work it. We have got a
certain income from subscriptions and through grants
that some of the city companies have given us, sometimes 50l. and sometimes 100l., but we are now in
such a position that there is some danger of our being
obliged to suspend our operations altogether unless we
can put our finances upon a more satisfactory footing.
At all events we cannot have nearly as many experimental centres as is desirable, because the way to spread
our work is wherever we can get a local committee
of strength and energy together to try a course for
one year and if it succeeds to continue it, and if it does
not succeed then to drop it. It is in that way we
have ascertained where, in London, we can have our
permanent footing. Then I think the Commission will
see if they look at Sir Thomas Gresham's bequest that
we come very near indeed to doing the work which
is contemplated by that bequest. "Sir Thomas
Gresham provided for the endowment of 'seven
persons meet and sufficiently learned daily to read
the seven lectures on divinity, astronomy, music,
geometry, law, physic and rhetoric.'" The Commission will have evidence as to the degree to which
that is carried out by the Gresham College Committee, but I think we may fairly say, if anything is
done with that trust, that our objects come as near
to it as that of any society or body in London. The
object of the foundation was to bring not technical,
but what is now called, the higher education to
London. The seven lecturers were to live in the
college, and their lectures were to be given to the
people of London. That is just what our society
is doing. We endeavour to put a sample of university teaching and the results of university study
before the inhabitants of London. The Gresham
committee originally in 1598 (and this is very
curious) applied to Oxford and Cambridge to appoint
lecturers and to advise them generally how they
might better discharge the trust committed to them,
and we venture to think that we have taken precisely the course then recommended; we are giving
lectures to the people of London and we have taken
into council Oxford and Cambridge to appoint the
lecturers precisely as was requested by the trustees
of Sir Thomas Gresham. The present Gresham
scheme appears to be inadequate, there is no real
teaching, and I would point this out to the Commission,
that their lecturers only give four lectures at a time
at long intervals, that there is no class teaching, and
no attempt at system. We, on the other hand, give
twelve lectures, we have class teaching, and systematic
teaching is the one point at which we mainly aim and
without which Oxford and Cambridge would certainly
not go with us, because the joint Board insist upon
all our teaching being thorough. Then all the
Gresham lectures are given at six o'clock in the
evening. I believe the time and the place is against
them. We carry our work to the doors of as many of
the inhabitants in the metropolis as we can. We
think that we have proved that there is a demand for
our lectures; we are very modest, we think, in what
we wish: if we had 1,000l. a year we consider that we
should be able greatly to increase our work and to
perfect it in this way, that we should be able to purchase the necessary appliances for experimental
teaching in many cases; that we should be able to
work more in the poorer districts, and that we should
be able to feel that we could work permanently instead
of from hand to mouth as we have been going on at
present. That is our general scheme and the general
nature of our work.
2138. Do I understand that you would wish to be
more closely connected with the Gresham scheme ?
—Yes.
2139. That would be your main object?—That is
certainly one of our objects, and that would be the solution that we should most prefer. I think that the
Gresham estates had risen in 1821 to 7,000l. a year,
and as the sum of only 700l. a year is paid to the lecturers there is a very large balance which, according to
our contention, was intended for higher teaching and
which apparently is not applied to that object at present. But what we should like very much would be
fusion with the Gresham College, if with our organisation, connected as we are with the three universities, any kind of arrangement could be made. We
venture to think that our organisation is precisely
that which was contemplated by Sir Thomas Gresham,
and while they have got only a certain number of
students, who come into the city at 6 o'clock to attend
these comparatively few lectures, we have got now
the nucleus of higher education in 19 different parts
of London, and we feel that that may break down for
want of funds.
2140. (Viscount Sherbrooke.) Do you get any assistance from any of the City companies, I rather
gathered that you did ?—The Clothworkers' Company
have given us 100 guineas, and a promise to subscribe
20 pounds.
2141. Has anybody else done so ?—The Court of
Common Council gave us 50 guineas on one occasion.
2142. Is that all that you have had from the City
companies ?—That is all that we have had from the
City companies. I should say that we have applied to
some of the city companies and hope that we may
succeed in obtaining more funds, but I venture to
put it very strongly before the Commission, that if
there are funds available, it would be a pity that
our work should be dropped. Either we must be
supported more by private subscriptions, or we may
not be able to carry on a work which I think, judging
from the reports of the examiners, who are all practical university men, is of a thorough and satisfactory
kind. I also call attention again to the fact that our
administrative expenditure is very small, so that any
money we get may be looked upon as really intended
for developing education, and would not be at all
wasted. On our council we have endeavoured to
have representative men. I think it is a fairly representative council; I do not know whether the
Commission would care to hear who they are, but
there is one point, I should like to call attention to,
namely, that besides our own council, there are eight
or ten institutions in London, that nominate a member
to our council, namely: the Bedford College, the
Birkbeck Institution, the City of London College, the
College for Men and Women, King's College, the London Institution, Queen's College, the Royal Institution,
the Working Men's College, and University College.
They all act with us in that way; they give us the
advantage of having one of the members of their own
councils to act with us, so that we have the full
advantage of their experience both as regards lecturers
and as regards getting hold of the classes whom we
want to get hold of.
2143. Do you think if two or three or four thousand pounds were given to you every year certain,
that that would be the means of permanently improving your work ?—Yes, I think it would give us the
means of establishing ourselves quite permanently,
because we find (and that I think is very satisfactory)
that every year we have advanced, and every year
we find that more interest is taken in our proceedings.
It is very hard work in London to get hold of the
ground thoroughly, and it has been slow work but we
think that the work we have done has certainly been
good work.
2144. Do you think if you had this sum secured
to you that it would not send you all to sleep ?—Certainly I can say we have not been asleep so far.
2145. You have had to work for your money ?—
Yes.
2146. But suppose you had the money without
working for it, would it not have that effect ?—I do
not think so, because we have been very ambitious to
lay hold of the ground thoroughly; and I may say
that two years ago, I think we should have been
stopped altogether, unless I myself had written an
enormous number of private letters, to get 500l. or
600l. together from personal friends. But one cannot repeat that operation, or one would become a
nuisance to one's friends.
2147. You are now in the virtuous stage, but how
would it be if you were made rich, do you think ?—
Of course it is easy to waste money, but our system
is, I think, sound. I am bound to say that we should
like to increase the payment of our lecturers from
30l. to 40l., though we do get good lecturers. It is
rather low for the 12 lectures for the hour of the
lecture, for the class teaching afterwards, and for
looking over the papers afterwards. We are of
course anxious to get the very best men, and not
only the youngest men who may leave us if they get
better work. The way we are able occasionally to
get good men is by having various centres, one at
Whitechapel, another at Putney, another at Battersea,
and so on. In that way we are able to work in the
lecturers, so that they can deliver the same lecture at
each place, and through the same organisation make
a better income than they could if they were working
in an isolated way. The plan we have acted upon
through our central organisation, is to work in the
whole system of lecturers, of whom we have a list.
We have a list of lecturers, and supposing that a
local committee is formed at Lewisham or Blackheath,
or at Woolwich, they name their subject, and we
provide the lecturer. We have under the sanction
of the universities supplied so many political economy
lectures, and so many in English history, and so on.
The moment any demand is made we have our lecturer
ready, and he goes to that particular locality.
2148. (Duke of Bedford.) Do you find that those
who attend the lectures are sufficiently prepared in
their minds to benefit by the lectures?— That of
course is one of the difficulties, but there I point to
our success at Tower Hamlets, where in the first year
they may not have been sufficiently prepared, but
they have gone on from year to year, and our lecturers have been often surprised to see what good
work they get. It is for that reason that the class
teaching is very important. The class teaching is
worked in this way, that when they have difficulties
in the class, they place themselves in communication
with the lecturer after the class, and he examines
them orally or he explains the difficulties. Then we
have examiners who report to us, and the result of
the examination shows us any deficiency on the part
of the lecturers as much as on the part of the
students who go in. Our secretaries also attend
the lectures a great deal themselves, in order to be
able to see what the quality of the work is, and
to keep an eye upon the lecturers. I can put in one
of our reports. My eye lights upon a report of Professor Morley. He says, "Eleven candidates presented themselves for examination of whom all
have passed, 10 in the first division and one in the
second. The work done was very good throughout,
and the whole body of the answers made it clear
that the lectures had been generally well followed
and well understood. There were also satisfactory
evidences of home reading in connexion with the
course. I have read few sets of examination papers
that have shown more clearly than this set of 11,
at once the good quality of the matter taught, and
clear intelligent appreciation of the teaching." Here
I have got another. "On the other hand the fact
that at several centres the examiner has awarded
special marks of distinction (in all cases with the
entire concurrence of the lecturer), shows that the
society's lectures have often satisfied the requirements of the highest teaching. Thus at Hampstead,
one of the best candidates is said by the examiner
in English History to have done ' extremely well,
showing great grasp of facts, with a good deal of
insight and a clear and vigorous style'; whilst the
candidate at Battersea (where as in Whitechapel,
the class is largely composed of artisans), whom the
examiner recommends for the Cobden Club prize,
did excellently, and showed a sound and scholarly
knowledge of the theory of economics.' " Of course
the preparation of the students varies very much in
the different centres, but I think that we have been
satisfied that the work has been better than could
have been expected from the miscellaneous classes.
At the Easter examination in political economy at
the Tower Hamlets centre, where the students are
mainly artisans, Mr. Toynbee, the examiner, reported that 'all the candidates had done well,
their answers being clear, thoughtful, and generally
to the point,' and placed all five in the first
class."
2149. (Sir S. Waterlow.) May I take it that in
your opinion, and from your knowledge of the work
done by the Gresham Committee, and of the object
and purposes for which Sir Thomas Gresham left
that money, if that money was appropriated to carry
on the work which you now carry on, the object
intended would be better accomplished, and that a
much larger amount of useful education would be
given than is at present given by the Gresham Committee ?—That is my opinion.
2150. And therefore that the cause of education
would be generally promoted by either transferring
the funds at the disposal of the Gresham Committee
to a committee doing the work which you are doing,
or by compelling the Gresham Committee to vary the
form and manner in which they do their own work ?
—Yes, that is my opinion. Ours is a modern scheme
based upon the most recent educational experience—
experience gained by a good deal of labour by Cambridge mainly but also by Oxford University. Ours
is based upon those principles, whereas the Gresham
scheme is based upon comparatively older views and
is not doing at present such active work.
2151. I presume you know that very few persons comparatively attend the Gresham lectures ?—So I believe,
but upon that of course I could not speak, because I
have no knowledge. Some of the lectures that I have
heard of are not well attended, but there is a lecture
on music, which I have heard is well attended, and
some scientific lectures also.
2152. (Mr. Alderman Cotton.) I think your society
has only been established five years ?—Six years.
2153. Have you applied to any of the companies
for assistance lately, or was your application made in
your early days ?—I think we have applied at various
times, but I am not quite sure of that. At present we
have got applications before several of the companies,
and we shall be very glad of any assistance from them.
We stand at present in this way, that we shall have a
deficit in our accounts of 300l. at the end of the year,
unless by some means or other we get some financial
assistance; but I cannot believe that we shall have
to drop the work we are engaged in for the want of
a certain amount of financial assistance.
2154. (Mr. Pell.) Who gives the class instruction
of half an hour which follows the lecture?—The
lecturer.
2155. I think you said in answer to the Duke of
Bedford that it was found that those who attend the
lectures are now very much better prepared than they
were at the first commencement of your undertaking ?
—Yes.
2156. Do you know how they get that better preparation ?—It is by having listened to the lectures.
2157. Your effort has not given rise to the start of
any educational machinery, with special reference to
the London Society for the Extension of University
Education in the different centres where you are now
working ?—No, I think not. In the east end of London
I think it has created a considerable interest, and it is
working in with a desire to have a kind of central
establishment. There we want rooms, and that is
what we really should like to have.
2158. I was going to ask you about that.—It is
very interesting that in some places the lectures have
led to the foundation of permanent Educational institutions. The University College opened at Nottingham
distinctly came from the syndicate lectures, and there
the original endowment of 10,000l. was given "on
the condition that the Town Council would ' erect
buildings for the accommodation of the University
lecturers to the satisfaction of the University of
Cambridge.' Similar results have followed in
Chesterfield, Liverpool, Sheffield and other places."
The tendency of those lectures is to create, as we think,
and as experience has shown, a further demand, but
I think most members of the Commission know that
it is much more difficult to move people in London
than it is in the provincial towns, for the reason that
London is so large; and that it is easier even to collect
in a provincial town or to get people to put down
10,000l. to found a college than it is to do it in
London.
2159. In the Tower Hamlets how have you been
provided with rooms for those lectures, who has furnished them, or can you say what rooms you have
used ?—For a time the lectures were in the London
Hospital. The London Hospital Authorities lent us
a class room which was not very satisfactory, and now
the lectures are given in Mr. Barnett's schools. Mr.
Barnett is a member of our Council but we sometimes
have a difficulty with regard to rooms.
2160. Has Mr. Barnett wished to get you out, or
does he think he can accommodate you for sometime
to come ?—Mr. Barnett is anxious to get us out, but
Mr. Barnett is one of our most zealous friends. He
is a member of the council, and takes as deep an
interest in it as any one of us, I think. I should say
the Gilchrist trustees have given us 100l. a year, which
is also a trust for, I think, the payment of lecturers.
I have put in also the instructions for lecturers,
because they show distinctly the utilizing of the
classes. Perhaps I may just read this. " The
classes may be utilized by the lecturers in any
of the following ways:—(1.) For asking and
answering questions, generally as bearing on the
lecture of the preceding week. (2.) For pointing
out common errors in the written answers to the
weekly questions, and dwelling on points of general
interest suggested by them. (3.) For explaining
and further elucidating points in the lectures.
(4.) For conducting some line of study parallel to
that of the lectures. (5.) For reading important
extracts out of books. (6.) For going through a
text-book, or in such other way as may be found
expedient." We have insisted very much upon the
class work, though the lecturers sometimes have rather
found it long to lecture first for an hour, and then to
have class-teaching for another half-an-hour, but we
consider that one of the most essential points of our
scheme.
The witness withdrew.
Appendix.
A.
Copy of a Decree passed (without a division) in a Convocation
of the University of Oxford, 5th November 1878 :—
"That the delegates of local examinations be authorised
to appoint representatives out of their own number to cooperate with the London Society for the Extension of University teaching in such manner as to the delegates may
seem advisable."
Copy of a Grace passed (without a division) in the Senate of
the University of Cambridge, 11th December 1878 :—
" That the local lectures and examinations syndicate be
authorised to appoint representatives out of their own
number to co-operate with the London Society for the
Extension of University teaching in such manner as to the
syndicate may seem advisable."
B.
Instructions for lecturers, drawn up by the Universities
Joint Board and approved by the Council.
1. Each course, in connexion with which certificates are
given by the Joint Board, shall consist of not fewer
than twelve lectures and eleven classes, unless for special
reason assigned, and shall in no case consist of fewer than
ten lectures and nine classes. Each lecture is understood
to occupy about an hour, and each class not less than half
an hour.
2. The course shall be accompanied by a detailed syllabus
of each lecture (except where the lecturer shall be permitted to dispense therewith), which shall serve as a guide
to the students in following the lecture and in taking notes
of it.
3. At each lecture the lecturer shall give out questions
to be answered in writing at home by such of the pupils as
desire to do so, who shall be invited to submit their answers
to the lecturer for correction and comment.
4. The class each week may precede or follow the lecture
as may be found most suitable for the local arrangements,
and for the lecturer's system of dealing with the subject.
5. The classes in connexion with each course of lectures
shall be formed only from among those who are attending
that course, and shall consist of those who are desirous of
studying the subject more fully. The class shall, at the
discretion of the lecturer, take up either the subject of the
lectures or cognate subjects bearing directly thereon and
necessary for the better elucidation of the subject of the
lectures. The teaching in the class shall be more conversational than that in the lecture.
6. The classes may be utilized by the lecturers in any of
the following ways :—
(1). For asking and answering questions, generally as
bearing on the lecture of the preceding week.
(2). For pointing out common errors in the written
answers to the weekly questions, and dwelling on
points of general interest suggested by them.
(3). For explaining and further elucidating points in the
lectures.
(4). For conducting some line of study parallel to that
of the lectures.
(5). For reading important extracts out of books.
(6). For going through a text-book,
or in such other way as may be found expedient.
Rt. Hon. G. J. Goschen, M.P. 19 July 1883.
7. The lecturer shall each term, upon the conclusion of
the course, send to the Joint Board, filled in on a form for
that purpose:—
(1). A short report of the results of the weekly work,
&c., in connexion with each course.
(2). The names (in alphabetical order) of the candidates
who may be admitted to the final examination.
(3). The names (to be marked by an asterisk in the
above list) of those recommended for distinction
on the strength of the weekly work.
8. No one shall be admitted to the final examination
who has not attended the lectures and classes to the
lecturer's satisfaction. The Joint Board leave it to the
lecturer in each case to determine what is "satisfactory
attendance;" but in no case permits him to accept as
satisfactory, attendance at fewer than two thirds of the
lectures and classes. The Joint Board further leave it to
the discretion of the lecturer whether he will require, in
addition, a certain amount of weekly paper work as a
condition of entrance to the final examination. The lecturer
shall in his report state the method he has adopted.
9. In particular instances where individual students are
unable to attend the classes, the lecturer may, if he think
fit, and if he signify the same to the Joint Board in his
report, accept a sufficient amount of weekly paper work
instead of attendance at the classes.
10. In the first lecture of the course the lecturer should
explain the value of the class as an opportunity for having
difficulties explained, the importance of the weekly paper
work, and the conditions on which certificates are given.
He should state how far he means to insist upon weekly
papers as a qualification for the certificate, and should explain his method of correcting and marking.
11. The Joint Board requires six copies of each syllabus,
which should be sent to the Secretary, 22, Albemarle Street,
W., upon the conclusion of the course.
C.
Table I.—Showing how far the Society's operations tend
to become self-supporting so far as the lectures
alone are concerned.
|
| — | Paid to Lecturers. | Received from Centres. | Nett Amount paid by Society. | Per-centage of gross Expenditure. | — |
| £ | s. | d. | £ | s. | d. | £ | s. | d. |
| 1876 | 210 | 0 | 0 | 98 | 17 | 8 | 111 | 2 | 4 | 52.8 | 1876 |
| 1877 | 540 | 0 | 0 | 322 | 5 | 11 | 217 | 14 | 1 | 40.3 | 1877 |
| 1878 | 540 | 0 | 0 | 312 | 17 | 2 | 227 | 2 | 10 | 42.0 | 1878 |
| 1879 | 880 | 0 | 0 | 591 | 19 | 4 | 288 | 0 | 8 | 32.7 | 1879 |
| 1880 | 1,167 | 4 | 0 | 877 | 3 | 6 | 290 | 0 | 6 | 24.8 | 1880 |
| 1881 | 1,180 | 12 | 3 | 1,019 | 6 | 5 | 161 | 5 | 10 | 13.7 | 1881 |
N.B.—This table does not take into account the sums
paid by the Society in examiners' fees or scientific apparatus, but simply gives the amount paid in lecturers'
salaries.