Die Sabbati, 13 Nov. 1641.
PRAYERS.
Poll-money.
SIR Wm. Hicks, Sir Wm. Roe, Mr. Coniers, have paid
far less, as it is informed, to the Poll-money, than
they ought to have paid by the Act; being Men of very
great Estates.
Sir Wm. Elvis, Sir Patrick Abercromey, Sir Leonard
Forbey, Sir Wm. Barnes, refuse to pay the Poll-money,
and have nothing to be distrained.
Whereas several Certificates have been presented to
this House, of sundry Defaulters in Payment of the
Sums assessed upon them by virtue of the Bill of the
Poll-money: The House doth declare, and so order,
that the Collectors shall demand the said Sums of the
several Parties assessed; and shall accept no less than
double the Value, according to the Act; and shall
return such as shall be Defaulters, that the House may
take such Order as they shall think fit.
Mr. Reignolds, Mr. Whisler, Sir John Colpeper, Mr.
Whitlock, Sir Gilbert Gerard, * Mildmay, * Barrington,
Serjeant Wilde, are appointed to draw up an Order, according to the Meaning of this Declaration of the House,
concerning the Defaulters of the Payment of the Pollmoney; and to prepare a Certificate to be generally for
all the Counties; and the Order and the Certificate to
be printed: And are to meet this Afternoon, at Three
of Clock, in the inner Court of Wards.
Ordered, That Mr. Chaundeler of Winton be summoned to appear here, to give Information concerning
a Distress taken for the Not-payment of the Poll-money
according to the Act; and that Horwood, the Under
Sheriff of the County of Southampton, be forthwith
required to attend the Pleasure of this House.
Gold and Silver Thread.
Ordered, That all the Orders, concerning the Bringing
in of the Commission, Instructions, and Orders of the
Commissioners for Gold and Silver Thread, be suspended till after the Trials.
Duke of Florence's Agent.
Sir John Colpeper, Sir Ben. Rudyard, Sir Ralph Hopton,
Sir Tho. Barrington, Alderman Pennington, Sir Jo. Holland, Mr. Kirton, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Mr. Palmer, Lord
Falkland, J. Gray, Mr. Coke, Sir Arth. Ingram, Mr.
Reignolds, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Valentine, Sir Wm. Penyman,
Sir Edw. Rodney, Sir Beauchamp St. Johns, Sir Ro.
Harley, Mr. Lisle, Sir H. Mildmay, Sir Edw. Partridge,
Mr. Wallop, Mr. Morley, Mr. Strangewayes, Sir Edw.
Deering, Captain Rainsborough;
This Committee is to consider the Outrages offered to
Seignior Amerigo, Agent to the Duke of Florence; and
likewise to consider of the Abuses of those Men that are
employed by this House for Apprehending of Priests:
And they are to consider of some fit way of Reparations
to be made to Seignior Amerigo, if they shall find Cause;
and to present them to the House: And are to meet on
Monday Morning, at Eight of Clock, in the inner Court
of Wards.
Privilege of Parliament.
1a
vice lecta est Billa, An Act to restrain the Privilege
of Parliament, in some Cases, during this present Session
of Parliament.
Protections.
2da vice lecta est Billa prædicta; and, upon Question,
committed unto the former Committee for Protections:
And all, that will come, are to have Voices: And they
are to meet on Monday Morning, at Eight of Clock, in
the Star-chamber.
Loan from the City.
Sir Tho. Barrington reports the Answer of the City
to the Proposition of lending Monies:
"1. That the Committee, appointed to go to the
City for Monies, found a great deal of Readiness and
Willingness in the City to lend Money.-The
Lord Mayor desired to know the Particulars we had
in Charge for their Security: Which being made known
unto them, together with the miserable Condition of
Ireland; Mr. Recorder (who did very much promote
the Business) pressed them to give their Votes: But,
before they did That, They desired, by way of Proposition, to offer something (not by way of Contract) to this
Honourable House: 1. That the Money should be paid
as soon as the Act was passed. 2. That, by reason of the
Privilege of the Members of both Houses, and by reason
of the Protections granted (especially by the Lords) a
vast Sum of Money is detained from them, so that
Trade cannot be driven; nor are they so enabled to
lend Monies for the Service of the Commonwealth as
they desired. 3. They said, they were sensible of the
Miseries of the Protestants in Ireland, and of the Power
of the Papists there; and therefore did press with much
Earnestness, that the Persons of the Popish Lords, and
other Persons of Quality here in England, might be
secured, lest some Design be by them here, as they
have Cause to fear. Next, that there were divers Laws
and good Motions, sent up to the Lords, for the Good
of this Church and Commonwealth; and that the great
Impediment which did arise there, that they passed
not, was from the Bishops; and did conceive, so long as
their Votes was in Parliament, it would be a Hindrance
to the Progress of all good Laws and Motions; and
therefore desired a further Endeavour to take away their
Votes.-This being thus said by them, they put it to
the Vote for lending Monies; and not One Hand or
Vote against it: And did declare, that, if the Lord
Mayor would send to every Ward, they would presently
pay the Monies, or subscribe to do it in a short time.
Proceedings against the Bishops.
The Plea and Demurrer of Twelve of the Bishops,
charged by this House, was twice read.
Resolved, upon the Question, That this Plea and Demurrer of the Bishops is dilatory and insufficient.
Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Glyn, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Bridgeman, Mr. Ellis, Sir Tho. Widdrington,
Mr. Reignolds, Mr. Hill, Mr. Bagshaw, Mr. Holborne,
Mr. Grimston, Mr. White, Mr. Sands, Mr. Corbett, Mr.
King;
This Committee is to consider of the Plea and Demurrer of the Twelve Bishops, and to present their
Opinions, what they think fit to be done upon it; and
likewise to consider of the Answer of the Thirteenth:
And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers,
Records: And are to withdraw presently into the inner
Court of Wards.
Irish Affairs.
A Letter from the Treasurer at Wars in Ireland,
directed to Sir Ro. Kinge, was this Day read: And
thereupon it was
Resolved, upon the Question, That, upon this new
Advertisement, this House shall again debate concerning
a farther Assistance now to be desired of the Scotts, not-withstanding the former Order.
Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it
fit, that the Assistance of Four thousand Men more shall
be desired, to be added to the Number of One thousand
formerly resolved to be desired of the Scotts, for the
present Expedition into Ireland.
Lords desired to sit.
Lord Cramborne is appointed to go to the Lords;
To acquaint their Lordships, that this House is now
upon Businesses of great Importance; and do believe, that
they shall have Occasion to come up to their Lordships;
and therefore to desire they would be pleased to sit.
Petition to the King.
Ordered, That a Petition be prepared, to be presented
from both Houses to his Majesty, in case his Majesty,
and our Committees, be first come out of Scotland, before
these Instructions be presented to his Majesty, humbly
beseeching his Majesty to recommend the same to the
Parliament in Scotland.
Lords to sit.
Lord Cramborne brings Answer, that their Lordships
will sit this Afternoon, as is desired.
Irish Soldiers.
Ordered, That the Committee appointed to examine
Roberts, the Paymaster to the Irish Soldiers, do take into
Consideration the Examination of a Business, whereof the
House is now informed, concerning great Sums of Money
provided for the Payment of Irish Soldiers, and others,
taken up to be transported beyond the Seas: And to have
Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, and Writings.
Proceedings against the Bishops.
Serjeant Wilde reports from the Committee appointed
to consider of the Twelve Bishops Plea and Demurrer,
that they, after long Debate, and Variety of Opinions,
they came at last to this Conclusion; That this Plea and
Demurrer is dilatory and insufficient; and that these
Twelve Bishops have made no Answer; and therefore to
desire the Lords, they may put in a peremptory Answer,
such as they will stand unto.
Ordered, That this Debate, concerning the Plea and
Demurrer of the Bishops, shall be resumed on Monday
Morning at Ten of Clock.
Instructions to Committee in Scotland.
Mr. Pym presents, from the Committee, the Instructions to be sent into Scotland, with some Alterations.
Lord Grey is appointed to go to the Lords with this
Message;
To desire a Conference with their Lordships, by a
Committee of both Houses, so soon as will stand with
their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Instructions
to be sent to the Committees attending his Majesty in
Scotland.
The Petition from bóth Houses to his Majesty was
read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.
That the Addition of the Lords, as is more particularly expressed in the Fifth Article, now at the End of
that Article, shall be transposed in the Tenth Line of the
Second Article.
The Addition to the Fourth Article;
The Alteration in the Eighth Article;
These Additions and Alterations were all severally put
to the Question, and assented unto.
Then the Instructions to the Messenger were likewise
read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.
Resolved, upon the Question, That One Head of the
Conference shall be to express unto the Lords, that the
Matter of the Sixth Article is so important, that this
House cannot recede from it; but do intend to send it
to his Majesty within these Four days; and would be
very glad to know their Lordships Resolutions of joining
with them in that Time.
Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Hampden, are appointed
Managers of this Conference.
Lord Grey brings Answer, that their Lordships will
give a present Meeting, as is desired.
Royal Family's Servants.
Ordered, That Mr. Strode shall go with this Message
to the Lords on Monday Morning:
To desire their Lordships to give Directions, that a
Commission may issue to some of the Lords, for the
Tendering the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy to the
Servants belonging to the King, the Queen, the Prince,
and the rest of the King's Children, as well ordinary as
extraordinary, Strangers or others.
Instructions to Committee in Scotland.
Mr. Pym reports from the Conference of both Houses,
That whereas he presented to the Lords at the Conference, the Instructions, with their Amendments, the
Petition to his Majesty, and the Instructions to the Messenger; that they have assented unto them all; and that,
as to the Sixth Article to the Instructions, they will take
the Time mentioned by this House to consider of it.
Ordered, That these Instructions and Petitions shall
be fair ingrossed, and signed by Mr. Speaker.
The Letter to be sent to the Committees was likewise
read; and put to the Question; and assented unto.
It was likewise farther Ordered, that in the said Letter,
should be inclosed the Order of this House of the 4th
of Nov. concerning the Committees enjoining Mr. Webb
to deliver unto them the Letter that was written from a
Member of this House; a Part whereof was read the said
4th of Nov.
An Addition to Mr. Pickering's Instructions, viz. that
in case he should not meet with the Committees at Edenborough, that then he should have Liberty to open the
Letter, and to go to the Lord General, according as is
specified in the Letter, was likewise read; and, upon the
Question, assented unto.