Henry VIII
September 1534, 6-10

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'Henry VIII: September 1534, 6-10', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 7: 1534 (1883), pp. 445-450. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=79336 Date accessed: 27 November 2014.


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September 1534, 6–10

6 Sept.1134. Cromwell to Sir Roger Reynolds, Master of the Hospital of St. John, Huntingdon, Robt. Wolf, Bailiff there, and John Kytche.
R. O.The King orders them to repair hither to answer such things as will be laid and objected to them on his behalf. My house at Canbery, 6 Sept. Signed.
P. 1. Add.
6 Sept.1135. Henry Dowes to Cromwell.
R. O.
Ellis, 3 Ser. I. 343.
Has used every effort to advance Mr. Gregory in his studies. “But forcause summer was spent in the service of the wild gods, it is so much to be regarded after what fashion youth is brought up.” After his pupil has “heard mass he taketh a lecture of a dialogue of Erasmus' Colloquium, called Pietas Puerilis.” To enforce the precepts contained in it Dowes has made a translation, which he encloses. His pupil is then exercised in writing one or two hours, and as long in reading Fabyan's chronicle. The residue of the day is spent upon the lute and the virginals. When he rides Dowes tells him a Greek or Roman story. He hunts and shoots with the long bow for recreation. My lord (fn. 1) continues his goodness to him, and Sir John Dawne, Sir Hy. Delves, Mr. Massey, Mr. Brereton, Baron of the Exchequer, and other gentlemen of the county are very kind. Chester, Sept. 6.
Hol. Add.: Master Secretary.
7 Sept.1136. Rob. Norwich to Cromwell.
R. O.I should have been glad to have waited upon you in these parts, and have seen your greyhounds run. Touching Langryche's lands near Nasyngbery, if it be the King's pleasure you should enter on them at Michaelmas, and take the profits for the debt due by him to the King, you may do so without opposition if you enter by the execution of the recognisance. Mr. Stonard, to whom you desire warning should be given, desires he may have it in farm, paying you the rent. If not, he thinks it very short to leave at Michaelmas, as he cannot dispose of his cattle. There is also one poor man in the house who knows not where to go if he should be turned out. I shall do my best to further the King's pleasure and yours. If you tarry at London, Stonard and I will wait upon you. Waltham Forest, 7 Sept. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Secretary
7 Sept.1137. Francis Halle to Lady Lisle.
R. O.Thanks for lord and lady Lisle's kind letter. Goes tomorrow to the country to his mother. Wishes his business were well done and he were back at Calais. Yesterday Geo. Bowsser asked him to write to lady Lisle on his behalf. He desires to continue in her service, and wishes to come to Calais. Letters from Wingfield's place will be always sent surely to him. London, 7 Sept. 1534.
Hol., p. l. Add.: At Calais.
7 Sept.1138. Petit Jean Lavaux to Sir Thos. Dingley. (fn. 2)
R. O.Informs him that his uncle and all the house are well. Has news from St. John's that the auditor Pinfol is dead of the plague, and the wife of Nich. Cokis, and some of the gentlewomen whom madame Marie had given to her (luy avoit baillé) to teach ; also a little boy. Mons. has made master Morice Denys his maître d'hôtel, and also his receiver-general. Is informed that master Costance is very ill at Melchebourne. Robin, one of the servants of the kitchen, is also dead at St. John's. Soutton (?), 7 Sept.
Hol., Fr. p. l. Add.: Mons. le commandeur de Badesley and (fn. 3) Mayne, Sire Thomas Dyngley. Endd.
8 Sept.1139. Dr. Richard Dudley to Cromwell.
R. O.On the 7th Sept. I received your letters stating that I pretend an interest in a certain benefice lately fallen in the gift of the dean and chapter of Sarum, and which, according to our custom, should descend to Dr. Fynche. (fn. 4) You also ask me to act indifferently towards him. I do not meddle therein, but have remitted myself to the determination of the other canons residentiary of our chapter, desiring you to allow them to proceed indifferently in this matter. Sarum, 8 Sept. Signed.
P. l. Add.: Secretary. Sealed.
9 Sept.1140. The Princess Mary.
Add. MS. 28,587, f. 23.
B.M.
“Relacion de lo que escrive el conde de Cifuentes a su Md., 22 Aug. 9 Sept. 1534.”
Carniseca tells him that the King of England has agreed to marry the Princess to the Vayvode, and is arranging to send her without passing through the Emperor's country, which will be difficult. * * *
Sp., pp. 5. Modern copy.
10 Sept.1141. Chapuys to Charles V.
Vienna Archives.I understand the affairs of Ireland go more and more to the wish of the young earl of Kildare, who has reduced all the lords lately subject to the King, except the grand prior of Rhodes in Ireland and the earl of Ossory (Dansrey), who has thrown himself into Waterford and another town, which are very strong, and has lately written to the King, as I am informed by one who has seen the letter, that if he will send 500 good footmen and 300 horse, he will keep it up till the arrival of the army the King is to send, and that great care must be taken that they shall not go to any other harbor than those two, for there was no surety elsewhere. The Earl also desired to be provided with two zabres or pinnaces, declaring they would be of great service. He notified also that your majesty had sent thither ambassadors, who had been negotiating with almost all the lords of that country, and there were some of them who passed and repassed into Spain, and others who were going into Scotland and thence to Flanders; moreover that there had arrived in Ireland two Spanish vessels carrying munitions of war (tonelades de lames de guerre et autres utensilles pour la gucrre). I am told that on the frontiers of Wales and of the North they were making great efforts to muster the men demanded by the earl of Ossory, but there is scarcely any one who will go, and many are imprisoned for refusal.
The King's Council have been anxious to show the said letter to several persons to convince people that everything is not lost or so desperate as they believe. It is no use now talking of sending ships and 12,000 men this winter, for the season dose not permit it, and many think that at this time the King would not dare to make such a gathering, as they might mutiny at the least wind in the world. The meeting the King had made to see to the affairs of Ireland has gone off in smoke, and it does not appear that anything has been concluded, except to publish through this town with solemnity of heralds trumpets the peace made between this king and the king of Scots.
This has been done to confirm the people in obedience; for which cause also Cromwell said a few days ago, in presence of several persons, that before many days were over lord Thomas of Kildare would be in this kingdom, meaning that this would be done by some treaty. Also Cromwell three days ago, being in Court, would not allow a certain merchant who was returning from here to depart until he had shown him a letter he had received stating that the earl of Desmond had declared himself against the said lord Thomas, of which he informed the said merchant that he might notify it in this city. The merchant has not failed to speak of it to his friends, adding, however, his own opinion that it was a falsehood and the letter forged.
The duke of Norfolk being the high treasurer of England and well experienced in war, especially in Ireland, nevertheless left the Court to go home a little before the said meeting, and returned immediately after the other lords had left; so that it is thought he only left the Court to be away when the affairs of Ireland were discussed, — and this out of disdain that the King despised his advice, and at the suggestion of Cromwell and Skeffington had illtreated the earl of Kildare and ruined the affairs of Ireland. On this subject the Duke and Cromwell had reproached each other with many things before the said meeting, which shows the illwill they have borne each other a long time, however much they have dissembled it. Among other things Cromwell told the Duke that he was more the cause of the said ruin than any other, because he wished to keep the duke of Richmond near himself and his daughter, Richmond's wife, and that if he had let him go into Ireland eight months ago, these things would not have happened. Some one also told the duke of Norfolk when he returned to Court that the King would send him into Ireland, and that he wished to be informed about it that he might make ready to follow him; to which the Duke answered that if the King wished to send him into Ireland, he ought first to make a bridge over the sea, that he might return freely when he pleased.
The earl of Kildare's son-in-law, brother-in-law of lord Thomas, has been here some time and his wife also, pursuing certain processes against the Exchequer; in which, owing to what is taking place, they have had a favorable despatch, and the King requests them to return the sooner into Ireland that they may do him service, either by friendship or otherwise; which they would not do willingly, and have found several excuses. At last he has been overtaken by fever, of which he is very glad to have legitimate excuse, as his host declares, being quite assured that if he returned to Ireland, he would get nothing but harm from it on one side or other. Skeffington has long since arrived at the port to pass into Ireland, but has not yet embarked. He repents of having undertaken the voyage, and four or five days ago sent his son to Court to show the King the great danger it would be if he crossed without a good company. He took with him 50 or 60 horses, and in the ship of artillery there went some men, of whom, I am told, several have returned, seeing the danger. It is said also that lord Thomas of Kildare is sending back his wife into this quarter, alleging that they were both under age at the time of the treaty of marriage, and that he was forced to make it by the King's command, and that he means to marry the daughter of the lord of that district (de cc quartier-là). The King, whatever he pretends, is marvellously troubled with these matters, and I understand from a person of weight that be said not long ago that he would like much better to have a war against your majesty and another such as you, than against the Irish. And among other things he is greatly annoyed that the said Kildare is in the habit of defaming him both by writings and otherwise; and lately there have come into the King's hand letters in which, besides many reproaches against the King, he threatens that he would expel him from the kingdom if it were not for fear of his father being worse treated. These things Cromwell told to a priest, who formerly served the earl of Kildare, when he solicited money of him for the support of Kildare's lady, with whom he dwells. He is an honest man, who has communicated to me by a third person what he could find out about the said affairs, although I dare not give entire faith to what he tells me, nor even to what the greater part of the English do, who take things as they wish them to be, and speak the worst they can to the disadvantage of the King. My servants are much troubled when they go through the town to hear people continually talking of it in the usual vein. It is high time your majesty made some semblance of wishing to remedy affairs, as all the world is listening for a signal to declare themselves.
The earl of Kildare is still in prison, but has been allowed more liberty of late, and his wife has got leave to visit him freely. Now he has relapsed into illness, and it is not known how long his case will be protracted, either as to the illness or as to the rest. I understand there was some proposal when he got a little better to send him into Ireland to influence his son; but I suspect that if he were to speak to his said son, he would do as Regulus did when the Carthaginians sent him to Rome, advising him rather to pursue the enterprise than otherwise, even if he were to die in prison, especially as he could not live. When any one speaks to him about the affair of his son, he does not care to blame him but shows himself very glad of it, only wishing his son a little more age and experience.
The King is as much pleased with the descent of Barbarossa as he is displeased with these news from Ireland. He founds his hope upon him and the Turk his master. The ambassadors of Lubeck and Hamburg have returned, leaving here three doctors to decide the rest of the articles, of which I have before written to your majesty, and to discuss the whole at the coming Parliament. They are at present occupied in writing on the question of the Sacrament. God grant that they may conclude about it and about confession otherwise than world expects. I have endeavored to spy out as far as possible whether there be any treaty between the King and the said ambassadors, but I find no one but believes the contrary. They did not speak to the King at their departure, nor for six weeks before; nor were they with the Council since the first communications, which were only on questions of religion, as I informed you. It is thought the King will hasten his Parliament in order to despatch the said doctors the sooner, and Cromwell understands that at the said Parliament the King will distribute among the gentlemen of the kingdom the greater part of the ecclesiastical revenues to gain their goodwill. It was expected that the said ambassadors, having been asked by the King to come here, would have had some notable present, but it has not been so.
This morning since writing the above I have received your majesty's letters with the documents therein mentioned, to which as well as to those of the 5th I think I have made sufficient answer above. 10 Sept. 1534.
Fr. Decipher, pp. 7. From a modern copy.
10 Sept.1142. Darcy to Cromwell.
R. O.Thanks him for his favors, especially to his poor son Sir Arthur Darcy, by whom he proposes to send a letter and a petition at Cromwell's next repairing to his Grace's presence. He shall accompany Cromwell to the Court, and present it when Cromwell thinks best. Trusts to have his lawful favor. But for his “fulsum diseassis,” would be with Cromwell. Mortlake, 10 Sept.
Hol., pp. 2. Add.: Secretary.
1143. Lord Darcy to Sir Arthur Darcy.
R. O.“Instructions for my son Sir Arthur:“—
1. Is to peruse carefully the King and Mr. Crumwell's letters. 2. If he sees a time he is to desire Crumwell to peruse the copy of Lord Darcy's letter and bill, and when he is by present them to the King. 3. Has sent with Bean 20s. for “my old fellows of the Signet” who have to draw the warrants. 4. To have Mr. Butts and Mr. Bertlott to be by, or procure that each of them apart may make report of my diseases to Mr. Crumwell at dinner or otherwise. 5. For no goodness in him, but to stop his evil tongue, to submit my bill and letter to my lord of Norfolk, “and of special trust my good cousin the Treasurer.” 6. To tell the Treasurer that when I have sped in the premises I will attend him at Westminster for judgment of my great charges of (for?) Will. Lee, though Lee is very rich. To remind him of all the slanders and troubles I have sustained, “onle all by his meanes, to be a grett luffer.” 7. All lords spiritual and temporal have been at home often, and I never since Parliament began. 8. Mr. Buttes and Mr. Bartlott bear each to other but “easy favors.” Therefore use them apart. 9. To remember your promise to Gowen. Urge my business amain, and as my lord of Northumberland's letter was, “Haste, haste, post haste,” &c.
P.S. —If my son the captain of the Guard be privy to my matters he will set them forward either at Mr. Treasurer or Mr. Secretary's board. Dr. Buttes only requires to be pricked.
Hol., Pp. 3.

Footnotes

1 Rowland Lee, bishop of Coventry and Lichfield.
2 The precise year in which this letter was written in uncertain.
3 Sic.
4 Ewd Fynche, archdeacon of Wiltshire?.