Henry VIII
November 1544, 11-15

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'Henry VIII: November 1544, 11-15', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 19 Part 2: August-December 1544 (1905), pp. 355-370. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80346 Date accessed: 30 July 2014.


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November 1544, 11-15

11 Nov.590. London, St. Mary Rouncivall nigh Charing Cross.
R.O.Surrender by the master, wardens, brethren and sisters of the fraternity or guild in the chapel of St. Mary of Rounsidevall beside Charingecrosse in the suburbs of London of their chapel, churchyard, lands and all their possessions. 11 Nov. 36 Hen. VIII. No signatures.
Seal injured. Endd. by Walter Hendle, as taken before him.
[See Eighth Report of Dep. Keeper of Public Records, App. II. 29.]
[ Nov.]591. The Privy Council to [Lisle].
The King, having received your good Lordship's letters of the 5th inst., with the harnesses and handguns, thanks you, and is pleased with your advice to appoint Mr. Poninges captain of his crew in Base Bulleyn and Mr. Wyatt captain of those about the Old Man. As for lord Grey, you will, ere this, know the King's pleasure for his return to Guisnes. The King likes your order for keeping clean of the Upper and Base Bulleyn. To prevent waste, all victuals are to be received whole and afterwards sold to the soldiers, who are not to be suffered to repair to the ships for victuals at their will. The King has received your platt for a bastilian at the Old Man; and whereas he lately despatched Thomas Palmer and the Surveyor of Bulleyn with another platt (fn. 1) and his resolution for fortifications to be made at the Old Man, he requires you to stay them from doing anything therein till further notice, and meanwhile to employ the labourers upon other necessary things.
Draft in Petre's hand, pp. 2.
R.O.mdr id="2">2. Fair copy of the above, down to the words "received your platt for a bastilian."
P. 1.
11 Nov.592. The Privy Council to Lisle.
R.O.The King sends you, by bearer, the form of the plat you sent for fortification beside the Old Man; to which he has made some additions and alterations. If you think that, thus altered, it may be made as strong as the other (the King taking it to be of no less force and much sooner to be made) you shall proceed in it, with the advice of Thomas Palmer "and such other to whom his Majesty hath committed that charge." If not, proceeding meanwhile with the parts where no alteration is made, you shall advertise the King of your opinion. To make the corners of the bulwarks which cover the flanks the King thinks that "with stakes and rods wound together with other timber you may keep them up as well as if they were made with turf or any other kind of earth. And for the galleries which be appointed from the inner braye, and so to run about the mountes which must be twelve foot wide within, his Majesty's pleasure is you shall make them of timber, and board them on the outside with board of two inches thick, and make it so full of holes as a great number may stand and shoot out of them at one time, and to cover the roof of the same with board; which his Majesty doth not only take for a wonderful force but also a great commodity and strength for th'olding up of your mountes, if special regard be had, in the making of them, so as you fasten the timber of your galleries, with long timber, into your mountes."
Draft, pp. 2. Endd.: M. to my 1. Admyral, xjo Novembr. 1544.
11 Nov.593. Shrewsbury and Others to the Council.
Add. MS.
32,656, f. 30.
B.M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii., No. 359.
Herewith are letters received from the Wardens of the East and Middle Marches, also another letter to Shrewsbury from lord Evers and other Commissioners for the levying of a "loan silver" for three years from Scots and other aliens in Northumberland. Darneton, 11 Nov. 1544. Signed by Shrewsbury, Tunstall and Sadler.
P.S.—Received a letter (enclosed) from lord Evers, with one to him from Gilbert Swynhoe of intelligences out of Scotland.
P. 1. Add. Endd.
11 Nov.594. The Baron of Upper Ossory to St. Leger.
R.O.
St. P., iii. 510.
On Monday (fn. 2) next before the feast of St. Martin the earls of Ormond Desmond held a meeting in the field of the Long Stone on the highway to Limerick for some secret purpose. Fears that some sinister suspicion was the cause, and begs St. Leger to consider why Ormond thus accedes to the instance of the other earl. Since St. Leger returned from Limerick Ormond has daily striven to procure peace with the other nobles and has lately sent three gentlemen of his household on secret business to Captain Omora; and the abp. and dean of Casshel, as Ormond's ambassadors, continually go about making secret leagues with the neighbouring lords. Suspects that it is done to St. Leger's prejudice and will be vigilant. Ex manerio nostro de Castello Aque, xjo die mensis Novembris anno instanti.
Begs him to keep the authorship of this secret for the present.
Hol. Lat., p. 1. Headed: Antonio Sentleger, Regie Majestatis deputato. Endd.: The baron of Upper Osserie to the Deputie.
11 Nov.595. Paget to Petre.
R.O.I send herewith a letter to the King from the ambassadors with the Emperor, "in reading whereof you must take heed, for my lord of Winchester was so diligent in placing every other man saving the secretary (fn. 3) (whose standing was very necessary to be put in the letter as a matter much material) that he forgot to place well the leaves of the letter; howbeit he is to be borne with, though he do a little disgrace the secretaries, because he hath so much advanced the place of the secretaries in England scilicet." Suffolk and others, knowing no cause to tarry here, long to see the King, and so does Paget. Encloses a letter from Mr. Kerne to be shown to the King. Commendations to the "lord Chancellor, etc," and to Petre's wife. Calais, 11 Nov., in the morning, 1544.
P.S.—Doubtless the King has heard of the French ship coming out of Scotland, which Gray and May, captain and master in one of the King's ships, chased, and which was taken by two Dunkirk men-of-war that lay before Calais for wafting of the herring fishers. They carried her to Dunkirk and, notwithstanding anything we could write, have unladen her and referred us for answer to the Emperor. This morning we sent Gray to instruct my lords with the Emperor to solicit the matter. The ship is the Françoys of Diepe.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.
11 Nov.596. Paget to Chr. Mont.
R.O.
St. P., x. 187.
I have received your letters to the King and myself by a servant of the King's, "one that meddleth with printing"; which, as I am here at Calais, I have sent over into England trusting at my return thither, within a day or two, to do you some pleasure. I note that you say that the princes of that country must needs have some outward amity, and would, you think, gladly enter league with the King. You know my own affection that way; and therefore I desire to know what moved you to write so. I have not heard that any of the Princes have lately sent ambassador or message to the King for that purpose. I doubt not but, if they send for that purpose, "minding to grow to any indifferent conformity in certain matters of religion, which was the cause there was no full agreement at the last time they sent ambassadors," they shall have such answer as should content them. Praying you to let me have answer hereof soon; and, if you know the inclination of any of the Princes, to advertise me of the circumstances. Calais, 11 Nov. 1544.
Draft in Paget's hand, p. 1. Endd.: Myself to Chr'opher Mounte, xijo Novembr. 1544.
Nov.597. Sir Thomas Seymour to the Council.
R.O.
St. P., i. 776.
Here is arrived out of France, by safe-conduct, a servant of Mr. Sadeler's, the merchant, who left Newhaven in Normandy on Friday last. (fn. 4) Learns from him that, on the 24th ult., the French king visited in Rowan four galleys which are finished in the river there, and another is at Powntdelarche. The French king has sent to Marselles for 25 galleys and commanded six more to be made at Rowan. Those from Marselles are to bring with them all great ships they meet, "Venyseans, Aragoses, Yetalyans or what so ever they be, ether be fayre mens or fowle," to be on the coast of Normandy in the beginning of next year. The two Arragossayes (fn. 5) which they took on this coast are at Newhaven, ships of 500 a piece. There are no men-of-war at sea, but two at Feccam which waft the fishers or herring men. All the fleet that was lately on the sea was sent to keep the King from returning from Bolen, and is now, unrigged, at Hunflew and Newhaven, where, the night before he (Seymour's informant) departed, "was burnt the greatest of the three galleys which came from Marselles, named La Ryall." Out of Normandy are departed and ready to depart 30 sail, to Bordyowese for wine; and 40 sail are expected daily from Borduwes. The voice goes that the Emperor lately sent word to the French king "that he will be friend to friend and enemy to enemy." The Bishop of Rome has sent a legate to offer the French king, against the King's Highness, 10,000 or 12,000 men of war at his own charges. The Frenchmen will at the beginning of the year send an army to fortify the watch tower at Bolen, so that no man shall enter the haven; saying that they will win it sooner thus than by a siege with 50,000 men. The Dolfen absents himself from Court because the peace made between the French king and Emperor "is not for his profit." There is come to Merselles "a grett man whosse name ys le Pryour de Decapewa. (fn. 6) "
Word is just brought that Mr. Strowd and all the men in the Crestover of Breme, save 12, were lost on the Wight on Saturday night last. (fn. 7) The Strwse of Dansyke, the Swepstake and the Trenete Harry "must be brought aground for ij of them be in a leak." Hearing that the seas are clear, means to send Mr. Watteres with the victuals prepared here for Bolen; for Mr. Carry has been sick in bed three days and cannot yet rise to come a-land. Will send with the victuals the Swallo, the Lyon, the Artigo, the Coke of Hanbrow (which is not meet to be in the King's wages for her slow sailing), the New Barke, the New Boyer, the Lesse Penas, and the Lesse Shalope. The rest remain here until he knows whether the King will have him meet with the fleets coming from Bordyowes, for which purpose he would choose but the following ships (and send the rest home), viz., the Pance, the Lesse Galle, the Salmander, the Strwse of Danseke, the Mary of Hanborow, the Premrose, the Menon, the Genett, the Fawcon, the Dragon, the Mary Hanforde, the Tepken. Would put all the rest out of wages until the King had more need to keep the seas.
Hol., pp. 5. Add. Endd.. ——— (blank), Novembris 1544.
R.O.2. List of ships with the (corrected) numbers of men in them and the names of their captains as in No. 502(4), arranged in two sets, viz.:—
i. "Ships chosen to go with Sir Thomas Seymour."—The Pauncye, Lesse Galley, Salamander, Strewse of Danscike, Mary of Hamborow, Tepken, Prymrose, Mynion, Genet, Fawcon, Dragon, Mary Hamford. Total of men, 2,220.
ii. "Ships appointed by Mr. Seymour to conduct the victuals from Portesmouth to Bulloyn."—The Swepestake, Swallow, Lyon, Artigo, Hone of Hamborow, New Barke, New Boyer, Less Pynnas (no captain named), and Lesse Shallop (no captain named). Total of men, 940.
Pp. 2. Endd: Ships chosen to go with Mr. Seymour, and others to conduct the victuals to Bulloyn.
12 Nov.598. Shrewsbury and Others to the Council.
Add. MS.
32,656, f. 32.
B.M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii., No. 360.
Enclose letters from the warden of the East Marches. Yesterday arrived the Council's letters declaring the King's pleasure for diminishing the garrisons. If the Scots who have laid pledges mean good faith and the others mentioned in the wardens' said letters come in and "do the like," the King will need no great garrison, but, considering that fear only compels these Scots to come in, and the weakening of the garrisons may stay such as would come in, and also that (by advertisements sent up in our last) the Scots look for aid out of France and intend at their present Parliament to lay garrisons on their Borders (albeit we believe it not) we forbear forthwith to diminish the garrisons; who are all paid up to the last day of this month, before which day we will take order for diminishing them. Darneton, 12 Nov. 1544. Signed by Shrewsbury, Tunstall and Sadler.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
12 Nov.599. Mayor and Brethren of Newcastle to Shrewsbury.
Add. MS.
32,656, f. 39.
B.M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii., No. 361(3).
The mayor and such of his brethren as are at home on receipt of his letters dated at Darnton, 10 Nov., sent for such others as were nigh the town, and for the most honest inhabitants and owners and masters of ships. Find that most of the mariners of this town are in the King's service and in ports of Norfolk and Suffolk—"fled for the sore visitation which hath been here, and as yet not all quenched"—and such ships as could get mariners sailed hence at Lammas and are now driven into harbours and some of them taken by men of war. The ships at home (which are of the best belonging to the town) cannot get 30 mariners for merchandise; and although this is our principal shipping season we are driven to forbear until the town may be in a better stay, lest that in our hasty meddling we bring this town in a further desolation to the utter undoing of us." Newcastle upon Tyne, 12 Nov. Signed by Robert Lewen, Jamys Lawson, Herre Anderson, Robert Brandlyng and Andro Bewyk.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.: 1544.
13 Nov.600. The Privy Council to Sir Thomas Seymour.
R.O.The King having seen the advertisements you wrote to us as reported to you by a servant of Mr. Sadleyr's, thanks you, and wills us to answer that (where, you, upon intelligence that the seas be clear, meant to send Edw. Waters with ships mentioned in your letters to waft victuals from Portesmouth to Bulloyn and keep the Narrow Seas while yourself with certain other ships should be discharged out of wages) his Majesty likes your advice and sends the enclosed schedule showing his resolution (1) touching the ships to go with you, (2) touching the ships appointed to keep the Narrow Seas and to trouble the French fishing, of which Brooke of the Rodes shall be vice-admiral, because Edw. Waters, being clerk of the ships, shall come with the ships to be discharged to London, to be employed about provision of timber, and (3) the names of ships to be discharged and sent to London. Of the ships discharged you shall take order for saving the ordnance, powder, harness and surplus victuals; and you shall bestow certain of the best mariners and soldiers in other ships, discharging weaker men in their place. Also you shall discharge presently such men as dwell in places near you and leave in the ships to be sent to London a sufficient number to work them; and give special charge to the vice-admiral and captains remaining on the Narrow Seas to see to the sure wafting of victuals to Bulloyn. Westm., 13 Nov.
P.S.—After the writing of this, the King resolved that the Mary Fortune, Mary Marten, George Bonaventure and Anne Lisle, four of the ships appointed to be dismissed and sent home, shall, instead, be sent to waft victuals from Norfolk and Suffolk towards Bullen.
Draft, pp. 2. Endd.. M. to Sir Thomas Seymour, xiijo Novembris 1544.
R.O.2. Names of ships (as in No. 502(4), except the Great Christopher of Breme and Cowe of Hanborough), with the numbers of their crews and names of their captains, arranged in three lists, viz.:—
i. "Ships appointed to go with Mr. Seymour."
The Peter, Spruse of Dansyke, Pauncye, Mary of Hanborough, Lesse Gallyas, Mynion, Salamaunder, Prymrose, Fawcon, Typkyn, Genet, Dragon, and Mary Hanfford.
ii. "Ships to keep the Narrow Seas and to trouble French fishing."
The Gallyon of Hanborough, Swypestake, Swallow, New Barke, Lyon, Great Pynnas, Greate Shallop, Lesse Pynnas, Mydle Shallop, Shallop with two mysens, Lesse Shallop, Artigo.
iii. "Ships to be dismissed and sent home" (captains not named).
The Great Gallyon (crew of 400), Lyon of Hanborough, Jhesus of Lubeck, Hone of Hanborough, Trinity Herry, Anne Lisle, George Bonaventure, Clayse a boyer, New Boyer, Mary James, Lesser Gallyon of Hanborough, Anne of Hanborough, Mary Marten, Mary Fortune, Barke of Dover.
Pp. 2. In the same hand as No. 502(4). Endd.
13 Nov.601. Sir Thomas Seymour and Others to the Council.
R.O.
St. P., i. 778.
Perceives by their letters of the 10th inst. that he is thought negligent of the King's pleasure. If so, is worthy of punishment; and having done his best he is to be excused. As to the first point, the wafting of the victuallers:—Lay in Orwell Wanes, aboard the Peter, 6 days, "and never came a-land." On the 6th day made sail and came, on the 7th, at night, to Dover, where he asked lord Sent Jonne if the victuallers were ready to go to Bolen; who answered that he had sent a great deal, "so that they were already victualled for iij months." Having no commission to call for wheat out of Norfolk or malt out of Suffolk, but to convey such as should be ready, prayed St. John to send with him such victuals as [remained], for the wind would not suffer him to tarry longer,—or else it might be sent as long as he was on the Narrow Seas, which should be as long as weather and victuals would serve; "who [told] me that some remained in the pier which should not be long after me. And [so I departed from] Dover road whether I would or not, because the wind was easterly [and] the ebb at hand; and so made over to Bolen rode, but the wind and the tide cast us so far to the west that night that it was, the next day, ij of the clock at afternoon ere we could get Bolen road." There I called all the captains and masters together and declared the Council's instructions. All agreed that victuals might be brought freely as long as they were on the seas, but none would consent to the enterprise of Estaples because the ships should lie at least 6 miles from shore and, "at the neptydes whyche was then, thar was nott iiij fotte water at a ffolsee to convey our bottes to the towne, whyche was of latte bernt, and that we ware advertesed be my lorde Admyrall a letell beforre that ix saylle was depertede thenc." It was considered best, as none of the ships had past three days' victuals, save 10 that came from Harwyche, to scour the French coast along to Senne Hede, and there Mr. Carre with those appointed to keep the Narrow Seas "should cross over to the Camber, if he might not recover Dover or Bolen road." That night the wind veered to N.E. so extreme that we were fain to forsake Bolen road and go westward under sail, until half-an-hour before day, when the wind rose so high that such as were "not fast aboard the shore was fain to go run, of the which I was one, the Menon, the Salmander with 5 other sail. And it was as much as we could do for our lives to get sight of the Eylle of Wyght before night, and it was an hour within night or I could get in. Three hulks that came after me could not get sight thereof till they were in a bay on the East side of the Isle, of the which Mr. Strowd, Bramston and Battersebe of the Guard (God rest their souls) was in one (fn. 8) of them, which hulk brake all her anchors and cables and she brake all to pieces on the shore, and but 41 of 300 saved alive. The other two rode out the storm, which lasted all that night and the next day. My brother and John Roberdes of the Guard tried the seas all the first night, and the next day came in to Dartemowth haven; where my brother's hulk (fn. 9) strake on a rock and 'brest' all to pieces, but, God be praised, all the men were saved saving three. And another new hulk that tried the seas that night brake three of her beams and with much ado came into the Wyght. Sir Ryse Manseuell, Mr. Carow, Mr. Wendam, and divers other was driven to go within three fathom along by the French shore for their surety; who saw ij men-of-war that wafted the herring men, who made tokens to the fishermen; which fishermen, for haste, being to the number of 200, let slip their nets, for haste, of the which there was two sunk and the men of the one gat hold of the Premrose and saved themselves, and another was taken by Tepke [n]. As yet I hear no word what is become of the Grete Shalop, the Fawcon and a crayer of 50 ton of mine. The King's Highness nor few other that had any ship in this fleet but the ordnance flew about and shook the ships, by reason of the 'holoues ' of the seas, that they were strained [contin]ually to pump, and specially the Suallo, the New Barke, the Trenyte Harry and Suepstahe."
Thus it appears what the weather was, and he refers to all the captains and masters to say whether they might have lain longer in Dover road, the Downs, or Bollen road. Desires them to blame the weather and excuse him and his company.
The 1,500 qr. of wheat and meal to be conveyed hence will be ready in two days. Of the 14 sail appointed to keep the Narrow Seas, there are at Dover, left there because not ready, the Grett Galyon of Handborowe, the Mary James, the bark with two mizens (if she be not with the prize she took at Donkerke), the Grett Penes, the Lesse Shalope and the Grett Galle. The Fawcon, the Grett Boyer, and the Grett Shallope I know not where they be. The rest I shall send, as soon as I can get victuals for them, "without boats, for here is not 6 boats in all the fleet." The victuals prepared at Hampton will not be ready these five days. We lack cask; for most of us were victualled but for 14 days, and now we shall receive for a month. We lack money to pay the soldiers and mariners shipped at Harwiche, for I know of none received there save that Sir Wm. Wodhowse received for three weeks' wages. I desire to know whether to take with me into Bretayne such as I think meetest, and where to leave the rest, for the Peter is too long a ship for that journey; and that money may be sent if any shall be discharged here, for the 400l. which Mr. Winter has "wyll not skassly pay the bordwages in the Wyght and elcewhar." To give this more credit, has desired the gentlemen to sign it. Portesemowth, 13 Nov.
"I fear our victuals will not be ready this iiij. days, and Mr. Care not meet to go to the sea." Signed: T. Seymour: R. Manxell: Wyll'm Woodhows: Jhon Carry: John Wynter: Edwarde Watur.
In Seymour's hand, pp. 7. Add. Endd. 1544.
13 Nov.602. Mayor and Aldermen of York to Shrewsbury.
Add. MS.
32,656, f. 37.
B.M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii., No. 361(2).
Perceive by his letters dated Darneton, 11 Nov., the King's pleasure and his to know what ships they can set forth to the seas. Have no ships nor mariners, but only "lightners" that carry merchandise betwixt Hull and York (to adventure beyond sea they freight some ship of Hull, Newcastle or elsewhere) or they would right gladly accomplish the King's pleasure, as Mr. Robert Paycoke, one of their aldermen, can more plainly inform him, for whom they beg credence. Beg him to help that the mint at York for coining may go forward for the relief of the country thereabouts, now in necessity of money. York, 13 Nov. Signed: Petter Robynson, mare of Yorke, and hys bredir of the awdarmen of the same.
P. 1. Add. Endd.: 1544.
[13 Nov.]603. James Colquhoun to Lennox.
Add. MS.
32,656, f. 35.
B.M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii., No. 361(1).
Came to Darrintone this Thursday where the lord Lieutenant took his letters from him and sent them by post. Will declare his credence when he comes. There is a bill from my lord of Angwis to your wife, another from the captain of Dunbartan, and another from the laird of Hwntele.
Hol., p. 1.
13 Nov.604. Suffolk and Paget to Petre.
R.O.We have just seen your letter of the 11th inst. to "me, the Secretary," and will devise some way to advertise Doctor Mownt of the King's pleasure. As to examining the Frenchman (fn. 10) of his escape, we have viewed the place where he brake out (with the aid of the sheets of his bed, and he departed at the opening of the gates among the throng of carters and others). Apparently there was no fraud in his keeper who, two days afterwards, "died for thought." As touching the Frenchman we (altered from "my lord of Suff. and I") were somewhat moved with pity, because he is notably learned, and for that we thought only his fault to be for that he brake out of prison; for of [any] (fn. 11) murder [he hath done] (fn. 11) we know nothing." The Englishman that took him says, indeed, that he assailed first; but the Frenchman says he only asked "the way to come to the King's Majesty's speech," and the Englishman, hearing him speak French, strake at him and he fled [, having nothing but a walking staff] (fn. 11) . He says his coming into England "was, from him who sent him, by him his Majesty's appointment; and yet knowing some fraud in him that sent him (altered from "in Lavigne") he saith he opened it and also told that which the Cardinal Bellay said to him. So as he saith he had wrong at the beginning to be put in prison when he did nothing but serve the King's Majesty truly; and was taken in Artoys and sent back again to Calais by th'Emperor's subjects for that they suspected him to be a doer of something between the King's Majesty and the French king." He said that if he offended it was only in breaking prison, and he desired to be rid of this misery either by death or liberty. Considering that, with his learning and wit, he might do good service, asked him if he "could find in his heart to become English." He replied that, if he might follow his book and be honestly entertained, he could; and reckoned up his entertainment from Madame de Navarre for reading the Greek lecture in Burges in Bury since the death of Mons. de Langey, and how Cardinal Bellay had desired him of the said Queen; saying that he desired rather to die than thus to lose his time in prison.
We marvel that your letters make no mention of the receipt of ours of the 6th and 9th inst., and would gladly know whether those of the 6th were taken as we meant. This morning also we sent you other letters from my lords with the Emperor. Since we can here do so little service, it may please the King to revoke us. We hear that there is 150 tuns of wine taken about Bristow. If the Council have any part amongst them, we pray that we be not forgotten though absent.
Draft in Paget's hand, pp. 2.
R.O.2. Letter of which the above is the draft. Dated Calais, 13 Nov. Signed by Suffolk and Paget.
Pp. 3. Add. Sealed. Endd.: 1544.
13 Nov.605. Hertford, Gardiner and Wotton to Henry VIII.
R.O.
St. P., x. 192.
Wrote, on Sunday (fn. 12) last, of their conference with Grandvela, Prat and Arraz upon the Saturday evening; after which Gardiner, with the privity of Hertford and Wotton, wrote a letter to Arraz which was delivered on Monday morning (copy herewith). Arraz told the bearer that he would answer it, but has not yet done so, except, by mouth, to say he would show himself an honest man. Sent on Monday to know when they might speak with the Emperor, who returned on Sunday night. Received an answer that he had hurt his knee in hunting and kept his chamber with a little fever and fear of gout. On Tuesday Mons. de Courriers visited them and talked very gently of Henry's speech to him at leaving Boleyn, saying that he had on Monday declared it to the Emperor, who answered that he would keep his leagues. Told him that the Emperor gave them like words, but the Councillors handled the matter otherwise, and all men spoke of the matter and the triumphs here to set it forth. He replied that "he would he were hanged that was the cause of the Queen's coming hither," and, as for speech, he heard in this country over much of it. The Frenchmen, he said, tried to bring Henry in hatred with the Low Countries, but he trusted they would fail. Supposing that he was sent to feel how things were taken, the writers told him plainly what dishonor might grow to the Emperor by this matter. On the Tuesday afternoon the Emperor had a long consultation with his Council, Mons. de Corners being within but not the Viceroy, who has not since the writer's coming been to any Council.
On Wednesday (fn. 13) at 9 o'clock came to our lodging, suddenly, Mons. de Prat, Grandvela, the bp. of Arraz, the president Score and secretary Joyse. Grandvela said that they had reported our discontent at last conference, with the points we persisted in touching the conditions of your consent declared to Mons. Darraz and the invasion of the Frenchmen, and the Emperor had required that the treaties should be "visited," which they brought with them for that purpose. Score then brought out a copy of the treaty, and, when we would have pointed out the principal articles, Grandvela desired that all might be read; so Joyse read the whole treaty. Score then read the treaty with the Viceroy, and Joyse the resolution sent by Mr. Paget. Grandvela then asked us to "propose what we would. We said we had two things to speak of. Grandvela desired we might speak of one first and then another." We showed that, by the 19th article of the league, your consent is not sufficient unless you are also satisfied; and, even if it had only required consent, yet, when you qualified your consent with two conditions, viz. (1) certain demands and (2) reservation of the league, that consent could not be alleged if the conditions were not fulfilled. Here they made courtesy who should answer and, as Prat and Arraz never spoke and Score was not ready, Grandvela told us a story of the Emperor's journey down to the sending of Arraz and his report, which was confirmed by the Emperor's ambassadors. Then Score pointed out that although the treaty in one place required both consent and satisfaction it spoke only of consent in another. We told him that as a lawyer he might not judge of a piece of the law but of the whole, and that the place where only consent is spoken of is that the conditions "shall be by consent moderate"; and then to Grandvela we said that, besides that you "denied this relation to be true," it was against reason that the Emperor's ambassadors to the Emperor's profit should by their testimony avoid a treaty so solemnly made, the thing itself being so unlikely and the covenant they made with the French king showing that they took it that you must not only be content but satisfied (and we would have rehearsed the sense of that article but Grandvela made Joyce read the whole). Grandvela then said that if we alleged that article he was glad that it contained what we wished. We said it was so far well, and if you were indeed satisfied we would find no fault; but we spoke of it only because it confirmed the likelihood that, with the declaration of your consent, you required a satisfaction. And we told him of that you told us of your Council incontinently after, of that you wrote to me your ambassador, of the saying of Chapuis to me, Winchester, in your tent immediately after your declaration to Arras (viz., that you should now have Bullen, Motrel and Arde), and of other words spoken by you to Arraz, which he had rehearsed the last night. To these likelihoods Score took occasion to say that he thought it unlikely that you should speak to Arraz of satisfaction; and he noted the points of the treaty with the Viceroy, and how, your army not going inward into France while the Emperor, marching towards Paris according to that treaty, sent to require you to send your army to him or else be content that he made peace. Seeing you refused to send the men, how could you require conditions? Of this he made a very long tale, to which we answered that if he might fashion the case at his pleasure he could doubtless make some appearance; but you did not refuse to send your army, but only declared that it could not so suddenly move as to divert the force of France from the Emperor, and offered to march to that part of the Emperor's frontier whereunto he would retire; and, as for the treaty with the Viceroy, it was satisfied,— the Emperor laid siege to divers places and so did you selon la raison de la guerre. Granvelle said it was that from the river of Somme your army should march selon la raison de la guerre et moyenant victualles. We desired him to "read the first with last with one breath, and then selon" etc., else he would have you "go to the river without reason and without victuals, which were a marvellous bargain for a prince to make"; and in the covenant with the Viceroy the lady Regent was bound to furnish victuals and carriages, but there was such default in both as detained your army a whole month in the way from Calays to Montrel, and the wine and flour provided for the army beyond the Summe had to be left at St. Omer for lack of carriages; although carriages were to be had in Flanders, for you afterwards got 1,300; and the lady Regent's failure to furnish carriages cost you 20,000l., and yet your army did not lay siege till after news came that the Emperor did the like, and it was to be marvelled that the Emperor, knowing your army to stay at Montrel, did not in time offer to leave Saincte Desire and go forward, and require you to do the like. To that Grandvela said that as to the furniture of carriages and victuals it was President Score's charge, not his; so Score made a long matter of it and said the fault was ours, for we sent but one commissary for 1,000 carts (to which we said he spoke as if the commissary should have overseen the carts himself, whereas you allowed an overseer's wages for every 20 carts, to which Mons. de Prate agreed) and wrote for carts to be at Calais within six days, which was impossible (to which we answered that that was not our first writing, we grounded the fault not upon the last letters of your Council but upon the first, second and third, at the going of Norfolk and the Privy Seal). After this speech Score never spoke. Granvela then said that, as we maintained so precisely that you had done as the Emperor did, he would say that Motrel was not in the way towards the Summe; and De Praet said we had at two other times taken the other way. We said that "and we had erred twice it was reason we learnt the best way at the last." Granvela said you intended to make your profit of Bolen and Montrel; and we asked if they expected to bring you to war only for their profit.
It being now 1 o'clock Granvela asked us to propone our second matter. Did so, thus, By the league, in case of invasion of your realm or Guysnes, the invader is common enemy both to you and the Emperor; and the Frenchmen have invaded both your realm and Guysnes. This, said Granvela, is matter for another time; and so departed without appointing next meeting.
At 4 p.m. the same personages sent for us to Granvela's lodging and began with the second matter. Granvela, who alone spoke, said that the Frenchmen's invasion "was but an accessory matter for Bolen," and they tarried not but were gone again. Replied that the treaty required only the fact, not the occasion; and, by thus their alleging the occasion, it was to be understood that if we keep Boleyn they will let the Frenchmen and us alone. This they denied; and we required them to say directly what they would do. After consultation, they answered that they thought it not requisite that the Emperor should declare himself. We said we thought yes, and that when they took peace with France they alleged necessity, and now that the necessity was past they used other devices, so that the league would never serve. Desired to speak with the Emperor, and they promised that we should.
We then said that, as we must write to your Highness, we took it that, in their judgment, the Emperor is not bound to declare himself. Granvela answered Nay, they did not answer so precisely, and we pressed them too sore; for, at this time of winter, you were as strong as if the Emperor had declared himself; and, since you could not demand men, the declaration would save you no piece of your charges, whereas, being at peace, the Emperor was in a better position to obtain peace for you; and Grandvela "put his nail to his tooth a l' Italian" and sware that the Frenchman had no comfort of them. "And herewith said he trusted to conduce a peace shortly, and are appointed upon an ambassador to go to the French king for that purpose"; and Grandvela instanced how you made like answer when pressed by the Emperor to declare against the king of Denmark and the duke of Gelders, and said that such extreme requests might do hurt. We answered that our commission was to ask that is right, and to confess it frankly was a nearer way to work with your Majesty; for meanwhile you spent only your treasure, whereas the Emperor spent honor and credit; and we asked how we might defend the Emperor's honor in this. Grandvela told us we might say that the Emperor had comprised us in his league; but we answered that all men might see that it was not so, or else the French king had broken it. We then parted, with an appointment to speak with the Emperor as soon as he is recovered.
Today the captain of Gravelyn, dining with us, said openly that the Frenchmen reported that their peace was to dissever your Majesty and the Emperor. An Italian of credit learns that this peace is not likely to continue, and already the Emperor has complained to the French ambassador that the French king has not restored certain places in Piedmont. The Ambassador of Ferrara has delivered letters from his master, of old date, as he expected your Majesty and the Emperor to meet in France. He says his master professes affection to your Majesty. He himself was once in England as his master's resident ambassador. He says that the Nuncio departs without any coming in his place, and that the Emperor has no ambassador resident at Rome, but only a secretary. The Cardinal of Loreyn has the Emperor's licence to go to France tomorrow, and yet the Duke of Guise is not returned. His departure is much noted. Brucelles, 13 Nov. Signed.
In Gardiner's hand, pp. 17. Add. Endd.: 1544.
13 Nov.606. Hertford, Gardiner and Wotton to Suffolk and the Privy Council at Calais.
R.O.Enclose letters to the King, "of many words and small purpose, saving that we see somewhat further in them. Undoubtedly they be greatly troubled with our matter, and by all likelihood would be cleanly rid of it." We will write as we have matter, if only to declare our diligence. Brucelles, 13 Nov.
P.S.—The Governor (fn. 14) of the Merchants, who should repair thither to make his account for Lytemaker, is so useful in getting intelligence that we detain him here till our return. Signed.
In Gardiner's hand, p. 1. Add. Endd.: 1544.
13 Nov.607. Chamberlain to Paget.
R.O.Having here concluded with Mons. de Bueren, for whose cause I was sent from Callais to Andwarpe, my lords of Hertford and Winchester have required me to tarry their despatch from hence. As there is no man there privy to Lightmaker's reckoning, pray cause him to have 100l. in prest for this month's wages, ended the 10th inst., till I may reckon with him for the whole. Bruxelles, 13 Nov. 1544.
Hol. p. 1. Add. Endd.
13 Nov.608. The Doge and Senate of Venice to their Ambassador in France.
Venetian
Calendar
(Brown),
v., No. 323.
To obtain release for two Venetian ships, the Contarina and Regazzona and the Foscarina, captured by the French when in voyage between Hampton and Margate in England.
*** A shorter letter from the Doge to Francis I. on the same subject, decreed on 12th Nov., is also given in the Venetian Calendar.
14 Nov.609. Henry VIII. to Charles V.
R.O.
St. P., x. 189.
Having learnt from his Ambassadors now [resident] (fn. 15) there that some of the Emperor's councillors have difficulty in believing that the French, since their peace with the Emperor, have invaded Henry's territories, he thinks it well to write that the French, having first enterprised the taking of Basse Boulloyn, afterwards overthrew (rués jus) certain churches and strong places in the marches of Guisnes and attempted to surprise the castle of Hampnes and town of Guisnes; and also by sea [with ——— (blank) sails] (fn. 16) they have taken some poor soldiers who were being sent home from Calais sick, and have landed on the coast near Dover and remained thereabouts until the navy which Henry was constrained to equip forced them to retire. The ambassadors will declare particulars; to whom he begs the Emperor to give credence and also a good and brief answer such as the treaties and the long amity between them require. Westm., 14 Nov. 1544.
French. Draft in Mason's hand, pp. 2. Endd.: M. to th'Emperour, xiiijo. Novembris 1544.
R.O.2. Earlier draft of the preceding, also in Mason's hand.
French, pp. 2.
R.O.3. Fair copy of § 1. without the date.
French, p. 1. Endd.: The copie of the Kinges Mate's l're to th' Emperour, xiiij Novembris 1544.
R.O.
[Spanish
Calendar,
vii. 248.]
4. Modern transcript of the original letter at Vienna, dated Westm., 14 Nov. 1544.
French, pp.2.
14 Nov.610. The Privy Council to Hertford, Gardiner and Wotton.
R.O.
St. P., x. 190.
The King, understanding by their letters (fn. 17) the cause of their long abode there without doing anything and the cold answers of Grandvilla at their last conferences, desires them to use diligence to attain their final despatch; and has, by his letters to the Emperor, herewith, signified authentically the French invasions since the peace, according to their advice. The King also desires to know what has been done touching their instruction to remind the Emperor for the commandry for the duke of Alberquerque's son.
[P.S.]—As Mons. de Prat seems "more conformable to indifferency and reason" than Grandvilla, they are to practise with him to promote the continuance of the long amity with the Emperor. On obtaining final answer they shall put themselves in order to return to the King with diligence.
Draft in Petre's hand, pp. 3. Endd.: M. to my 1. of Hertf. and Winch., xiiijo Novembris 1544.
R.O.2. Fair copy of the above without date and with the postscript (which in § 1 is on a separate leaf) marked as "post script."
Pp. 2. Endd.: Copie of the Counsell's l're to th'erle of Hertf., bisshop Winchestr. and Mr. Wootton, xiiijo Novembr. 1544.
611. The Privy Council to Hertford, Gardiner and Wotton. (fn. 18)
R.O."And if at your being with th'Emperor you have not a more full and frank answer than you hitherto had in your conferences with his Councillors you shall tell him that, as Councillors are often too much troubled with affairs to weigh things thoroughly, you wish that he would himself hear the matter debated between you and his Councillors, and then, like an indifferent judge, make his answer. If the Emperor either refuse to hear or hear only for their satisfaction, without regard to his treaty, they shall press him to consider the case and what charges Henry has been at, reminding him that Henry entered the war not altogether for his own quarrels, and likewise for the Emperor's relief condescended that he should take peace, the league preserved and the demands declared by Mr. Wotton obtained; trusting that he will either declare himself enemy according to the treaty or else induce the French king to yield to reason.
They shall then, in good fashion, take leave; and if the Emperor require them to tarry till he has answer out of France they shall excuse themselves that they are not furnished to follow the Court (having come in post only to know his final answer, which they shall desire him to signify to Henry in writing) but Mr. Wotton, the ambassador resident, will always attend to advise in the proceedings, and, if the Emperor take such order with the French king as Henry can follow, he will, the rather at the Emperor's desire, give ear to an honourable peace. (fn. 19)
Draft in Petre's hand, much corrected by Wriothesley, pp. 4.
[14] (fn. 20) Nov.612. The Privy Council to the Privy Council at Calais.
R.O.Your lordships shall receive herewith a packet of letters to be sent to my lords at the Emperor's Court. As things seem to proceed but coldly, unless by next letters from my lords with the Emperor you understand that "ambassadors are appointed or like very shortly to come for a further treaty," you shall put yourselves in order to repair to the King with diligence, leaving order for the victualling and surety of Guysnes, Hammes and other places there. The King's boats which were left beside Newenham Bridge are to be put in some house to be kept dry until brought away.
Draft in Petre's hand, p. 1. Endd.: M. to the Counsell at Callys, —— (blank) Novemb. 1544.
14 Nov.613. Queen Katharine to Dr. Parker, Dean of Stoke College.
Corp.Ch.Coll.
MS., 114, p. 7.
Cambridge.
Recommends Randall Radclyff, the bearer, for the bayliwick of Stoke College, now void. He has already the goodwill of three of those concerned in the granting of it. Westminster, 14 Nov. 36 Hen. VIII. Signed in the margin: Kateryn the Quene K.P.
14 Nov.614. Wriothesley and Petre to Paget.
R.O.
St. P., x. 188.
After the full despatch of these other letters the King sent for us and willed us to write to you to send hither, with all diligence, a copy of the writings which Blue Mantell brought from the King of Denmark. The cause is that his Highness thinks to meet the practices of the world in time, and to send a special man to the King of Denmark, and Watson and Dymock to Breme, Hanburgh and Lubeck; and to make Dr. Mownt his agent with the duke of Saxonne and the Lantesgrave van Hesse, with a convenient entertainment, if he perceive them meet for the King to enter further with. You are to advertise Monte of this determination and communicate the effect of these letters to my lord of Suffolk. And where, since your going over, you have sent letters from Dymock mentioning that certain men of Breme or Hanburgh had offered to serve the King with certain ships, have you heard any more of that matter? The King is advertised that a man arrived lately at Bulleyn or Callays with letters to his Highness from certain princes of Germany, offering to serve him. The King has heard nothing of the letters or of the messenger until this time, and requires you to ask my lord of Suffolk what he knows of that matter; and to report "as well the effect of the said letters, the credit of the messenger if he had any, as th'order of his despatch and by whom the same was advised and made according[ly]."
Draft in Petre's hand, corrected by Wriothesley, pp. 2. Endd: M. to Mr. Paget from my lord Chancellor and Mr. Secretary Mr. Petre, xiiij° Novembr. 1544.
14 Nov.615. Vaughan to Paget.
R.O.Of Francis, the King's post, I received your other letter to Chr. Mownt; and by him I returned your first letter, together with a letter of John Dymockes to my lord Chancellor, and another of Dymockes which just then came to my hands from Andwerp, showing Jasper Dowche's answer to the matter for which I am now sent. I hope to bring the King's desire to pass if you look to the satisfaction of Jasper Dowche for his herrings. If you write into England pray write that I was at Newport this night, or my lord Chancellor will think I make small haste. My host here says that the Queen of Hungary is sore sick and like to die. Dunkyrke, this Friday evening "brought thether with feoble jadys."
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.: xiiij Novembr. 1544.
Added below the address: "I forgot to deliver you a letter of Mr. Mason's which I send you herewith."
15 Nov.616. Sale of Grain.
Harl. MS.
442, f. 211.
B.M.
Proclamation (under the Act of 31 Henry VIII.), made 15 Nov. 36 Henry VIII., that persons holding more grain than they require for use shall bring the same into open market to be sold; to last till All Saints' next; and to be enforced by the justices of peace who, however, shall not have authority to compel sale of such grain as has been provided for victualling London. [Westm. 15 Nov. 36 Hen. VIII.] (fn. 21)
Modern copy, pp. 4.
Soc. Ant.
Procl., ii. 144.
2. Another modern copy.
Pp. 2.
15 Nov.617. Sir T. Seymour to the Council.
R.O.Has received their letters of the 13th present. Where he is to set order in his ships according to the schedule enclosed therein: since writing last he has taken the reports of all the masters in the navy, and, according to the number of men appointed in the schedule, has made a bill, enclosed, of those he thinks meetest to serve. The ships requiring amendment can find timber sufficient at Portsmouth, and so save the charges of returning home and be readier for the sea.
If the King would "allow every ship a serten for their return home, and discharge them here out of wages, I think the Jesus of Lubeck, which is of 700 ton and a good new hulk, would be shortly the King's." Her owner was drowned in the Christopher of Breme; and, Seymour thinks, his brother in Lubeck would sell her for 400l. rather than rig her after she has been here two months.
What order is to be taken for money to despatch the soldiers and mariners that shall depart?
His service [in this] journey must be in keeping the seas, for amongst them they have not 6 boats to land withal, "which will not carry 200 men besides they that must keep the boats." Trusts, after their setting forth, their "victuals shall be drawn of such length as we will bring home, either wine, salt or stripes; or else some shall come home a hungered." What are they to do with 24 French varlets taken in fishing boats? And at their return home, where shall they leave the King's ships? It will be Monday ere he departs; and he leaves Mr. Watteres, two or three days after him, to set things in order and then return to the Council. Porsmow, 15 November.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. Endd.: 1544.
R.O.2. A list of ships, with the number of men in each, arranged as follows:—
i. "Ships to go with Mr. Seymour," viz., the Pauncey 240 men, Lesse Galee 240 m., Mynyon 200, Primerose 160, Genet 120, Struse of Dansick 160, Mary of 'Hamburgh 240, Mary Hanford 100, Lesse Galee of Hamburgh 80, Mary Marten 80, Mary Fortune 80, Marten Bulle 80, Newe Boyer 80. Total men 1,980 (sic).
ii. "Ships to serve in the Narroe Sees," viz., the Great Galyon of Hamburgh 240, Sallamander 180, Newe Barke 120, Artigo 100, Lyon 80, Jesus of Lubec 260, King's Mary James (in margin "nott gon") 80, Barke of Dover 40, Greate Shalopp 80, Myddle Shalop 50, Mary James of Calays with ij mysons 60, Lesse Shalop 30. Total men 1,400 (sic).
iii. "Shippes to wafte victuals out of Norff. and Suff.," viz., the Tipkyn 130, Faucon 150, Greate Pinas 70, Greate Mary Katherin 40, Anne of Hamburgh 100. Total men 490.
iv. "Ships to be discharged and some amended," viz., the Peter (her mast sprung) 400; Greate Galee 400; Swepslake 180, Trinitie Henry 160, Swallowe 140, Anne Lisle 130 (note to each of these four "a leeke"); Dragon ("her masts almost asunder") 80, Cok of Hamburgh ("slowe") 160, Lyon of Hamburgh (at Dartmouth) 300, Christopher of Breme ("lost in Wight") 300, George Bonadrenture ("a leeke") 120. Total men 2,370.
Pp. 3. Endd.: "Th'appointment of the shippes, xv° Novembris a° 1544."
15 Nov.618. Shrewsbury and Others to the Council.
Add. MS.
32,656, f. 34.
B.M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii.. No. 361.
Enclose letters from the Wardens of the East and Middle Marches. Upon the Council's letters of the 6th inst. Shewsbury wrote to Newcastle and other ports within his commission for the setting forth of ships. Enclose the answers now received from Newcastle and York. James Colqwhouan, a Scottishman who pretends to be Lenoux's servant and for his sake banished out of Scotland, is arrived with letters from Angus to Lady Margaret, and others to Lenoux from the laird of Hundele and the captain of Dunbrytayne. As the laird of Tuyllibarne, being present at his arrival, seemed to suspect him to be towards the Cardinal and perhaps suborned to be a spy about Lenoux, we send his letters herewith and permit him to follow, who departed yesterday and will be with Lenoux within these 6 or 7 days. Darneton, 15 Nov. 1544. Signed by Shrewsbury, Tunstall and Sadler.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
15 Nov.619. Cardinal Farnese to the Bishop of Tropea.
R.O.*** Among the other news in your aforesaid letters, His Holiness was much pleased with what you write of England and your hope that the Emperor may turn openly to the reduction and chastisement of such a rebel; which his Holiness never distrusted that the Emperor would do, and now trusts therein the more as the necessity for the league with him has ceased. The war which England has with the King of France and the disposition of his Holiness to concur with all his forces in such an enterprise give the Emperor a great opportunity, at one time, to satisfy his duty to God and to his own honor. You shall effectually renew the offices formerly committed to you in this, and exhort his Majesty to show thereby that necessity and not his own will, was the cause of his confederacy with England.
Italian. Modern extract from a Vatican MS., pp. 2. Headed: Card. Farnese al vesc. di Tropea (Poggio), nuntio appresso la Mta Cesa, Roma, 15 Nov. 1544. Estratto.

Footnotes

1 See No. 536.
2 Nov. 10.
3 Secretary Joyse, whose "standing while others sat" is mentioned in No. 583
4 Nov. 7th.
5 See No. 608.
6 Leo Strozzi, prior of Capua.
7 Nov. 8th.
8 The Christopher of Bremen.
9 According to No. 02(4) his brother Henry was in the Lion of Hamburg.
10 Jean Alberge.
11 Inserted in Paget's hand in § 2.
12 Nov. 9. See No. 583.
13 Nov. 12.
14 Chamberlain.
15 Not in § 2.
16 Cancelled.
17 A cancelled draft of the beginning of this despatch at the head of the MS. mentions "your two several letters."
18 This is printed in St. P., x. 191, as a part of the text of the preceding letter, but it seems to be a detached paper.
19 This conclusion has been altered. It originally stood "shall always attend t'advertise the same, upon knowledge whereof either that way, or by th'Emperor's own ambassador when he shall come," his Majesty will give ear, etc.
20 See No. 623.
21 Crossed out.