Henry VIII
November 1545, 16-20

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'Henry VIII: November 1545, 16-20', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 20 Part 2: August-December 1545 (1907), pp. 385-402. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80431 Date accessed: 22 August 2014.


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November 1545, 16-20

16 Nov.800. The Privy Council.
Dasent's
A P C., 270.
Meeting at Otlande, 16 Nov. Present: Canterbury, Chancellor, Hertford, Essex, Cheyney, Browne, Wingfield, Paget, Petre, Riche, Baker. Business:—Letters addressed to Lord Wharton, with copy of a writing to be signed by Robert and John, sons of Lord Maxwell, that Lord Maxwell might be moved to command them to sign it, being a bond for performance of their father's promise; and in case Lord Maxwell stay to write to them, Wharton shall forbid his entry into Scotland. Letters addressed to Lord Maxwell "for the effect of signifying his pleasure to his sons." Wharton had letters to Michael Davy for 24l. disbursed in bringing up Maxwell, and 10l. for charges in returning with him. Letters addressed to Mr. Grimston, acting captain at Portsmouth in the sickness of Mr. Vaughan, to keep 300 of the best of the garrison and cass the remaining 200, and to arrange that 100 of the workmen in the works there may serve in war if necessary. The Commissioners of the musters written to to charge Riffenberg, at his coming to the Emperor's court, "for the unreasonable sums of money which they were enforced to grant him," using advice of the King's ambassadors.
16 Nov.801. The Privy Council to Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne.
R. O.
St. P., x. 683.
The King has received their sundry letters, both to himself and Paget, about proceedings with the French Commissioners touching the treaty for peace, and marvels that (the other part of their charge, viz., renovation of the treaty with the Emperor, being the line whereby to work affairs with France, and so much desired by the Emperor, Regent, Praet, Ascot, Rieux, Scory, Skipper and all the world there, and being, indeed, the motive for his consenting to treat the peace there) they have not pressed the treating of matters with the Emperor more earnestly, both before the Admiral's coming and since; and likewise that, when, to the Frenchmen, before the Emperor's Council, they proved the untruth and wilfulness of the French, they did not then convert their speech to the Emperor's Commissioners (and also, apart, to the Queen, Grandvele and Scory) setting forth the King's inclination to peace in respect of Christendom, and the wilfulness of his enemies, who for what they value at no more than 100,000 cr., are bent to the contrarv unless they may have Bollen, which they may be sure never to have. To redubb this, the King requires them to press the Emperor, Regent and Grandvele to determine the matters between him and them; but, if their answer is not to the King's expectation, rather to note their unkindness and the danger of crediting French practises than show that the King is displeased. To the Regent, Scory and, especially, Skipper, they shall show how Grandvele, for his own purposes, practises with France and defaces their credit, as appears now when he has found means to revoke the commission given to Skipper in his absence, and dash the whole treaty, to the danger of the Low Countries: for, whatsoever bargain the French make, is it likely that they would give up Mylan "(for nothing as we hear)," for which they have spent so much, if they meant good faith, and not rather, by alleging (as they say the Emperor did lately in the treaty of the marriage) this or that, to take their time to execute their desires? Their keeping of Savoy is evidently to make an entry into Milan hereafter, as the Daulphin, whose right it is, will not fail to do. Skipper is to be reminded of his discourse with the King as to the danger of the Low Countries if the Emperor depart without "reabillement" of matters between him and the King, and of his assurance that the Regent, Ascot, Rieux, Prat and Scory would travail to that effect; and he is to be required to consider how without dissimulation the King has always dealt with them, telling the Emperor frankly when he misliked his doings, and in all conferences with France (as his commissions, &c, show), both now and always, having due respect to the Emperor's amity;—indeed, the Frenchmen themselves make no other charge against him for breach of the treaty than that he would not aid them against the Emperor, and "they were satisfied at that time without touch of the King's amity to the Emperor." Now that the Frenchmen upon courage of the Emperor's amity would, to get Bolloyn, refuse conditions of peace which they (the Emperor's people) have proponed, they should tell them roundly that, the King being conformable to reasonable conditions and they wedded to their own will, the Emperor and all the world cannot but lay the fault to them and lean to the King's part. Thus (the Emperor's people may be told) they may bring things to more surety for themselves than by accepting offers which the French never mean to keep, of which they have had experience by the breach of the truce of Niece and at other times. By these and other reasons, they are to be persuaded to perfect their treaty with the King, and shown how his adversaries insist on having what they ought not to have, both because .it is his by a just war, and because both it and all the rest which he now demands is but a piece of what he might justly claim if he had more regard to his private benefit than the weal of Christendom.
Touching the truce to which, Grand veil says, the French will agree for six months, the King will have it for ten months at least; and if the French show themselves as sturdy in that point as in the matter of Bolloyn, you shall cease treaty in that behalf, unless they will have the truce begin on 1 April.
Before leaving, you, my lord of Wynchester, shall procure a letter from the Emperor to the King declaring that, in this matter of peace, you and your colleagues did your endeavour, and what hindered good success to the quiet of Christendom was the wilfulness of our adversary. The French may report that they look to have Bulloyn by the Protestants' means, but you know that the Protestants never gave them any such hope, having been told precisely that neither the King, nor the Council, nor the realm, would consent thereto.
Draft corrected by Paget, pp. 5. Endd.: M. to my lordes of "Winchester and Westm., etc., xvjo Novembris 1545.
16 Nov.802. Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., x. 679.
Supped yesternight with the Queen of Hungary. She praised the hounds and greyhounds, and said that, upon seeing proof of them, the Emperor would needs have the half from her. She asked if Henry delighted in hawks; and, being told yes, said that she would send some of the best she had.
Enclose copy of the articles delivered by Skore, yesternight, partly for redress of particular suits (which shall be answered as in the Diet) and partly for more favour in England to the Emperor's subjects here. Think that Skore, who rules here under the Queen, therein demands more than he expects to get. Grandvela and Prate, at last communication, requested that subjects of these parts might be shown more favour in England considering the great privileges of Henry's subjects here; and they alleged divers exactions of late years, and that the conclusion taken at the late Diet, to enquire into the antiquity of these and abolish such as might not stand with the treaties, was not executed. Gave them no hope of any article being conceived therein; but suggest that to moderate by an article some payments which do not profit the King himself may satisfy them.
The Emperor removed today towards Andwarpe. The French ambassadors go also; and yet the Chancellor of France told Gardiner that if the having of Boloigne were desperate they would straightway depart, and Gardiner made it as desperate as he could. Such personages follow the Emperor for no small causes; for in matters with Henry they seem to have more trust by the Protestants. Italians say that they treat a marriage and restitution of Piemont without the strongholds. The Chancellor told Gardiner that he has the post returned from the French king within 27 hours; so that they are not following in expectation of an answer. Now, to restore Pyemont or give up Myllayn in contemplation of a marriage with the French king's daughter would be to the Emperor's commodity, and a cause for him to send to the French king as a wooer of a wife for his son,—unless it be that the French king thinks thereby to recover Bolen, and tempers his proceedings so that if he may obtain Bolen otherwise he will wax colder. Having failed to win Bolen, he now seeks to recover it by practices, not expressly to obtain promise of the Emperor's help (for then the Emperor's Council would not have "spoken so specially in it") but in order that, all matters with the Emperor ended, he may environ it with fortresses, and so discourage Henry or his successors to keep it without profit.
Describe how, this morning, the secretary of the Duke of Ferrare insinuated himself to Gardiner and said that it were better for Henry to treat with the French king apart, for the bishop of Rome had, by his nuncio, made great offers to move the Emperor not to make peace between the Kings. This secretary is noted to be of the French faction, and has been here a fortnight without seeing Gardiner; and his tale supports what Alexander, the Cardinal of Ferrare's servant, said of a meeting between the Admiral and Gardiner. Harping on the string that the matter should not be treated before the Emperor's Council, they must either be unwilling to have all that has passed between Henry and them known, lest by the way something might be spoken "which were not pleasant to hear again, or whereof they have told the contrary; 'or else they foresee that if they failed to keep a peace concluded by the Emperor's mediation he might take it as a breach of their bond to stand to his mediation; or else that, in case Henry refuse the Emperor's meddling, they may "more easily conduce their things with him." For they might do themselves what they persuade Henry to do; or, by offering acceptable conditions, conclude the matter at Calais. The Chancellor asserted that no better conditions would be offered there than here, and yet they would not have the matter treated here; and now we note that they arrived on the Saturday (fn. 1) and spoke not with us until the Tuesday night, (fn. 2) and when we would have fished out of Bayarde whether the delay proceeded from the Emperor he said it was because they thought shortly to do with us if we agreed to render Boloigne, "and otherwise they might not meddle."
Yesterday afternoon Gardiner sent the Chancellor of France "a book wherein he might see the article of qualification of the comprehension of the Scots," which indeed confounds the French pretence as to betraying or abandoning their friends. The messenger showed it him in a book that he might "see it was not written a post." He said "it was somewhat," and that he would like to see the whole original. Here they say that the absence of Skepperus hinders Henry's matters with the Emperor. If he come before Thursday (fn. 3) he will be soon enough, and the writers beg Henry not to look for letters from them until then. Bruges, 16 Nov. Signed.
In Gardiner's hand, pp. 6. Add. Endd.: 1545.
R. O.2. "Sacrama Cesarea Matas subsequentes arlos tractatui cum seremo Anglie Rege novissime celebrato adjici et inseri cupit," viz., five articles (recited) to give the Emperor's subjects in England privileges as enjoyed by English merchants in these provinces, to abolish scavage and ballivage, and to give merchants of these regions the right to sell freely in English ports.
Lat., p. 1. Endd.: Certen articles exhibited to my lord of Winchester, etc., by th'Emperour's Counsell.
16 Nov.803. Gardiner to Paget.
R. O.In our common letters to the King we touch upon the doings here. The King sent me recommendations by my servant Olyver, adding that I had ado with men of subtle wit and he durst let me slip; and yet "I stand amazed after which deer to run." The Emperor's Council seem beginning "to enter somewhat to the purpose"; and the Frenchmen will leave no stone unturned to have Bolen, supplicating the Emperor with this solemn ambassade "to join themself nearer to him."
Yesterday came Mons. Vander with letters (herewith) from Mr. Fane and others. Procured a safeconduct for Riffenbredge. This gentleman will convey it, but doubts his coming. He told me that this matter was "mayned" by the Lansgrave undoubtedly. "Now if the Lansgrave would ask a camp for his trial, as Riffenberge doth a safeconduct for his justification, he shall seek his adversary, for I do not defame him, and Monsr. de Prate is too old to fight with him." Yesternight, at supper with the Queen, Mons. de Prate told me "how the Lansgrave hath Bronswike in his hands upon a trust, and lamented unto me dissolutam fere societatem humanam, violata et contempta fide. Mons. de Prate is notably well learned and not superstitiously learned."
Skepperus is arrived and has sent to come speak with me, and I tarry to know what he will say because he spoke with the Emperor this morning. "This makes the tenth letter from Brucel; and ye have written but one, but it was sweet." For haste we keep no copies of our letters. Pray obtain for us absolute instructions, not for Bolen and French matters, which "I look to leave to you at Calays," but for other matters here.
Skepperus has been with me and is commanded to be at And werpe. He thinks our matters will do well, and that if we have not a peace we shall have a truce. He suggested for a peace that we should keep Bolen and make the river the frontier, leaving the French king with his new Bolen and the other side while we keep the country from Bolen to Calais. He told me that Grandvela asked how the King spoke of him now, and he answered, well. But this he desires kept secret. Skepper told me that the Duke of Brunswike was betrayed. A gentleman of good house is appointed to accompany us to Andwerp. Remember that these two days following we cannot have any occasion to write.
P.S.—Bernardin has just told my lord of Westminster that undoubtedly Cardinal Farnese comes to the Emperor through France. Bruges, 16 Nov., at night.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. Endd.: 1545.
16 Nov.804. Claes Taphoren to Lord Cobham.
Harl MS.
288, f. 53.
B M,
If the King our master wants any German horsemen he may be pleased to engage the bearer, named Jehan Bicque, who is a good gentleman and has served his Majesty. Antwerp, 16 Nov. 1545. Signed.
French, p. 1. Add.: A Monsr. Monseigneur le Debitys de Cales. Sealed.
16 Nov.805. Charles V. to St. Mauris.
Spanish
Calendar,
viii., No. 169.
Thanks for reports as to the mission of the Admiral and Chancellor, negociations with England, and suggested marriage with Madame Margaret. The French plenipotentiaries arrived on the 7th; and he has been in conference with them and Winchester and the other English envoys daily. But the French demand the immediate cession of Boulogne and offer England the arrears of pension and 100,000 soldi for the works executed by the English in Boulogne, and if necessary a further sum, up to 50,000, at the Emperor's discretion; whereas the English will either retain Boulogne or have territory for it elsewhere. Their utmost concession will probably be to surrender Boulogne after all the arrears are paid on condition that the French continue to pay the life pension of 100,000 soldi and after the King's death the perpetual pension of 50,000 soldi. Can only wait the return of the ambassador. Perhaps it will be best to negociate a truce first. The Protestants who intervened are said to have held out hope that Boulogne would be restored and Scotland included. Winchester and the other envoys swear roundly that their master and his servants never hinted at such a thing. St. Mauris must avoid all appearance of knowing about these Protestant negociations. The French offer to fulfil the treaty of Crêpy, and press for the marriage of the Emperor's son with Madame Margaret. Insists that the Duke of Savoy should be restored to his possessions, Hesdin surrendered for an indemnity, and the Emperor's subjects reinstated in property of which they have been deprived. Bruges, 16 Nov. 1545.
16 Nov.806. Verallo and Dandino to Cardinal Farnese.
R. O.Describe at length how the negociations between the Emperor and France have been apparently broken off by the absolute refusal of Francis to give up what he holds of Piedmont and Savoy. The friend (fn. 4) infers from words of the Admiral that these French ministers may leave for France tomorrow, when the Emperor will go to Antwerp, but cannot tell until tomorrow whether their departure will be final. If the French depart, the English will do the same without any conclusion of peace. Of the truce the French make no great account, saying that they can always have it, because, the king of England holding Boulogne and having as it were quite disarmed, they know that he will always willingly make truce.
Kept until the 16th:—The French ministers go to Antwerp, which is a sign that the practice is not altogether excluded.
Ital. Modern transcript from Rome, pp. 5. Headed: Mons. Verallo e Dandino, xv di 9 bre 1545.
16 Nov.807. Harvel to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., x. 687.
This instant, at two hours of the night, three brigantines are arrived from Ragosa, respectively to the Signory, the Emperor's ambassador and the French agent, and it is said that the truce with the Turk is concluded for five years and that the Imperial and French ambassadors return through Hungary. Will tomorrow know particulars from the Signory. Venice, 16 Nov. 1545.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.
17 Nov.808. The Judges.
Increase of salary. See Grants in November, No. 40.
17 Nov.809. The Privy Council.
Dasent's
A.P.C., 271.
Meeting at Oteland, 17 Nov. Present: Canterbury, Chancellor, Hertford, Essex, Cheyney, Browne, Wingfield, Paget, Petre, Riche, Baker. Business:—Letters addressed to Deputy of Calais with safeconduct for ambassadors of France repairing to Ardre (names and number of train to be inserted when reported by the ambassadors of the Protestants); "and, thereupon demanding a like for the bishop of Duresme, Sir William Paget and Mr. Tregonnel with 50 persons in their company, to address it by a trumpet, and to take order that none of the garrison should interrupt them; in which part other letters were written to the lieutenant at Boloyne." Mich. Davy had warrant to pay 5l. to Thos. Commaunder for journey with letters to the ambassadors with the Emperor.
810. The Protestant Mediation.
R. O.Instructions to Tunstall and Paget.
St. P., x. 688.Being informed, from Calais, by the commissioners lately sent hither from the Protestant Princes to treat for a peace or truce with France, that the French king desires it and (now sending commissioners to Ardre) desires them to induce the King to do the like, he sends Tunstall and Paget to Calais. After learning from the commissioners of the Protestants somewhat of the intent of the French commissaries they shall induce the said Protestants to move them to speak with the said French commissaries, appointing Calais or Guisnes for the meeting. If the French will accept neither, but contend to have the meeting at Ardre first, some indifferent place upon the frontiers shall be chosen for the first meeting; and the second and future meetings to be at Guisnes or Calais, or else alternately at one of these places and Ardre. And, first, they shall give their adversaries leave to broach the matter of peace and, having heard what they offer, "gently refell such part thereof" as is contrary to the King's determination; and, if asked to make demands, shall "require the pension and the arrearages, with good and substantial hostages for the assured payment hereafter," and the peaceful enjoyment of Bulloyn and the Bullonoys. If the French mislike the demand and insist upon Bulloyn, they are to be, both openly and privately, persuaded to leave that fantasy and come to other overtures; and, if they still insist, are to be told roundly that they have to deal with a prince who will not be ordered at the will of any other prince; and then, with a sober account of "the doing of both their forces this last year," they are to be induced to broach the alternative of a truce. This truce must be "merchand et communicative for-––––(blank), and neither prince to fortify; the country to be debateable without manuring of either prince; the French king not to begin any new fortifications in the county of Guisnes"; and within 10 days of its publication at Calleys, Guysnes, Bulloyn, Dover, Eye, London, Hampton and Plymmouth, and at Ardre, Mustrell, Abevill, Ameyens, Parys, Rone, Diepe, Brest, Rochell and Burdeux, all hostilities to cease, and spoils made afterwards to be restored, —the time of the said publications being fixed by the commissioners.
If the French commissioners suggest comprehension of the Scots, they shall be answered that the King sees no cause for that comprehension, as the Scots are not a party to the quarrel, and the King was at war with them a good while before; and therefore the French king must be content to leave them out of this treaty as out his last treaty with the Emperor.
Draft, pp. 7. Endd.: My lord of Duresme, Mr. Paget and Mr. Tregonwelles instructions.
R. O.2. Earlier draft of the above in Paget's hand.
Pp. 5. Endd.: A copie of the bishop of Duresme and Mr. Secretary Mr. Pagetes instructions, sent to Callys,—Novembris 1545.
17 Nov.811. The Privy Council to Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne.
R. O.The King having yesternight, after receipt and answer of their letters of the 11th and 12th inst., received those of the 14th, taking their proceedings thankfully, answers that, albeit the treaty with the Emperor wherein they are now entered with the Emperor's commissioners is not altogether framed as we here would wish, yet he "savoryth metely the grosse and platt of the matter," as specified in the articles received from them, which his Highness has "explayned." He likes their considerations for having this passage "now in hand for th'esclarissment of the treatye" added to it as a capitulation for the interpretation of certain articles in the treaty; and prays them so to couch the proeme, and provide also that by this new addition no part of the treaty be derogated, but only the future interpretation of it set forth. Having noted their articles with the annotations in the margin, (fn. 5) he agrees that 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 16 and 17 should remain as they are and be understanden (without cavillation or interpretation by civil law, common law or otherwise) after their literal or grammatical sense. Albeit 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23, as things past, were heretofore thought meet to be left out, they must now remain, as their omission would indicate a new making of the treaty.
Where the Emperor's commissioners say that the 24th article depends upon the articles which were, at first communication, thought meet to be left out, and serves only for the time of the invasion, it is not likely to have been so meant unless it be granted that after the common invasion the common hostility against France should have ceased, and that quoties signifies, not as often as or whensoever, but, during the time of the common invasion. In the 23rd article they that penned the treaty have been bold upon quoties, which must there be taken, improperly, for quando or quo tempore; but in this the correlative tocies amply declares what was meant; and the effect of that article is one of the points for which we esteem their amity, and is a point to be won. If they allege the ill handling of their subjects, you must at least procure that the King may buy, for any purpose, carts and mares within the Emperor's dominions, and have the rest of the liberties expressed in the said article.
As to the four articles 6, 7, 13 and 14, now to receive a new interpretation, the King likes your articulation of the 6th, save that he would wish Bulloyn, which "we trust shall remain to him and his posterity," included for defence, or else a capitulation made that hereafter, when in his peaceful possession, it may be included with the other places (of which in the book you must leave none out, as you have done in your letter to the King). Where they would have "invasion" not to be understood of a "skeg" of 100 or 200 men, but to require a form of an army, albeit that interpretation is to the King's benefit, since the Emperor's countries are surrounded by land, still, he thinks that invasion should be understood if 500 or, if they will, 1,000 invade by land, or assail upon the sea, or land from ships at any of the places mentioned (comprising Bulloyn if you can); and that, for proof of such invasion, giving of aid, &c, the signed letter of the prince pretending it shall be credited.
As to the 7th article, touching aid to be given upon invasion with 10,000; albeit the prince's letter is meet to be credited, yet, as the doubt has heretofore been upon the manner rather than the number, as an enemy may come with 40,000 to the frontier and not send in above 9,000, the King thinks that the words which you have added to put in the new capitulation, should run thus:—"quantum ad auxilii requisitionem et prestationem pertinet, non solum pro invadentibus habeantur qui per terram sive per mare cum numero decem milium armatorum intra fines regni, terrarum, etc., expressed in the treaty, wherein you must do what you can for Bullyn, sed etiam qui, fines alterutris principum accedentes cum predicto numero, aliquos ad depredandum sive depopulandum immiserint, reliquo exercitu ad receptum eorum qui sunt immissi consistente extra terras principis invasi, et quod credatur principi petenti auxilium de numero, sive invadentium intra limites, etc., sive accedentes ad lymites, etc."
The putting out of the proeme in the 13th article, and the framing of that article, and your addition to the 14th article, the King likes well enough, save that he would put the first part more plainly thus:—"et quod neuter princeps, eorumve successores, utetur aut admittet sive probabit aliquod privilegium, causam, allegacionem aut pretextum sive colorem ut ab observacione juramenti et prestacione presentis foederis liberetur aut aliquo modo absolvetur." Of the rest of the addition whereat they stick he only wishes these words (but not absolutely):—" sed sinant atque permittant alter alteri regna, dominia et subditos, cuique suos suo arbitratu regere et moderare." Why they should stick at this or anything else proponed by you we see not, unless they say that, because we are in war, the first fruits are like to come to us; to which we answer True, but they are not unlike for our one benefit in this case to have three at our hand hereafter.
For the observance of the treaty you are to require the obligation of the states and towns, or at least of the states, agreeing (if they ask it) for the reciproque from us. Also you must not forget the aid already due; and, if you cannot get all, get as much as you can.
P.S.—You must bargain to have the obligations of the states and towns delivered by a certain time. By states the King means the noblemen and countries named for defence. The words in "the lines above underlined, concerning th'addition to the xiiijth article" you may leave out, after sticking somewhat in them, as if to do them pleasure and thereby to win some other point from them. Speak for the discharge of our merchants in Spain, "who, contrary to that which was convented cannot be put to liberty upon caution." The French King's letter whereof you desire a copy we cannot find. My lord of Duresme and Mr. Godsalve say that the obligation of 450,000 cr. "was re-delivered in at Compaigne when you were there present yourself." Your lordships may work there that private suits may hereafter be remitted to the ordinary courts.
Draft in Payet's hand, pp. 8. Endd.: M. to my lords of Winton and Westm., etc., xvijo Novembris 1545.
17 Nov.812. Otwell Johnson to Sabyne Johnson.
R. O.London, 17 Nov. 1545:—By bearer Wm. "Wit. . , I have received the load of wool, having before received your letter by one of your woolwinders mentioning receipt of the 40l. that I sent by Ric. Preston, and am sorry that my writing therewith did so much offend Mr. Harrysone and you, albeit it grieves you nothing that I should be angry (as you think) for your hasty sending for the money. Writes banteringly on the subject and Harryson's sending to Mr. Lawe for a butt of sack.
Hol., mutilated, p. 1. Add.: At Glapthorne.
17 Nov.813. [Anthony Bouchier] to [the Dean and Chapter of Gloucester.]
R. O.As you have required my brother Wm. Mychel, executor of his late brother Edw. Mychell, clerk, treasurer of the King's newly erected cathedral of Gloucester [whereof the King appointed you to the rooms wherein ye now minister] (fn. 6) to yield his account; I, considering that my brother is not very expert in reckonings and complains of unjust cavillations laid against him, desire you to stay the determination of his account until I (now occupied in serving the King and the Queen) repair to you at Gloucester, on Saturday next; when I shall be glad to hear what you can allege, and he will be ready to answer. Trusts that, for their amity to their late brother and fellow, they will offer no wrong, "knowing that the judge and revenger of all secret wrongs is that Lord who seeth in secret, and the revenger of open wrongs is the just law of the King's Majesty, whereunto the true man trusteth if he be driven to that extremity." Barkley, 17 Nov. 37 Hen. VIII.
Corrected draft, pp. 2.
18 Nov.814. The Privy Council.
Dasent's
A. P. C., 271.
Meeting at Otelande, 18 Nov. Present: St. John, Cheyney, Browne, Petre. Business:—Upon information of murder of John More of the Guard by Wm. Cole of Gloucestershire, letters were written to the sheriff to send up Cole. John Barley, deputy of Walmer castle, complaining of interruption by Wm. Blechenden, his captain, and John Barrowe and Henry Griffyn, gunners there, complaining that they are thrust out, letters were written to Blechenden for their continuance.
*** Next entry is 22 Nov.
18 Nov.815. Otwell Johnson to John Johnson.
R. O.London, 18 Nov. 1545:—Sale of wool and other business and domestic matters, in which the writer mentions B[arth.] W[arner] and his (the writer's) approaching marriage, John Baseden, Patenden, Sugar, Hoeth, Mr. Appenrith, your wife, and Mr. Harryson. For the decree against you in Chancery there is no remedy but to sue Artewyke for recovery of "your fine to him given and your costs," wherein my cousin Bretein has got a writ of latitat out of the King's Bench against him. Henry Johnsone, my boy, is dead; and, doubting whether it be the plague, I have resorted to my brother Gery's house. Pray let Thos. Barwell be secretly certified thereof, that he make not his wife privy to it too rashly. You may show him that it was the plague, lest his wife think him "cast away for lacking of looking unto, which I take God to judge was not so, for he died in mine arms, Our Lord have his soul and all Christian."
Hol., pp. 9. Add.: at Callis. Endd.: aunsweryd from Callis le 2 in December, etc.
18 Nov.816. Duke of Lauenburg to Henry VIII.
See No. 832.
19 Nov.817. Otwell Johnson to John Johnson.
R. O.London, 19 Nov. 1545:—The writer's debt to Henry Garbrant. Of the death of his boy he now writes to Thomas Barewell, the boy's "father in law" (i.e. step-father).
Hol., p. 1. Add.: at Calleis. Endd., aunsweryd at Callays le 24 of the same etc.
[19] Nov.818. Paget to Petre.
R. O.Coming here about 3 o'clock this afternoon I found this letter from Sleydanus, which please show to the King. At the writing of it my lord of Durham was not arrived at Calais, as he probably was soon after, having that day a fair passage. Found here Francisco with the safeconduct and the rest of the despatch to Calais, who has twice been on the seas and turned back. Comander is with him, with the letters to my lord of Winchester. The weather is so foul that no man dare venture a passage: but I will do my best for the despatch over of Francisco and myself, which is not likely to be tomorrow if this weather hold. "Dover, at viijth of the night 1545."
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.:—Novembris 1545.
19 Nov.819. Deputy and Council of Ireland to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., iii. 541.
On 17 Nov. Lenoux and Ormonde left the port of Dublin with 2,000 men, of whom were 50 half hakes and 50 archers of the retinue, 400 galloglas and 1,500 kerne, whereof 250 are gunners. They had a good wind, and should be by this time upon the coast of Scotland. Enclose schedule of their ships and victuals. The ships prested in Chester and Bewmarres and those of Waterford only arrived 8 or 10 days since, and cask could not be had nor beer be brewed sooner; besides, the haven here is evil and there lack men of experience. This 200 years so many men were not embarked and victualled here for so long time. Lenoux's servant Patrick Colwhyn, who was despatched to the Isles of Scotland, has neither returned nor sent word. Suppose that he is restrained, and have no sure hope that the men of the Isles will join the said earls. Not past two days before their departure, five or six big ships, thought to be Frenchmen, passed northwards, whom the earls were determined to adventure upon if met with, their intention being to try to attain Dunbretane castle or, failing that, to land in Argyle's country. Besides the 2,000 men, they have 300 mariners to keep the ships. This realm is as quiet as such a land may be; and, considering the King's great affairs, the writers are glad to keep it so without attempting new enterprises. Having now employed the whole of his munition here, they beg that some store may be sent for future use. Dublin, 19 Nov., 1545. Signed by St. Leger, Dublin, Brabazon, Lutrell, Bathe and Echingham.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
R. O.
St. P .,iii. 54l.
2. The schedule above referred to, headed "1545," giving (1) the names and tonnage of the ships now advanced into Scotland with Lenoux, (2) the amount of every kind of victuals carried by them, (3) a list of the King's ordnance and munition in them, over and above their own furniture, and (4) a list of the munitions which the Council desire to be "sent hither." The ships armed for war are the Katheryn Goodman, Gabriell, Christopher, Pynace and Shalop of Chester (the last sent 6 weeks before with Patrick Colwhyn and Lenoux's letters to the lord of the Owt Isles, and not yet returned); the Katheryn Sumpter of Bewmarrez; Robt. Sentleger's ship and pinnace, John Parker's (constable of Dublin castle) called the Peter, and the Trinity of Dublin; and the James, Christopher, Nicholas, Mary Trinity and Portingall of Waterford. The other vessels not so armed are the Saviour and Tanderey of Mynet; the Mary of Bridgewater; the Mary of Mylforde; the Nicholas of Penbroke; and the Mary White, Saviour, Jesus, and Sonday of Wexford. Signed by St. Leger, Dublin, Brabazon, Lutrell, Bathe and Echingham.
Pp. 3.
19 Nov.820. John Johnson to his Wife, Sabyne Johnson.
R. O.Callais, 19 Nov. 1545:—Sends her and her two daughters God's blessing. In the matter of writing letters she is now in his debt. As to keeping himself well, he is in (rod's hands, and should her prayer, that if but one man in the world should be kept alive he might be that man, come to pass, she would lose her husband, for then the women of this town would keep him perforce. Desires her to appoint his horse to meet him at London on 15 Dec.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: at Glapthorne.
19 Nov.821. Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne to Henry VIII.
R. O.Arrived here yesternight, and this morning signified to Grandvela their desire to speak with him now that Skepperus was come. He replied that Prate and Score were not come, "but, yet, we should meet at afternoon." Immediately afterwards came a message from the Chancellor of France desiring to speak with them at some church, and they appointed 1 o'clock after dinner at a church behind their lodging, and signified this to Grandvela, so as not to disappoint the time of meeting him. He answered that if Score were come they would repair to the writers' lodging at 4 p.m. At their going forth to meet the Chancellor a message came from Skepperus that he would gladly accompany them. Thanked him for his offer, and said that he need not "take that pain now." At the church the Chancellor received them with great familiarity, and drawing Gardiner aside told how Henry had sent the earl of Harford to Calais, and he thought that meanwhile there should be a cessation of arms. Gardiner desired that his colleagues might also hear, and the Chancellor, with difficulty, consented, and, when they were assembled, repeated what he had said about cessation of arms, but did not "require it." Gardiner found means to bring in the effect of their communication alone before, which was written in letters of the 15th inst., and, after much communication the Chancellor resolved that his master would have Bolen and comprehend the Scots, adding that in his judgment it were more honorable to leave Bolen than the Scots; for Bolen was lost by fortune, but the Scots should so be betrayed. Reminded of the qualification of the Scots' comprehension heretofore, he was colder and said that if he saw the original he would signify it home, but would give no opinion unless he saw the original. We then reasoned of Pomeray's treaty and the justness of the war. He desired that it might neither be called just nor unjust; for if just, the French must let us have Bolen, pay all our debts and recompense our charges, and if unjust we should render Bolen, ose all that is due and pay all charges; and he said that we should not touch that string, and we that, to avoid certain points, he has nothing to say but that the war was unjust and therefore we must needs touch whatever might serve. Where he alleged your breach of the treaty in not giving aid, we told him that these allegations to avoid the treaty make us fear the observation of any treaty with them. He returned to Bolen, saying that if you would leave it, they would devise of great sums of money for it, greater payments at its delivery and shorter days for the rest. Told him the tale of the gentleman who claimed a mill and, in an assembly of friends, offered to put the matter to any arbitrator "so he had the mill, but the mill he would have." The Chancellor laughed and began to compare to whom Bolen was most commodious, saying it was but a superfluous charge to you. We told him of divers "commodities durable "and thought that your garrison at Bolen was "so agarryed and thoroughly altred with warre" that it was as cheap to entertain them there as to maintain them at home. He confessed that they had many of that sort; and said "that he saw the peace by this mean desperate. We told him that, so long as either prince maintaineth the contradictory extremity, we ministers can do nothing but be sorry." He then said that what could not be done here might be done elsewhere, if you would send me, Winchester, to any other place: our matters need not be treated here. "We told him how they had procured the treating of them here," and had some altercation and a rehearsal of Card. Bellaye's saying last year that the French king would needs send to the Emperor. "'Yea,' quoth the Chancellor, 'but I say now.' We told him your Highness moved it not, but it was signified how they would send commission. 'Indeed,' quoth the Chancellor, 'being sent hither for other matters, we were content also to speak of this and brought commission therefore; and I would,' quoth he, 'we could make an end.'" We reasoned that the Emperor might by his treaty compel them to observe such covenants as they should agree on, and also to cease from the war and satisfy your Highness; which the Chancellor denied, but, in reasoning of the text, seemed to leave the matter doubtful. Finally he spoke of the honour you should have by restoring Bolen and being the author of peace, and said that the French king cannot leave Bolen without "hownte," and must also comprehend the Scots; and so he desired us to signify to them what we should hear from your Highness. Although we had communed very familiarly, with "intermission" of mirth, he departed "omitting such friendly fashion as is accustomed."
At the writing of this, Skepperus came to me, Winchester, to excuse Grandvela's coming because of the absence of Prate and Skorye, and asked what forwardness we found in the Frenchmen. I told him that they would fain woo us to peace and would omit nothing to attain it; and therefore desired him to help that our things might proceed here, "for, I said, it was necessary." And I told him that part of our disputation, to declare how the Emperor, by the treaty, might compel them to observe such covenant as they should make with you,—because it seemed meet to be put into the heads of the Emperor's Council, that they may make you amends if they will. Our secret communication with the French ambassador is somewhat suspected, yet I have shown Skepperus that nothing is done, but that the Frenchmen will use all means for peace, and therefore they should accelerate our things. Which Skepperus said he would." Antwerpe, 19 Nov. Signed.
In Gardiner's hand, pp. 7. Add. Endd.: 1545.
19 Nov.822. Gardiner to Paget.
R. O.I had never a worse journey than yesterday, but would not but be here as soon as the Emperor, that they might not delay upon pretence of our absence. I like not the French ambassadors' desire to talk with me alone. Such secrecies are suspect. It is here said that you are come to Calais. We have now received but one letter for eleven. Tomorrow, upon communication with Grandvela, we will despatch again. The French ambassadors say that the Emperor will depart on Monday (fn. 7) and so will they; and therefore this matter of peace is like to devolve to you. Skepperus says that the French ambassadors communed with the Emperor of the restitution of Piemont, but nothing is done, and that they wish the Emperor to enter war against the Germans, "and then will they use their commodity." Antwerp, 19 Nov.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd.: 1545.
19 Nov.823. Andrea Doria to Prince Philip.
Spanish
Calendar,
viii., No. 170.
By last advices, of the 31st ult., the Emperor was well and endeavouring to make peace between France and England. The Landgrave raised troops for England and then employed them to deprive the Duke of Brunswick, and has taken him and his son prisoners. Genoa, 19 Nov. 1545.
20 Nov.824. Sir Richard Cromwell.
Add. MS.
34,393, f. 7
B. M.
"An inventory of the goods late Sir Ric. Crumwelles, knight."
Detailed account, made 20 Nov. 37 Hen. VIII., by the executors of Sir Ric. Cromwell, of the legacies they have given (to lady Dennyce and lord Gregory Crumwell), and of the goods, sold or remaining unsold, at Stepneyth and London, and at Ramsey, Bigging and Hinchingbroke; with the values. Goods are sold to Mr. Dennyce and my lady, Sir Edw. North, Mr. Herbert, Mr. Cooke, Mr. Hobye, Mr. Gabriel Donne, Mr. Honynges, lady Doglas, Mr. Doctor Buttes, Mr. Tonye, Mr. Aylworth, Mr. Bacon, Mr. Darcey, Mr. Judde, and many others.
ii. Debts owing to Sir Ric. Crumwell, dec.
Particulars of debts due.—From Mr. Cradock; Howcll Upthomas; Hopkin Thomas; Mr. Haukins (fee of the stewardships of Pyrgoo, Sandfordes Ryvers and Navestock); Sir John Horsey; lord Ferrers' son; my lord of Surrey; John Palmer of Estferleigh, Kent, and Fras Whafferer, of London; Edm. Wryght who married lady Salbyn; John Sympson, late abbot of Durford; Mr. Barmeston of the Court; Peter Colleyn of Greenwich (for coal sold to him at Bulleyn); Mr. Rogers, surveyor at Bulleyn (coal remaining there); money laid out at the dissolution of St. Ellyns by authority of the Commissioners, as appears by Mr. Chancellor's book; mem. that Edm. Lentall received of Mr. Crumwell, by the hands of John Aylleworth, 60l. for Sir George Carew; bond of 12 Feb ao 25 by John Prowsse of Rye; bond of 28 Oct. ao 26 by Dominic Clerk and John Jervys, of Chilmerke, Wilts; John Hordyman, provincial of the late Friars Austins; bond of Wm. Bowell, of Flytcham, Norf.; letter from Wm. Basing, late prior of St. Swithun's, acknowledging debt of 100l.; Thos. Block and Nic. Ardern; Ric. Grene, late abbot of Billesden, bond of Chr. Turburfill; bonds of Sir John Dudley of Dudley, Staff., John abbot of Tewkesbury, Geo. Cotton and Sir John Williams' son and heir.
Large paper, pp. 78. In vellum cover with title as above.
Add. MS.
34,383, f. 1.
B. M.
2. Will of Sir Ric. Williams alias Crumwell, the date lost. Bequests are made to the King, lord Crumwell, Sir John Williams, Sir Edw. North, lady Denys wife to Sir Thos. Denys, and many others.
Contemporary copy. Large paper, pp. 9. Mutilated.
20 Nov.825. Astley College.
R. O.Surrender by the dean and chapter of the college of St. Mary of Asteley, Warw., of the said College with all its possessions in Asteley, Hylmorton, Mylverton, Willoughby and Wolveastley, Warw., and elsewhere. Dated 20 Nov. 37 Hen. VIII. Signed by Robt. Brocke, Wm. Baker and Robt. Whetley. Common seal appended.
Note by Sir Edw. North that this was acknowledged before him, 21 Nov. 37 Hen. VIII.
Parchment. See Eighth Report of Dep. Keeper of Public Records, App. ii., 7.
20 Nov.826. The Privy Council to Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne.
R. O.The King has seen their letters of the 15th and 16th inst., and thanks Gardiner for circumspect dealing with the Chancellor of France as described in the first. Upon opportunity ministered by the French he may eftsoons confer with the Chancellor or any other of the French ambassadors, not doubting but that, as he writes to Secretary Paget, he will, if the French seek only to make the Emperor suspicious, frustrate their device. Where the Chancellor disclosed, as he said, the bottom of his commission as to have Bulloyn rendered and the Scots comprehended; the Council's late letters showed the King's resolution to keep Bulloyn, to the perpetual renown of his conquest and the great commodity of this realm, and Gardiner has well answered by reminding the French of their qualification in former treaties of the comprehension of the Scots. As the Chancellor seemed to think that no such qualification had passed, the King has commanded a notarial copy of the treaty to be sent, to be shown, if further occasion arise, to the Chancellor, or the Emperor's Council, in proof that "this strait amity with the Scots is not such, nor so ancient, as they now make it, or else that they did the Scots wrong in the making of that treaty, which thing his Majesty thinketh they will not confess, in respect of their Master's honor." The comprehension may as well be qualified now. With the letters of the 16th, the King saw the articles delivered by President Scorye to be added to the "esclarisshment" of the treaty, and answers that, as Thirlby and Carne were continually at the late Diet, where the same articles were talked of, he forbears to send further instruction, saving that he "thinketh it not expedient to have any of these articles, which touch matters of th'intercourse, to be annexed to this treaty," in which are already enough articles. These matters touching general griefs may be ordered by the old treaties of intercourse; and it may be promised that if any exaction has been lately raised here upon the Emperor's subjects other than those treaties will bear it shall be reformed, "trusting that th'Emperor will do the semblable in those men imposing of one in the hundred, the impost for beer, wine, houses, and such other things as were spoken of and not answered by them in the said late Diet at Burbarough." And yet, if they proceed frankly, the King will not stick to gratify them with relief of things newly taken of the Emperor's subjects by searchers, customers, &c., whereof he has "no commodity."
Draft in Petre's hand, pp. 4. Endd: "M. to my lordes of Win ton and Westm., etc., xxo Novembris, 1545."
20 Nov.827. Paget to the Council.
R. O.Encloses a billet of the charge for transportation of the strangers that came lately out of the North, which Mr. Gressam and Mr. Wyngfeld delivered, saying that the Flemings lie still here and will not depart until paid. "My passage is now in disputation amongst the doctors of the sea, some holding opinion one way and some another. As they determine I go within this hour or tarry till tomorrow this time." Dover, 20 Nov. 6 a.m. 1545.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd. Also endorsed: At Caunterberre at vij. a cloke at nyght.
R.O2. [The billet above referred to]
"The transportation of such strangers as came from Scotland, transported at Dover from the 5th of November till the 13th of the same."
Amounts due to Ric. Bacheler, Ant. Parke, James Frese, and eighteen others (mostly Flemings) for transport of numbers, between 13 and 37, of horses and men at 3s. 4d. apiece. "To Thomas Watson for carrying Peter de Villa Fama and his horses, by Mr. Secretary's letter to pass in haste, 40s." To the porters of Dover for shipping of 24 ships at 12d., 24s. To one to fetch out the hoys and to haste them out of the haven of Calese, 13s. 4d. Total, 92l. 12s. 8d.
Pp. 2.
20 Nov.828. Paget to Petre.
R. O.Has just arrived here, about 11 o'clock, as sea sick as ever man was. The Deputy had bidden the ambassadors of the Protestants to dinner; but his "sea stomach" will not suffer him to keep them company. Calays, 20 Nov. 1545. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd.
20 Nov.829. Surrey to Paget.
R. O.
Nott's
Howard, 180.
Begs leave, amid his weighty affairs, to trouble him with an earnest suit, Mr. Treasurer of Guysnes being deceased, that T. Shelley, once the writer's servant and now a captain in this town, may be recommended for that office. Mr. Palmer can instruct him of the man's ability, of whose truth and honesty the writer dare promise more than of "any such man" alive. Bolloyn, 20 Nov.
Hol., p.1. Add.: at Callays. Endd.: 1545.
20 Nov.830. Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne to Henry VIII.
R. O.Were this forenoon with the Emperor's Council, viz., Grandevela, Skore and Skepperus, the latter coming late and placing himself without ceremony. Discussed the articles desired by Skorye, and, after long reasoning, concluded that, if Henry would abolish new exactions which by the treaty should be abolished, no more could be demanded; and herein Grandevela showed himself reasonable, saying that if so, infringements here upon the privileges of Henry's subjects or the treaty of intercourse should be likewise abolished.
(fn. 8) Coming then to the "overtures of marriages," Grandvela protested the Emperor's desire for as strait alliance as possible; the Emperor could not place his daughter more honorably than with my lord Prince, but, in bargaining with Portugal for the Prince of Spain's marriage, the Emperor promised his younger daughter to the Prince of Portugal; there were, however, the King of Romaynes daughters, as goodly babes as were ever seen, and of age convenient for my lord Prince, and the Emperor would take the contract with one of them as made with his own daughter. To this, being a new overture, the writers could not answer. As to the Emperor himself Grandvela had, he said, given him many "copes de canon" to cause him to marry, especially my lady Mary, but hitherto could not induce him to marry; and the Prince of Spain had taken such a "conceit" with the death of his wife that he would not marry yet.
Grandvela then desired to proceed to the "eclarishement" of the treaty, and reasoned for abolishing the 24th article (containing how Henry, invading France, might hire the Emperor's subjects and buy munitions, &c.) as an appendix of the "special invasion of France," alleging the absurdity of binding "themself to serve your Highness before themself." The writers maintained that that was not meant; and, after many words, the matter was left "unperfite," the Emperor's Council not sticking much for armour and munition, but thinking it hard to be bound for carts, victuals and men. As to the word "invasion," in the 6th article, the writers said that Grandvela's words "fourme de armee" made the matter darker; to avoid the inconvenience of beginning war for a small matter it might be provided that, in case of any incourse, if "the prince invador will within one month satisfy the prince invaded of the hurt," the case of common enmity should cease. The French king might annoy Henry's realm with "skegges" which the Emperor would not take for invasion; but if the French king knew that he must satisfy them within the month or bring the Emperor's enmity in his neck he would have the less courage to do so; and similarly he would abstain from annoying the Low Country hereafter. Grandvela said he would think over this and send Skepperus in the evening with their device. Antwerpe, 20 Nov. Signed.
In Gardiner's hand, pp. 5. Add. Sealed. Endd.: 1545.
20 Nov.831. Gardiner to Paget.
R. O."By our common letters ye shall perceive the state of the marriages intended; wherein ye may consider whether the marriage by them offered would stand us in as good stead for our purpose as that we desired with the Emperor. You can tell what I mean." If the King thinks Bolen so necessary, remember that it is a worldly thing and "worldly things require other worldly things for their maintenance" The less a man has, the less he needs help, as I know by experience and "may write, as they do upon medicines, probatum est" They that made of me before I was bishop required me afterwards to make of them. "There was a good fellow in Cambridge, well learned, that for his pleasure maintained in communication this paradox, that increase of worldly things make men poor and not rich, because every worldly thing hath a need annexed unto it." If some in England read this they might say that then it were well to make bishops rich. Of Bolen I can affirm only as academicus; but if we keep it we must have friendship abroad. Skepperus came even now to say that they were in Council all this day for our matters, and tomorrow morning he would bring their conclusion in writing. Meanwhile we think the signification of the matter of the marriages not meet to be delayed. If the Queen's servant bring the King a present of hawks, pray remember the reward she gave my servants for the hounds. We be in great expectation to hear from you at least of the arrival of our letters. Antwerp, 20 Nov.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd.: 1545.
20 Nov. (fn. 9) 832. Francis duke of Lauenburg to Henry VIII.
R. O.Begs credence for his captains, Massow and Melcher, now sent to King, who will present their suit both by mouth and in writing. "Dat. Ratzeborch, mithuochs octavas Martini anno '45." Signed: "vonn Gots gnnaden Franntz Hertzog zw Sachssenn Enngernn unnd Westphalen"; and (in his own hand) Frantz H.z.L., manu propria.
German, pp. 2. Add. Endd.
R. O.2. Articles sent from Franntz duke of Sachssen Enngern and Westphalenn to Henry VIII. by his captains, Massow and Melcher, viz.:—1. Having, through his servant Henry Daldorff, made the King an offer of certain soldiers, as also treated with the King's commissary and envoy, and, moreover, through his Councillor, Johann Schutz, obtained a plainer answer, as intimated by the King's letters, 2, he thanks the King for writing to him; and where Claus Tapphorn promised that the commission which the count of Bueren had should be sent to John Schutz or the Duke, for further consideration, but it has not come, that may remain until the further dealings arranged for next March if the war lasts. 3, 4. Whereas the King promises him a pension of 4,000 cr., he desires first that his envoys should know the effect of Bueren's commission (and they have authority to act in that matter); but, 5, his intention was to propose 8,000 cr. 6. Whatever "batelonn" is given shall be at the King's expense and shall be truly accounted for by the Duke; but, 7, if it is found that the enemy pays his men more, the King shall also pay more. 8. If the matter is settled by negociation, the Duke shall have half pay sent him for the retention of ritmeisters and captains. 9. If the Duke's desires cannot be granted, he wishes his two commissaries sent back. 10. He commends the King to God. Dated Katzeborch, Friday after Elizabeth's Day anno '45. Sealed.
German, hol., pp. 8. Endd.. Instructions sent from the Duke of Lauenburghes, etc.
20 Nov.833. Germany.
R. O.Out of letters from Rome, sent 20 Nov. 1645.
The Emperor's secretary Markina came to Rome, through Germany, on 14 Oct, who, the day before he should speak with the Pope, staid at home wearied with riding, but next day went to Cardinal Farnese, when, however, the Pope was gone walking alia Malina. On the Wednesday the said secretary went to meet him and talked with him the whole way, and afterwards for over three hours within the palace. As far as I can learn, he said that the Emperor would in no wise have the Council transferred from Trent, and pressed for its being held as the only means of restraining the Germans, who ask for public peace, which, upon pretext of the Council being celebrated at an early date, he may promise them meanwhile; and if the Lutherans refuse this Council he will punish them by the sword, and may best do so when they have been condemned by General Council. The Emperor also moves the Pope to make more money in Germany to provide sinews for carrying on the war when it begins, and promises to perform whatever the Pope thinks fit in this cause. Thereupon a council of selected Cardinals was held at the palace of the Cardinal of Trani, and it was decided to publish the Council anew, to the end that the Lutherans, not appearing (as is presumed), may be condemned as contumacious and duly wiped out. Cardinal Fornesius is appointed legate to this expedition. If the Church revenues of Spain, which exceed 150,000 ducats, are insufficient, they will be abundantly supplemented, for the Pope will contribute liberally to this war; and lest any dispute between the Emperor and French king hinder it, he will strive for peace between them.
Lat. In Mont's hand. pp. 2. Endd.: Nova ex l'ris et Roma et Venetiis missis.

Footnotes

1 Nov. 7tb.
2 Nov. 10th.
3 Nov. 19th,
4 Friar Gusman.
5 See memoranda appended to Gardiner and Thirlby's letter of the 21 Dec.
6 Cancelled
7 Nov. 23rd.
8 The text of this paragraph is printed in St. P., X., p. 699.
9 The letter, dated Wednesday, octave of St. Martin, is of the 18th November; the articles, Friday after St. Elizabeth's Day, of the 20th.