House of Commons Journal Volume 2
15 December 1641

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 15 December 1641', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 343-344. URL: http://british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=8753 Date accessed: 20 October 2014.


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Die Mercurii, 15 Decembris.

PRAYERS.

MacCarthy's Petition.

THE humble Petition of Daniel Mac Carthy Grand child and Heir to the Earl of Clancarr in Ireland, was this Day read; and ordered to be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for Irish Affairs.

Ship Owners Claims.

The humble Petition of the Owners of the Nine Merchants Ships, lately employed in his Majesty's Service upon the Western Coast for the Guard of those Parts; and some Precedents that the Merchants Ships were hired at Thirty Days per Man for the Month; and some Cirtificates, concerning the Agreements; were read.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House is of Opinion, that the Contract with the Owners of the Merchants Ships employed this last Summer in his Majesty's Service upon the Western Coast, was at the Rate of Thirty Days by Man for the Month.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds it fit, that the Owners of the said Ships shall be paid according to the Rate aforesaid, of Thirty Days per Man for the Month.

Ordered, That the Committee formerly appointed to draw an Order for the due Payment of Monies assigned out of the Bill of Tonage and Poundage, to be paid in for the Service of the Navy, shall be brought in To-morrow Morning.

Propositions from Scotland.

Sir Philip Stapleton presents from the Commissioners of Scotland, Six Propositions in Five Papers: The which Propositions were first all read, and then one by one.

Martis, 14° Decembris. 1. AS, in our first Proposition, we made Offer of Ten thousand Men in the Name of the Kingdom of Scotland; for a farther Testimony of our Zeal to his Majesty's Service and Respect, and brotherly Affection, to the Kingdom of England, we declare, that we will, upon the Charges of the Kingdom of Scotland, levy and transport these Men; and not stand with our Brethren upon Conditions of Levy and Transport-money; which we very well know is usual in such Occasions, and could not in reason have been denied us; and which will amount to a very considerable Sum of Money.

Propositions from Scotland.

14° 2. We desire, that there may be Thirty thousand Pounds advanced to us of the Brotherly Assistance; because there are great Arrears due to our Soldiers, who will not willingly enter into a new Employment, unless they be satisfied what is resting.

3. We desire, (because we cannot unfurnish the Kingdom of Scotland of Arms, Cannon, and Ammunition) that what Proportion of any of these we send with our Army, that so many, and such a Proportion of each kind, may be presently sent into Scotland, to remain there till the Return of what we take into Ireland; which we shall give Assurance shall be restored; we retaining so much of that which shall be sent into Scotland, as shall be lost or spent of ours in the Service of Ireland.

4. We desire, that, with all Expedition, some Ships of War may be appointed to go to Lochryan, Port Patrick, or Aire, to guard and waft over our Soldiers, whom we intend, for Expedition, to transport in small Vessels; and that these Ships shall attend at the Ports in Ireland, where we land, that they may be sent over again into Scotland, to bring over to us any Necessaries left behind; and to go to and again betwixt these Coasts, to keep the Passage free for going and returning.

5. We desire, that, for every thousand Foot we send into Ireland, an Hundred Horse be in Readiness to join with them; and that these be ordered to receive Instructions and Orders, and in every thing to obey the Injunctions of our Commanders.

15° Decembris. 6. By the Instructions sent by both Houses of your Parliament to their Commissioners in Scotland, and which was sent by his Majesty from Berwick to the Council there, they did beseech his Majesty to recommend to the Parliament of Scotland, that they would take into consideration the Matter of Wages, and other Charges, as they would have done for themselves: We, in this, think we could not make particular Agreement with our Troops; but desire you would let us know, what Entertainment you give to your own Commanders and Soldiers; wherewith we shall be satisfied, and acquiesce to any Order you shall take with them; being willing to serve the Crown of England with the same Affection, and upon the same Terms, as if we were Englishmen born. Sic subscribitur; A. Fullerton.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House is concluded, by force of the Order of Saturday the 11th of December, to accept of Ten thousand Men from the Scotts, for the Service of Ireland, if they like the Conditions.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House is of Opinion to consent to this first Proposition, upon the Raising of Ten thousand Men.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Thirty thousand Pounds, part of the next Payment of the Brotherly Assistance, shall be presently raised and advanced to our Brethren the Scotts, upon the Terms of raising and transporting the Ten thousand Men aforesaid.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House is of Opinion to consent to this Third Proposition, upon the Terms of raising the Ten thousand Men as aforesaid.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth consent to this Fourth Proposition, upon the Terms aforesaid, of raising the Ten thousand Men.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this Fifth Proposition shall be referred back to our Commissioners; to treat with the Commissioners of Scotland upon a less Proportion of Horse.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth consent to this Sixth Proposition, upon the Terms of raising the Ten thousand Men as aforesaid.

Condemned Priests.

Message from the Lords, by Judge Reeves and Judge Foster;

That the Lords have agreed with this House, that the Seven Priests may be put to Execution according to the Law; and to that End have appointed Two Members of their House to acquaint his Majesty with the Opinion of both Houses; and to desire his Majesty to take off the Reprieve.

Upon the Question, whether Candles shall be brought in;

The House was divided.

Sir Jo. Clotworthy, Tellers for the Yea, 152.
Mr. Hollis,
Sir Ro. Hatton, Tellers for the Noe, 53.
Mr. Russell,

Resolved, upon the Question, That Candles shall be now brought in.

Remonstrance on State of the Kingdom.

This Question was propounded, Whether Order shall be now given for the Printing of this Remonstrance of the State of the Kingdom: And then

The Question was put, Whether this Question should be now put:

And, upon this Question,

The House was divided: And

The Yeas went forth.

Mr. Hollis, Tellers for the Yea, 135.
Sir Walth. Erle,
Sir John Colpeper, Tellers for the Noe, 83.
Mr. Ashburnham,

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Question shall be now put.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Order shall be now given for the Printing of this Remonstrance of the State of the Kingdom.

Protestation.

Ordered, That on Friday next the House shall take into Consideration the Matter of Protestation.

Treaty with Scotland.

Ordered, That To-morrow, so soon as the Lords shall be set, there shall be a Message sent unto them, to desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Treaty with the Scotts Commissioners about the Affairs of Ireland.